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Odd WN Tail Numbers Reserved With FAA  
User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1963 posts, RR: 2
Posted (2 years 12 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7360 times:

WN tail numbers are fairly easy to decipher: older planes end in "SW", newer ones end in "WN". -300s tails are numbered in the -300 and -600s. 737-700s are numbered in the -200s, -400s, 700s, and 900s.

While looking through the FAA site to see if the -800s were numbered, I noticed that WN has reserved several odd registrations such as "N8319F", "N7917A", etc...

Anyone have any insight?

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinqu...20AIRLINES&sort_option=1&PageNo=20


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User currently offlinetrigged From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 12 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7268 times:

Those used to be the old Frontier format (1960's-80's, NxxxxF). Strange. Not sure what they are planning but interesting nonetheless.

User currently offlinefcogafa From United Kingdom, joined May 2008, 799 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 12 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7196 times:

Could it just be that they are running out of the original series numbers? They have pretty well covered 1 to 999 so they need somewhere to go from there....

User currently offlinetrigged From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 12 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6915 times:

If they are going to sell planes, could they have reserved those odd numbers to re-register the outgoing aircraft so they can keep the SW suffix numbers for current aircraft?

User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6762 posts, RR: 32
Reply 4, posted (2 years 12 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6645 times:

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Thread starter):
Anyone have any insight?

My speculation is that this may be preparation for inducting the AirTran fleet or even the growth of the fleet in general. After all when they have ship numbers organized as:

retired -200's in the 000's and 100's
-300's in the 300's & 600's
-500's in the low 500's
-700's in the 200's, 400's, 700's & -900's
used -700's in the high 500's
future -800's in the 800's

They are running out of three-digit ship numbers...


User currently offlineusair330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 824 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 12 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6632 times:

Could be for the ramp to easily identify an -800 from the rest of the fleet.

User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6383 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (2 years 12 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6232 times:

Quoting trigged (Reply 3):
If they are going to sell planes, could they have reserved those odd numbers to re-register the outgoing aircraft so they can keep the SW suffix numbers for current aircraft?

That would go against what WN has done in the past   Many of the -200s kept their old N-Number as long as they were registered in the US (although a private owner or two did change the N-numbers).



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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6383 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (2 years 12 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6189 times:

So, are FL birds going to retain their AirTran registrations and fleet numbers?


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User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6762 posts, RR: 32
Reply 8, posted (2 years 12 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6169 times:

Quoting usair330 (Reply 5):
Could be for the ramp to easily identify an -800 from the rest of the fleet.

Easy enough to do by looking at the number of over-wing exits.


User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6568 posts, RR: 55
Reply 9, posted (2 years 12 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6113 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 7):
So, are FL birds going to retain their AirTran registrations and fleet numbers?

I don't have the answer to that but when WN took over Morris Air, they re-registrered all of the Morris Air planes to WN style numbers.

Two 73Gs originally destined for FL this spring went to WN with WN type registrations. Looking at how the aircraft are registrered now and what's available (see reply 4), WN could use 500WN numbers for the FL aircraft going higher from 550 (which they are doing now) and add a few more lower numbers (540-550).

WN could also re-use the 100 and 200 series registrations for future 73Gs.

Question is what they will do when WN gets 737MAX or 797s in the future ?

The777Man

[Edited 2011-09-20 15:05:28]


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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6383 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (2 years 12 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6087 times:

Quoting The777Man (Reply 9):
Two 73Gs originally destined for FL this spring went to WN with WN type registrations. Looking at how the aircraft are registrered now and what's available (see reply 4), WN could use 500WN numbers for the FL aircraft going higher from 550 (which they are doing now) and add a few more lower numbers (540-550).

Wonder if the FAA considers them -7H4's or if they have the FL Boeing customer code instead  



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User currently offlinePI767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (2 years 12 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6067 times:

Quoting usair330 (Reply 5):
Could be for the ramp to easily identify an -800 from the rest of the fleet.

I've heard (and correct me if I am wrong) that the flap track fairings on the -700 aircraft were painted red so that the ramp could easily identify the aircraft and that, possibly, the flap track fairings on the -800s may be painted blue.

This way, the ramp can identify aircraft types very easily without having to see the registration.

Again....this is just what someone told me. If anyone knows for sure, please correct me.


User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6568 posts, RR: 55
Reply 12, posted (2 years 12 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6052 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 10):
Wonder if the FAA considers them -7H4's or if they have the FL Boeing customer code instead

I'm pretty sure they are 7BDs (FL's Boeing code). These are N555WN and N556WN.

The777Man



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User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1963 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (2 years 12 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6016 times:

Quoting PI767 (Reply 11):
I've heard (and correct me if I am wrong) that the flap track fairings on the -700 aircraft were painted red so that the ramp could easily identify the aircraft and that,

Yeah, that's what's always been said. I don't know, seems a little insulting to the ramp guys if that actually were the reason.

Quoting PI767 (Reply 11):
the flap track fairings on the -800s may be painted blue.

Heard that too. There wouldn't be any fleet commonality if that were the case. Unless...... new livery!



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User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6762 posts, RR: 32
Reply 14, posted (2 years 12 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4799 times:

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 13):
Yeah, that's what's always been said. I don't know, seems a little insulting to the ramp guys if that actually were the reason.

Why? It's good human factors engineering to make the difference unambiguous at a glance.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22995 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (2 years 12 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4759 times:

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 13):
Heard that too. There wouldn't be any fleet commonality if that were the case. Unless...... new livery!

Isn't it easier - and more obvious - to look at the number of overwing window exits?



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User currently offlinecbphoto From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1555 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (2 years 12 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4740 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 15):

Isn't it easier - and more obvious - to look at the number of overwing window exits?

Unless it's a head-on view, in which the overwing exits might not be visible!



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22995 posts, RR: 20
Reply 17, posted (2 years 12 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4711 times:

Quoting cbphoto (Reply 16):
Unless it's a head-on view, in which the overwing exits might not be visible!

Unless the flaps are extended, it's pretty tough to make out the fairings from the front as well.



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User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4811 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (2 years 12 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4605 times:
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Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 13):
Quoting PI767 (Reply 11):
I've heard (and correct me if I am wrong) that the flap track fairings on the -700 aircraft were painted red so that the ramp could easily identify the aircraft and that,

Yeah, that's what's always been said. I don't know, seems a little insulting to the ramp guys if that actually were the reason.

I would think the difference in size would be a dead giveaway to any ramper. I see the need to make -700s easily identifiable since they are roughly the same size as the -300s. But after spending so much time around similarly sized aircraft, I would think the -800s would be obvious at first glance.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 15):
Isn't it easier - and more obvious - to look at the number of overwing window exits?

I don't think the average ramper knows how many exits there are. They aren't looking up there. From a rampers perspective, the color of the fairings is the most obvious. I know 15-year+ ramp agents that still need to see the red under the wings to know it's a -700.



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User currently offlineGizmoNC From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 12 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4257 times:

Quoting usair330 (Reply 5):

The WN 700's have red tanks on the underside of the aircraft for easy identification. There has been a rumor that the 800's would be painted BLUE for easy identification.


User currently offlinen471wn From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1537 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (2 years 12 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4220 times:
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For the 700 series when N999SW is reached then they will go to N100SW-------the 800's will be registered starting as N800SW

User currently offlineswa4life From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 385 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (2 years 12 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4178 times:

LOL, as a ramp agent I take exception to the comments listed above. Believe me when I tell you that most of us could spot a -700 or -300 as it flies overhead.. We don't need simpleton indicators.

User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4811 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (2 years 12 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4027 times:
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Quoting swa4life (Reply 21):
Believe me when I tell you that most of us could spot a -700 or -300 as it flies overhead.. We don't need simpleton indicators.

Uh, flying overhead is when the red canoes become most obvious so of course everyone can spot the difference!

Trust me, the average ramp agent who doesn't care about airplanes only knows the differences by either tail number or the color of the fairings. Once upon a time most used winglets as the primary indicator but that went out the door when the -300s started getting them.

Funny story...when we first started seeing -300s with winglets, a lot of guys would start handling it like a -700. They would load it accordingly, and the funniest part was watching lav drivers pull up to the lav service location for the -700...OOPS! Their reactions were hilarious when they looked around in confusion wondering why there was no service door!



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User currently offlineswatpamike From United States of America, joined May 2004, 581 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 12 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3838 times:

Quoting PI767 (Reply 11):
I've heard (and correct me if I am wrong) that the flap track fairings on the -700 aircraft were painted red so that the ramp could easily identify the aircraft and that, possibly, the flap track fairings on the -800s may be painted blue.

I was told 10 years ago in ramp training that you could tell a 700 by it's red fairings. The 300's were not painted. Have not heard anything about the 800's.

Cheers

Mike


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7189 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (2 years 12 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3649 times:

Also keep in mind that many on the NxxxSW register are Skywest Embraers and CRJs so are not available for WN to use.

25 fcogafa : Strangely enough, one of the 6 RYR B738s sitting at BFI carries N7235C. Coincidence?
26 KELPkid : Why not just make the -800's canoes red, too? After all, the -700 and -800 have an identical wingspan. The reason for the red canoes was so that the
27 SXDFC : I am sure that's possible, although most of the N3,5 and 6 numbers end with the SW prefix, once these birds retire I am sure they will make a comebac
28 QANTAS747-438 : I don't think so. We were getting used -700s because we needed more of them and the Boeing production line didn't have any slack in it to slip in som
29 7673mech : Negative - this was covered in a previous post. Either the 6 aircraft will be stored for the winter or they were taken through a lessor. I forgot the
30 The777Man : Can you confirm that the FL aircraft will be re-registrered when they are reconfigured for WN ? The777Man
31 QANTAS747-438 : No. He was saying that regardless of FL planes, WN would move to the N1xxWN tail numbers once the 900s run out. Things will get tricky though... WN i
32 The777Man : Thank you for the reply. Looks like n471wn just confirmed that in his reply. As I mentioned above, perhaps the FL -700s will continue with 557 and hi
33 71Zulu : N556WN is registered to WN as a 737-7BD. N555WN must be a bad number because it comes up as a Dragonfly registered to a Donald Sessions.
34 ScottB : Ship number 555 is N555LV (also a 737-7BD). Boeing has N965/966/967WN right now. With six -700's planned in 2012, you are likely correct. I expect th
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