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Do US-based FAs Operate UA LHR Flights?  
User currently offlineJackbr From Australia, joined Dec 2009, 665 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 4659 times:

Do US-based Flight Attendants operate any United flights out of LHR, or are they only operated by British based FAs?

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User currently offlinejamake1 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1005 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 4609 times:

UA hubs with multiple daily flights to LHR are crewed by both LHR-based crews and US-based crews. For example, SFO-LHR has two flights. One flight is operated with SFO-based F/A's and the second flight is operated with LHR-based F/A's.

The same goes for FRA. FRA-based crews operate some flights from FRA to certain hubs, while US-based F/A's operate other flights to/from FRA.

For the most part, it just depends on monthly manpower needs at each crew base. LHR and FRA-based crews would never operate flights within the U.S., however schedule planning may schedule a LHR-based crew for example, to operate a pairing similar to the one below:

LHR-IAD

layover

IAD-BRU

layover

BRU-IAD

layover

IAD-LHR

Typically, an IAD-based crew would operate the IAD-BRU flight, but on occasion the company will crew it with a foreign based crew. There are also many Americans that are based at UA's overseas bases, including LHR, FRA, NRT, and HKG.



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User currently offlineJackbr From Australia, joined Dec 2009, 665 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 4599 times:

Can crews from 2 (or more) bases fly together at United?

Also, are there certain flights/aircraft that UK crew tend to operate more often than others?


User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6549 posts, RR: 55
Reply 3, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 4512 times:

Quoting Jackbr (Reply 2):
Also, are there certain flights/aircraft that UK crew tend to operate more often than others?

LAX-LHR on UA 934 is always a UK crew now. It used to be a UK crew in the winter and a LAX crew in the summer when the UK crew flew to DEN. But this summer, there was no DEN-LHR so the UK crew continued to fly LHR-LAX-LHR and they still do.

I guess it's possible to have a mixed crew but I have never seen that. Lots of US domestic flights have crew from different bases but I have never seen international flights with mixed crew.

The777Man



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User currently offlinejamake1 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1005 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 4441 times:

Quoting Jackbr (Reply 2):


Can crews from 2 (or more) bases fly together at United?

Yes. Crew scheduling at United may need to fill two open positions on a LHR-SFO flight, but there are no reserve F/A's available in LHR, so they will create a trip pairing for another base that will involve filling in the open positions for that LHR-SFO flight (as an example). The trip will be crewed with a LHR-based crew, but the two positions may be filled with SFO-based F/A's.

There was a time when UA was operating non-stops between SFO and Nagoya (NGO). The pairing was a 5-6 day pairing that included layovers in NGO and TPE. The trips were often staffed with a mixed crew comprised of SFO and NRT-based F/A's.

I haven't flown for UA for the past 3 years, but as someone who was based at SFO, I have flown trips with HKG, NRT, HNL, FRA, LHR, and CDG-based F/A's. I loved flying with the foreign crews. They really help to elevate the United product and are very professional.



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User currently offlineworking2gether From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 83 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 11 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3838 times:

I recently just flew IAD-LHR and I swore during the announcements they said it was a mixed crew of both IAD and LHR F/A. I didn't know that it occurred before but since reading this I guess it's possible

User currently offlineluv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 6, posted (2 years 11 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3789 times:

The UA based LHR FA's are all US citizens that are based in LHR, not like the AA ones based in South America.


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User currently offlinejamake1 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1005 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (2 years 11 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3549 times:

Quoting luv2fly (Reply 6):
The UA based LHR FA's are all US citizens that are based in LHR, not like the AA ones based in South America.

That is not correct. Most are British or EU citizens. Only the Americans that are based in LHR and FRA are US citizens.



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User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9168 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (2 years 11 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3456 times:

Do US based FAs operate HKG flights too?

User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (2 years 11 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3283 times:

Out of curiousity, do European crews operate the new EWR-ZRH and soon EWR-BRU flights? How do these routings work. They are UA, not CO crews.


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User currently offlineSulley From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 524 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (2 years 11 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3220 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 9):
Out of curiousity, do European crews operate the new EWR-ZRH and soon EWR-BRU flights? How do these routings work. They are UA, not CO crews.

The routing goes IAD-ZRH-EWR-ZRH-IAD, I believe. Same goes for BRU.



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User currently offlinewashingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (2 years 11 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3195 times:

Will PMUA FRA & LHR based F/As eventually operate PMCO flights once there is a SOC?

Quoting jamake1 (Reply 7):
That is not correct. Most are British or EU citizens. Only the Americans that are based in LHR and FRA are US citizens.

Very interesting. For those Americans based there, are they ex-pats living abroad or do they commute to LHR?

And are most of these British or EU citizen F/As ex-Pan Am? When did United last hire abroad for F/As?


User currently offlineAirNovaBAe146 From Canada, joined Jun 2008, 362 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 11 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3128 times:

Do UA FAs who are based internationally get any sort of premium for being in LHR, FRA, etc...

Reason I ask is because while the above are fantastic places to live, on what UA pays it, especially in $US (vs Euros), the money probably does not go to far.

Thanks!


User currently offlinejamake1 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1005 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (2 years 11 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3029 times:

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 11):
Very interesting. For those Americans based there, are they ex-pats living abroad or do they commute to LHR?

Some of the Americans commute, but many live in the UK and throughout the EU. I personally know one American who commutes to Rome. I know two others, one who lives in London and the other who splits her time between the UK and Washington, DC where she was based previously.

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 11):

And are most of these British or EU citizen F/As ex-Pan Am? When did United last hire abroad for F/As?

The LHR base has a significant number of former Pan Am F/A's. FRA less so, as the FRA base did not open until 1997. However, FRA did absorb a significant number of the F/A's who were based in CDG before the CDG base was closed. There were a handful of former Pan Am'ers based in CDG.

I don't believe UA has hired abroad (in Europe) since the late 1990's. When UA resumed hiring in 2006 in the US, some of those F/A's had the ability to transfer to LHR and FRA as transfers were posted during that time. Furthermore, United re-opened two bases in the Pacific, SIN and BKK and recruited in those regions during the 2006-2007 period.

The BKK and SIN based F/A's are not represented by AFA as those bases were grandfathered by contract language from UA's purchase of Pan Am's Pacific routes in 1986. As such, F/A's based in those regions were considered foreign nationals and wore different uniforms. They operated under different pay scales and work rules than the company's AFA-represented F/A's.

When United grounded the fleet of 737's in 2008, the company had a system-wide furlough. As such, both BKK and SIN were subsequently closed. Per the AFA contract, if United has a reduction in force of AFA-represented F/A's, the foreign nationals based in BKK and SIN must be furloughed first. Since the company has approximately 2,000 AFA-represented F/A's on furlough, the BKK and SIN bases remain closed.



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User currently offlinejamake1 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1005 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (2 years 11 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2949 times:

Quoting AirNovaBAe146 (Reply 12):
Do UA FAs who are based internationally get any sort of premium for being in LHR, FRA, etc...

There are no cost-of-living adjustments for being based abroad, however there is a premium of $4 per flight hour for flying international. Many of the Americans who are based in LHR and FRA would not have the seniority to hold an international line of flying if they were based in one of UA's US bases. Hence, transferring to LHR and FRA allows them to hold international flying consistently. International per diem rates (meal allowances) are also slightly higher than domestic per diem rates.

Also, there is a B-scale rate of pay during one's first 5 years of employment. After 5 years of employment, F/A's merge to A-scale, which is a fairly significant jump in hourly pay. Living in FRA or LHR would be very difficult at United's B-scale wage rate (one can barely afford to live in the US on B-scale).

The F/A's whom I know personally who are based in LHR and FRA are on A-scale, which makes living abroad much more manageable. There are also ways to increase one's earnings potential by becoming qualified as a Purser. Flight attendants can be pretty resourceful and they make living abroad work for them.

Quoting United Airline (Reply 8):
Do US based FAs operate HKG flights too?

Yes. Sometimes. It is not uncommon to have a HKG flight staffed with a mix of HKG-based and US-based crews. (HKG and NRT-based crews also do an excellent job).



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User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (2 years 11 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2851 times:

Quoting jamake1 (Reply 13):
However, FRA did absorb a significant number of the F/A's who were based in CDG before the CDG base was closed. There were a handful of former Pan Am'ers based in CDG.

Which IIRC, CDG and PHL were satellites of the EWR base (closed in 2006, now "reopened" under the CO brand)



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25072 posts, RR: 46
Reply 16, posted (2 years 11 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2802 times:

Quoting jamake1 (Reply 13):
The BKK and SIN based F/A's

In 20-odd years of United flying, absolutely best cabin crews were the regional ones in Asia.

The stark difference in service and especially attitude could not be more evident.

I was extremely sad to see the bases close.



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User currently offlinejamake1 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1005 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (2 years 11 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2751 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 15):
Which IIRC, CDG and PHL were satellites of the EWR base (closed in 2006, now "reopened" under the CO brand)

No. Not quite. United does not have and has never had satellite bases. CDG, EWR, PHL were wholly separate crew bases in and of themselves and had nothing to do with each other. Furthermore, EWR is technically not "re-opened." CO and UA F/A's are operating under completely different collective bargaining agreements and currently, there are no UA F/A's based out of EWR. That won't occur until a joint CBA is negotiated, which is still a ways off.

The only bases that could be considered satellites are what we term as co-terminals. At UA, co-terminals include LGA and JFK; SFO and OAK; BWI, DCA, and IAD. BUR is also a co-terminal of LAX, however since UA pulled mainline flights out of BUR, it is obviously no longer used as a co-terminal. There is contract language stipulating that SNA is also considered a co-terminal however UA has never used it as such.

With that said, UA's current F/A crew domiciles are HNL, SEA, SFO, LAX, LAS, DEN, ORD, BOS, JFK, and DCA.

The overseas domiciles are LHR, FRA, HKG, and NRT.

Between 9/11 and United's bankruptcy proceedings, CDG, SCL (Santiago), TPE, EWR, MIA, and PHL were closed.



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User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (2 years 11 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2735 times:

Quoting jamake1 (Reply 17):
No. Not quite. United does not have and has never had satellite bases. CDG, EWR, PHL were wholly separate crew bases in and of themselves and had nothing to do with each other. Furthermore, EWR is technically not "re-opened." CO and UA F/A's are operating under completely different collective bargaining agreements and currently, there are no UA F/A's based out of EWR. That won't occur until a joint CBA is negotiated, which is still a ways off.

I was half joking about the reopened element of EWR. Also there is a very strong a net rumor circulating that a 767 base for UA will eventually open at EWR before the CBA is negotiated.



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User currently offlinejamake1 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1005 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (2 years 11 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2700 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 18):
Also there is a very strong a net rumor circulating that a 767 base for UA will eventually open at EWR before the CBA is negotiated.

If that is true, it would most likely be a base for pilots, since they are type-rated on specific A/C types. In which case, it would be a 757/767 base since UA pilots are type-rated to fly both. At UA, F/A's are not scheduled according to A/C type. In other words, if UA decided to re-open EWR as a F/A domicile, it wouldn't be according to A/C type.



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User currently offlineblueflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3967 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (2 years 11 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2641 times:
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Quoting The777Man (Reply 3):
I guess it's possible to have a mixed crew but I have never seen that.
Quoting jamake1 (Reply 4):
Crew scheduling at United may need to fill two open positions on a LHR-SFO flight,

When I was flying TATL regularly on UA, mixed crews would tend to occur during irrops, such as missing reserve as explained above, or for foreign language qualification. If I recall well, UA had at one time one or two French-speaking F/As based in CDG assigned to a CDG-IAD-BRU-IAD-CDG line to complement an IAD crew.

Quoting Sulley (Reply 10):
The routing goes IAD-ZRH-EWR-ZRH-IAD, I believe. Same goes for BRU.

Correct. The crew will basically follow the aircraft.



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User currently offlinequiet1 From Thailand, joined Apr 2010, 353 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 11 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2400 times:

Quoting jamake1 (Reply 17):
United does not have and has never had satellite bases

I thought LAS and PHL (R.I.P.) were satellite domiciles? LAS reported to LAX, but I forget where PHL report to.


User currently offlinecaleb1 From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 359 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (2 years 11 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2188 times:
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Quoting LAXintl (Reply 16):
In 20-odd years of United flying, absolutely best cabin crews were the regional ones in Asia.

The stark difference in service and especially attitude could not be more evident.

I was extremely sad to see the bases close.

I couldn't aqgree more. UA's SIN and BKK based crews are hands down the best in United's system!!! It is too bad that they have to be furloughed. They rock!!


User currently offlineyegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1724 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (2 years 11 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1852 times:

Back in August, my FRA-IAD flight was pretty all European based flight attendants with the director being very French....I kind of wondered myself why that is...But I guess it is a common practice at UA

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