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JetBlue Plans More BOS Flights, ORH, PVD Service  
User currently offlinejamake1 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1012 posts, RR: 2
Posted (3 years 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 9680 times:

Speaking at Boston College's Chief Executives Club of Boston, Dave Barger said the following:

Airline hopes to acquire all gates in Terminal C

Increase BOS departures from 100 to 150

In talks with Massport to start service at Worcester and Providence

http://www.bizjournals.com/boston/ne...orcester-providence.html?ana=yfcpc


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User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3755 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 9685 times:

Interesting about ORH.

Wasn't B6 offered ORH access by Massport first before they could get access to (and started) BOS?



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User currently onlineflyby519 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1148 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 9663 times:

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Highly doubt we will see B6 in ORH in the next decade. I'd give PVD a 50/50 shot at some limited service



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User currently offlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9375 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 9633 times:

i could actually see Worcester happening. apparently, lots of drive ins from central Mass to Bradley for their service there.


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User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6766 posts, RR: 32
Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 9572 times:

Quoting jamake1 (Thread starter):
In talks with Massport to start service at Worcester and Providence

They don't need to talk to Massport to start service at PVD. My read on this is that B6 wants all of BOS Terminal C, and they are offering some token service at ORH to get Massport to twist more arms to make that happen. But United isn't going to move unless they have sufficient gates where they move to (and that's not possible at Terminal A) and someone else pays the bill for the move.

Quoting stlgph (Reply 3):
i could actually see Worcester happening. apparently, lots of drive ins from central Mass to Bradley for their service there.

I don't. ORH is a real pain-in-the-butt to drive to unless you're coming from right in Worcester.


User currently offlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9375 posts, RR: 26
Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 9463 times:

Quoting ScottB (Reply 4):
I don't. ORH is a real pain-in-the-butt to drive to unless you're coming from right in Worcester.

jetBlue is the "cool, hip" airline of New England. people will go out of their way to get to it, just like they do for an Ikea.



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User currently offlinecontrails15 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 9394 times:

The expanded BOS is no surprise. BOS is gonna be a mini JFK. Going through the same things we went through with an out dated terminal, horrible baggage system and no room to expand. Thats changing now with the renovation thus the expansion. ORH and PVD. PVD like every other city in the US has been a rumor for a long long time but ORH is new to me. Give people more of an option? I'm not familiar with the Boston area but I'm guessing ORH would be like ISP is too NYC?


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User currently offlinezrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3174 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 day ago) and read 9239 times:

Worcester! Cool! I think it's still the second largest New England City. I loved in the late 80's / early 90's when Piedmont, Continentsl, and USAir all flew mainline jets into ORH's tiny former terminal with retrofitted ground level jetways!


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User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1990 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 day ago) and read 9138 times:

B6 in Worcester? That would be so cool, it's too bad I don't live in the area anymore.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 4):

I don't. ORH is a real pain-in-the-butt to drive to unless you're coming from right in Worcester.

Not really, it's about a 15-minute drive from the intersection of Route 146 and I-290.

Quoting contrails15 (Reply 6):
I'm not familiar with the Boston area but I'm guessing ORH would be like ISP is too NYC?

Oh God, no. It would be more akin to Teterboro, or maybe HVN. The only service it has currently is Direct Air.



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User currently offlinelat41 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 471 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 23 hours ago) and read 8934 times:

PVD second city in New England. Metro area far larger than ORH. Winter weather on the ground and in the air a bit tamer and milder than either BOS or ORH and road access easier than either. That might not mean a thing toward potential new JetBlue service or any other carrier's, but to set the record straight.

User currently offlinezrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3174 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (3 years 23 hours ago) and read 8868 times:

Quoting lat41 (Reply 9):
PVD second city in New England. Metro area far larger than ORH.

According to Wikipedia (and we all know how reliable that is!) ORH is larger than PVD. But I'm not sure if that is metro or city alone. Actual source in the 2010 census.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_England



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User currently onlineflyby519 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1148 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 22 hours ago) and read 8783 times:

Quoting contrails15 (Reply 6):
The expanded BOS is no surprise. BOS is gonna be a mini JFK. Going through the same things we went through with an out dated terminal, horrible baggage system and no room to expand. Thats changing now with the renovation thus the expansion.

Yep! All this PVD/ORH talk is just to get the BOS Massport folks riled up. Once BOS gives B6 the entire C terminal we wont hear anything more about PVD/ORH.



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User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8383 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (3 years 21 hours ago) and read 8546 times:

Quoting stlgph (Reply 5):
jetBlue is the "cool, hip" airline of New England. people will go out of their way to get to it, just like they do for an Ikea.

I don't buy it. They're no more cool and hip than WN is. If people are going out of their way it's because its fares are attractive and they serve a market not served by other airlines. I can't imagine that many people driving from NH to BOS to fly B6 to Florida unless all of the cheap fares from MHT are sold.


User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1990 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 21 hours ago) and read 8540 times:

Quoting flyby519 (Reply 11):
Yep! All this PVD/ORH talk is just to get the BOS Massport folks riled up. Once BOS gives B6 the entire C terminal we wont hear anything more about PVD/ORH.

I disagree. I think we will see B6 at BOS, PVD, and MHT, regardless of whether or not they get all of Terminal C. ORH may not be too farfetched either, as Worcester is less isolated than it used to be now that Route 146 has been upgraded to a freeway, and it is seldomly used by Direct Air.



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User currently offlineapodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4280 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (3 years 17 hours ago) and read 7860 times:

Quoting flyby519 (Reply 11):
Yep! All this PVD/ORH talk is just to get the BOS Massport folks riled up. Once BOS gives B6 the entire C terminal we wont hear anything more about PVD/ORH.

I am not sure if that is their motive or not. The problem is not that Massport doesn't want to give B6 all of Terminal C, it is that United doesn't want to move, and they want to stay in C after UA/CO are finished combining. As most of us well know, Massport is doing everything in their power to find a way to get UA out of C, but the biggest problem is United has threatened legal action if they are bullied out of C. B6 twisting Massport arms even more is not going to help, only United caving will, and they don't appear to be doing so.

ORH is a bit risky, because for one you risk taking your own pax away from BOS, and two no one else has been able to make ORH work (Even Allegiant of all companies), mainly because the road access to ORH is horrible. They have tried to address this, but there has been NIMBY opposition to improved roadways since it would likely require folks to be displaced, and right now there is no money for such improvements anyways.

I do think though that B6 would have no trouble in PVD. There is gate and ticket space open for them thanks to AA's pull out and pending mergers. PVD has a bigger catchment area than you think, that isn't always specific to BOS, it is also the closest airport to Foxwoods (I doubt though that air travel is the primary means of visiting there), and it now has the new rail station as well (Even though the schedule sucks at the moment). My prediction though as far as PVD goes is that if B6 launches service there (You would likely be looking at JFK, MCO, and FLL for starters), then with WN also there competing it would lead to the legacies pulling down most of whats left of their mainline flying. (Maybe not DL because of the WN ATL deal, but certainly UA and US)


User currently offlinewnflyguy From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2011, 545 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 16 hours ago) and read 7673 times:

I think you will see B6 start service to ISP,PVD and MHT in the next 2 years. As for Worcester I can see in with few flights like SWF. I'm a WN guy but B6 is my first airline of choice when it comes to travel their product is AWESOME. I think WN biggest blunder was letting DAVID NEEDLEMAN go with his crazy vision. And also passing on the JFK deal and going with ISLIP instead. Enjoy wnfg


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User currently onlineflyby519 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1148 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 12 hours ago) and read 7391 times:

Quoting apodino (Reply 14):
ORH is a bit risky, because for one you risk taking your own pax away from BOS, and two no one else has been able to make ORH work (Even Allegiant of all companies), mainly because the road access to ORH is horrible. They have tried to address this, but there has been NIMBY opposition to improved roadways since it would likely require folks to be displaced, and right now there is no money for such improvements anyways.

Agreed, also wouldnt it canabilize some of their BDL traffic? Especially the Florida/Caribbean traffic?



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16872 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (3 years 12 hours ago) and read 7350 times:

MASSPORT controls both BOS and ORH. Massport would be thrilled if they could get some airline service to ORH, as pointed out 15-20 years ago ORH had very respectable service from regional affiliates of AA, CO, DL etc.. B6 offering to launch flights from ORH is a quid pro quo with MASSPORT to get their help in acquiring the remainder of the Terminal C gates.


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User currently offlineShamrock137 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 11 hours ago) and read 7248 times:

The rumor at PVD is that a group from RIAC recently met with jetBlue in New York to present their case to try and convince the airline to start service into PVD. They seem to be desperate to attract more airlines, as passenger numbers have been on a steady decline since 2006. However, rent for gates and space at PVD is extremely high. RIAC has been trying to convince Cape Air to resume year round service, yet their one of their arguments against it is that they currently pay more for gate space in PVD then in BOS. It would be interesting to see what routes jetBlue would operate, and how Southwest would react.


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User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8383 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (3 years 10 hours ago) and read 7108 times:

Quoting apodino (Reply 14):
B6 twisting Massport arms even more is not going to help, only United caving will, and they don't appear to be doing so.

You're assuming that B6 is not talking to UA which to me would be the more likely scenario. If the CEO is "really optimistic" I'd say this is more than a wish and that something is already in the works. It's all about finding the right price.
Think about the potential for B6 expanding into TATL routes with the A321NEO and being right next to the International terminal. Places like LGW, MAN, DUB, LIS, PDL, VLL would all be reachable from BOS. Maybe even CDG/BRU/AMS/DUS.

[Edited 2011-09-23 06:03:29]

User currently offlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9375 posts, RR: 26
Reply 20, posted (3 years 10 hours ago) and read 6929 times:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 12):
I don't buy it. They're no more cool and hip than WN is. If people are going out of their way it's because its fares are attractive and they serve a market not served by other airlines. I can't imagine that many people driving from NH to BOS to fly B6 to Florida unless all of the cheap fares from MHT are sold.

sorry bud, jetblue definitely comes across as more of the 'hip' airline than Southwest does - by a long shot, especially in the land between New York and Boston.



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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7195 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (3 years 10 hours ago) and read 6877 times:

Quoting flyby519 (Reply 2):
Highly doubt we will see B6 in ORH in the next decade. I'd give PVD a 50/50 shot at some limited service

PVD is quite possible. ORH isn't. That is something Massport really wants and B6 is probably paying lip service to get something in BOS.

Quoting jamake1 (Thread starter):
In talks with Massport to start service at Worcester and Providence

Of course Massport does not control PVD. It sounded that way from the way you worded it.  
Quoting Shamrock137 (Reply 18):
The rumor at PVD is that a group from RIAC recently met with jetBlue in New York to present their case

The rumor is probably true, but a procession of 3 or 4 airports a week visits the B6 HQ...so it doesn't mean anything.


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7521 posts, RR: 23
Reply 22, posted (3 years 9 hours ago) and read 6708 times:

Given WN's pending pull-out from all PHL-New England non-stop routes next year; I wonder if one of B6's additional BOS routes will be to PHL?


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User currently offlineSpunker From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 9 hours ago) and read 6685 times:

Quoting stlgph (Reply 20):

I like jetBlue alot better than Southwest. I just can't see ORH happening. They haven't been able to support airline service there for a long time. I could see PVD on winter FL services. I see this as B6 marking their territory before WN starts getting any ideas.


User currently offlinedelta2ual From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (3 years 9 hours ago) and read 6626 times:

Maybe DL can move back in to C and B6 can have all of A?


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25 Post contains images airbazar : I didn't say they weren't. I'm just saying that I don't believe that cool and hip is enough to make someone wrestle through heavily congested traffic
26 rl757pvd : My guess is they will see what throwing PVD into the mix does for their overlap area passengers. There will be some pax that currently use BOS that co
27 kearnet : Meanwhile to the north of ORH: Mark Brewer is holding another pep rally telling the crowd "OK boys and girls, if you click your heels three times, clo
28 apodino : Not gonna happen at all. DL poured way too much money into Terminal A to move out of C in the first place. And with the gate space they would need, y
29 bos2laf : First: B6 just spent heaps of money redoing their ticket counter. Those pretty new "Corian-like" ticket counters were not paid for by Massport. Nor w
30 apodino : This is the problem I have had for years is that when you allow airlines to pour money into their own facilities, rather than go CUTE, it makes it th
31 zrs70 : I have the only viable solution: Bring TWA, Eastern, Piedmont, and others back. Rebuild the old Terminal A, and put Eastern there. Perhaps CO as well.
32 slcdeltarumd11 : Hey if its working for them, why not? There is not a real hub at BOS to compete with and they seem to be well accepted. Keep going with whats working
33 Post contains images airbazar : It's no more laughable than the idea of AA ordering 200 Airbus Did you miss the comment about the A321NEOs? BOS makes all those routes feasible with
34 HVNandrew : Would never happen. DL built A and the Satellite themselves. They still occupy all of the Satellite and roughly half of A. I don't think they could c
35 bonusonus : Except that they consistently and regularly do it for WN. Improvements in the Boston highways and at BOS have led to the fares there being a good dea
36 Post contains links STT757 : More coverage from the Boston Globe: Sounds like it's Massport who brought up ORH, as a quid pro quo, as repayment for their efforts in helping B6 acq
37 apodino : I am sorry, there just isn't enough gate space in A for the combined UA/CO unless DL gives up gates, which there is no way they are going to do, espe
38 STT757 : Massport as part of the settlement they reached with DL, over DL's default during bankruptcy on their debt obligations vis a vis Terminal A, has the
39 apodino : Even so, that is still not going to going to give UA/CO enough gates for their operation. I don't think DL would necessarily mind giving up three gat
40 FutureUScapt : But surely 8 gates would be sufficient for daytime operations, right? I'm not familiar with the availability of hardstand locations at BOS, but nowad
41 tu154 : Keep in mind that BOS is an alternate for many UA flight from Europe. Also B767's were used in the past on daily LAX, DEN, SFO and ORD flights. As pe
42 COflyerBOS : Please start service to HOU. I fly between IAH and BOS 20 or so times a year. I was very loyal to CO but am not loving the airline that has "emerged"
43 Post contains images apodino : I am actually a bit surprised that WN hasn't started HOU service considering that HOU is one of the so called "megacities" for WN. I am not sure how
44 BOStonsox : I thought the A321NEO had less range than the A320NEO, which still would not be able to go TATL due to the winds. But then again US is pushing for th
45 Post contains images airbazar : That's my point. Lower fares make passengers go out of their way. Not the 'hip' factor. At least not in NE Yes, the 320 has longer range but it's als
46 STT757 : Neither Terminal A nor Terminal C at BOS have FIS facilities, so whether or not it's an "alternate" for Europe flights is irrelevant.
47 jfklganyc : " BOS will continue to grow for UA so 8 gates would not be enough for the combined UA/CO." In what way? Neither UA or CO have grown anything in BOS in
48 chrisnh : Ordinarily, I'd chime in with some MHT-focused comment, but not this time. I have no idea whether B6 will come to either airport, or MHT for that matt
49 apodino : While I agree that their growth is likely to be stangnant in BOS, but less service is a bit of a stretch. Lets take a look at it Hub by Hub EWR - Giv
50 delta2ual : I am curious to see all this growth as well. I think the whole point of this merger is to stabilize and rationalize capacity (like DL). I don't think
51 Revelation : That's pretty much it, but as MHT service levels and destinations ebb, more people will head towards BOS, and B6 will catch a lot of that business. A
52 PHLBOS : True, but unlike ATL and DFW/DAL; WN is clearly abandoning ALL its PHL-New England routes next year whereas they will be entering ATL (courtesy of th
53 ScottB : That is true, BUT those three gates aren't all mainline gates. CO currently has four mainline gates at Terminal A (A5-A8), along with two regional pa
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