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UAL 763 At EWR Tonight. What's She Up To?  
User currently offlinerichiemo From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 224 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 10966 times:

Saw a PM United 767-300 parked at EWR, Term C tonight around 5:15. Couldn't make it to her gate to see where she was headed. And I couldn't find her on Flightstats.com. Anybody have any idea. Can't wait to see more 763s in new livery at EWR.

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User currently offlinejamake1 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1023 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 10960 times:

I would imagine she is working the EWR-ZRH flight on behalf of CO.


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User currently offlinepecoua From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 300 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 10906 times:

That is flight 978 EWR-ZRH...UA took over that root quite recently.

User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2463 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 10806 times:

More to come. UA is due to take over the EWR-BRU route effective 9/29 with a 777.

User currently offlineT5towbar From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 584 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 10683 times:

That's Flight 978 EWR-ZRH.
Usually boards from Gate 102 daily.



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User currently offlinerichiemo From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 224 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 10365 times:

Excellent news that UA is starting to take over more EWR flights. Really can't wait for the A320s to start showing up.

User currently offlineJackbr From Australia, joined Dec 2009, 668 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 10280 times:

Is the 763 ferrying into EWR or operating scheduled domestic flights to position the aircraft for the flight?

Which FA base is operating the flight?


User currently offlineCALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2731 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 10243 times:

Quoting Jackbr (Reply 6):
Is the 763 ferrying into EWR or operating scheduled domestic flights to position the aircraft for the flight?

From the schedule, it looks like the EWR operation turns to and from IAD at ZRH so it does a 5 hour turn at EWR each day so no ferrying or domestic flight is needed.
No idea how the crew works.


User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2463 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 10221 times:

Quoting Jackbr (Reply 6):
Which FA base is operating the flight?

I believe these are IAD flight and cabin crews operating IAD-BRU-EWR-BRU-IAD as a 6 day trip.


User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 10221 times:

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 7):
From the schedule, it looks like the EWR operation turns to and from IAD at ZRH so it does a 5 hour turn at EWR each day so no ferrying or domestic flight is needed.
No idea how the crew works.

Would not surprise me if it's a six-day scissor trip - likely Day 1 IAD-ZRH, Day 2 rest, Day 3 ZRH-EWR, Day 4 EWR-ZRH, Day 5 rest, Day 6 ZRH-IAD.

Likely done with Washington crews up front and in back.


User currently offlineCALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2731 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 10148 times:

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 9):
Would not surprise me if it's a six-day scissor trip - likely Day 1 IAD-ZRH, Day 2 rest, Day 3 ZRH-EWR, Day 4 EWR-ZRH, Day 5 rest, Day 6 ZRH-IAD.

Likely done with Washington crews up front and in back.

29 hours in EWR sounds like fun.


User currently offlinewashingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 10126 times:

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 10):
29 hours in EWR sounds like fun.

Haha, I was thinking the same thing. Wonder if they get to stay in Manhattan or stuck at an EWR hotel...


User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4595 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 10120 times:

It just seems a bit odd to me that UA announced these 2 flights (EWR-ZRH and EWR-BRU) months ago and we haven't heard anything else since then regarding additional routes out of EWR that will be operated by UA.

What was the big rush to convert these 2 routes from CO to UA?


User currently offlineCALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2731 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 10095 times:

Quoting N62NA (Reply 12):
What was the big rush to convert these 2 routes from CO to UA?

Premium traffic in F class, which CO doesn't offer.


User currently offlinewashingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 10032 times:

Quoting N62NA (Reply 12):
It just seems a bit odd to me that UA announced these 2 flights (EWR-ZRH and EWR-BRU) months ago and we haven't heard anything else since then regarding additional routes out of EWR that will be operated by UA.

I'm sure there will be a ton by next summer, especially as conversions of the 2-class 763s will be well underway by then...


User currently offlinejamake1 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1023 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 9954 times:

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 11):
Wonder if they get to stay in Manhattan or stuck at an EWR hotel...

I am not at liberty to discuss where UA crews stay on a public forum, however it is not EWR and it is not Manhattan.



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User currently offlineyamatthey From Switzerland, joined Aug 2005, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 9761 times:

You may have a beer at the Westin Hotel Jersey City and you will see a lot of crew uniforms around, like Lufthansa, Singapore Airlines and many more...

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16908 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 9624 times:

Quoting N62NA (Reply 12):
It just seems a bit odd to me that UA announced these 2 flights (EWR-ZRH and EWR-BRU) months ago and we haven't heard anything else since then regarding additional routes out of EWR that will be operated by UA.

Well there's also all those UAX ERJ-170s and CR-7s flying COEX regional flights.

[/quote]What was the big rush to convert these 2 routes from CO to UA?
[/quote]

The need for premium seats, and lack of PMCO widebody equipment.

Quoting yamatthey (Reply 16):
You may have a beer at the Westin Hotel Jersey City and you will see a lot of crew uniforms around, like Lufthansa, Singapore Airlines and many more...

Great hotel, brand new and real close to the PATH train. Directly across from Lower Manhattan.



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User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4595 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 8810 times:

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 13):
Quoting N62NA (Reply 12):
What was the big rush to convert these 2 routes from CO to UA?

Premium traffic in F class, which CO doesn't offer.

OK... but just these two routes? These two routes have so much more premium traffic in F class than other routes that it required current UA (not current CO) actually adding international flights at EWR?


User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 19, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 8748 times:

Yes.

filler.

NS


User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4595 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 8341 times:

Quoting gigneil (Reply 19):
Yes.

Any data to back that up?

I'm still having an issue with the idea that "only" these 2 cities require F immediately. Since CO dominates EWR, there are plenty of other "high profile" international routes with no F.... NRT comes to mind, so using NRT as an example, why no immediate move to put a UA 777/744 on that route to offer F service?


User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6936 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 8024 times:

Quoting jamake1 (Reply 15):

Extended layovers for UA crew is at a hotel in Morristown, NJ (formally manhattan.) For a 29 hour rest, I have no idea where they would go. I've biked past the Westin in Jersey City a bunch of times and it's definitely underrated.



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User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4595 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 7799 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 21):
Extended layovers for UA crew is at a hotel in Morristown, NJ (formally manhattan.) For a 29 hour rest, I have no idea where they would go.

I believe BA stays in Morristown as well. It's quite a ways out - about 25 miles. I grew up just outside of Morristown and while it's a nice mid-sized town, there really isn't much to do there - especially during the gloomy months of November through March.


User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6936 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 7705 times:

Quoting N62NA (Reply 22):
I believe BA stays in Morristown as well. It's quite a ways out - about 25 miles. I grew up just outside of Morristown and while it's a nice mid-sized town, there really isn't much to do there - especially during the gloomy months of November through March.

I flew ORD-EWR in F in December 2009 and the f/a who told me about the layover in Morristown, NJ. She said she absolutely loved it as it was so "cute" with tons of shopping and great restaurants. I too grew up in that area and always thought Motown was a slightly depressed central NJ town. HOWEVER: Apparently you haven't been back to Mo-town in recent years at night where it literally has become a 2nd Hoboken, NJ -- a ton of drunk girls at bars with lines out the door and some with covers. Actually a pretty good time for the most part  



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User currently offlineblueflyer From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Jan 2006, 4196 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 6267 times:
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Quoting N62NA (Reply 18):
These two routes have so much more premium traffic in F class than other routes that it required current UA (not current CO) actually adding international flights at EWR?

Can't speak for ZRH, but as far as BRU is concerned, it's not just F but C as well. For the past couple of years, CO has been using a 764 on EWR-BRU and it routinely goes out full upfront (trust me, I've been unable to find a seat at the last minute a few times). Over the summer, demand to BRU remains strong but it tampers down on another market that is usually serviced by a 777 (can't remember which one) so CO swaps both aircraft.

If CO had one spare 777 year-long, it would go to BRU all year.

On the other hand, PMUA has a few 777s that aren't used to their full capacity, but the one they already use on IAD-BRU does well in all three cabins.

Put all this together and it's a no-brainer, really. UA gets better utilization out of a 777 and they sell more premium seats on EWR-BRU, and all they have to do is IAD-BRU-EWR-BRU-IAD and put their crew in a hotel in New Jersey.

The question now is, how long will it take for PMCO to fly ORD-BRU on behalf of UA with a 764 now that AA is out.



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25 fanofjets : There's lots to do in and around Morristown. Morristown is host to the world-class Mayo Arts PAC - plenty of top-name entertainment in music, comedy,
26 CALPSAFltSkeds : The 764 would lose F and Y+ classes, but offer 9 more C seats (only 3 total extra premium seats) and 49 extra in Y. It probably won't happen anytime
27 TOMMY767 : Why would a widebody on EWR-ORD-EWR be unlikely? I feel that's in order once SOC is achieved.
28 CALPSAFltSkeds : I mentioned anytime soon. Once things are more integrated it could happen. Could IAH-BRU be a potential route - could swap out in BRU and with more P
29 TOMMY767 : With ORD, IAD, and EWR flying BRU, I don't think IAH-BRU is much of a priority. Plenty of connections.
30 474218 : So I take it the crews change in to civilian clothes and and take separate taxis to the hotel? Many times I have ridden on the hotel shuttles with th
31 maxamuus : I dont think Jamake1 was implying its a national secret where the flight crews stay. However if Jamake1 is a CO/UA employee with internal information
32 blueflyer : Well, if you think it's a meager addition upfront, let's throw in another 777 then. I'm not saying that in jest. If we assume that AA sells only abou
33 Post contains links STT757 : Higher utilization rates would be one reason, also the domestic 767s are being converted to International aircraft. I think rotating widebodies betwe
34 PanAm747LHR : We can end all of the speculation about where the crews stay. They stay at their homes. UA has a NYC base that covers all 3 airports. Until recently t
35 jamake1 : As somebody has already posted, the ZRH trip is not flown with a JFK crew. It is flown with a DCA-based crew. The trip pairing goes like this: IAD-ZR
36 Post contains images jamake1 :
37 Post contains images Drerx7 : Exactly...I am a fan of your post TOMMY767 and I've come to see you are a PMUA'er - which is nice; but, judging by your post over the past months I c
38 N62NA : Slight correction: It's MMU. I too grew up in that area and remember actually seeing a PeoplExpress 737-130 parked at MMU in the early days of PE's o
39 kfitz : I'm not sure it's so much as underestimating as simply being realistic. CO was a 2-class airline that had a relatively small route network compared t
40 N62NA : Source?
41 kfitz : Do you believe OnePass was a superior program to MileagePlus? Redemption, award booking, qualifications, not to mention IRROPS performance and elite c
42 VC10er : I saw the UA 767 today at EWR when I came in from IAH. It must be due for a paint job soon because the aircraft was filthy, far more than PMUA would a
43 Drerx7 : Not quite fair. CO's Lat Am network was arguably more important or not just as important as their expansion from EWR. CO served more cities in Mexico
44 Post contains images CODC10 : What makes you think that? In the world of business, this is really the only thing that matters.
45 TOMMY767 : For an airline that currently flies widebodies on hub to hub routes such as IAD-ORD, DEN-ORD, IAH-SFO, SFO-DEN, LAX-DEN, I'd say a widebody on EWR-OR
46 washingtonian : It seems to me that one of the biggest "problems" United will have is deciding which hubs to grow with international flights! Some dilemma!! Having t
47 Drerx7 : I agree, I think that this is an eventuality. I could definitely see a turn a day with alternating 777 and 767 for repositioning - as well as amongst
48 TOMMY767 : EWR is maxed out as it's slot regulated. I'd expect IAD and EWR to trade off on some international routes. Perhaps IAD getting some flights to the Bri
49 Drerx7 : Well, the transit Visa requirement was enough of a deterrent to push that back for lower hanging fruits. Especially with the new Terminal B having wi
50 CALPSAFltSkeds : You'll probably see a widebody EWR-ORD, but remember that CO flies EWR-IAH with widebodies for two reasons (more than capacity). 1, maintenance posit
51 TOMMY767 : I'm amazed at how many f-ing props EWR gets right now. I was driving down the pulaski skyway the other day and 3 Q400s land in a row. In time I think
52 Drerx7 : Well...not exactly. IAH-CDG on CO was flown waaaaaaay before these alliances came to exist. IAH-AMS as well IIRC. KL and AF were some of the original
53 CODC10 : IAH-BRU is well within the range of the 767-300ER. It's also comfortable for the 767-400ER, but a bit closer to the upper limit of that aircraft's op
54 TOMMY767 : How is a noisy, shaky prop an improvement over an ERJ? EWR-ALB might not be able to support 737 service but other cities such as BUF definitely can.
55 CALPSAFltSkeds : Oops, it looks like CO started IAH-CDG before 2000, started IAH-AMS in 2002 and they entered SkyTeam in 2004. However, my guess is that capacity was
56 gigneil : Have you been on one? The Q400 is much more pleasant than an ERJ, it makes hardly any noise, and doesn't shake one bit. NS
57 blueflyer : AA couldn't make it work, but perhaps it was a case of trying too soon. When SN got in, with code-shares on AA to provide connections, they were doin
58 Drerx7 : It was. IAH-CDG went from DC10 to 767 then to 777 with Skyteam. Now for the winter its just a 762 and AF is daily down from double daily. KL is a lit
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