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JFK T3: When Is It Closing For Good?  
User currently offlineNorthstarBoy From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1812 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 6516 times:
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The question pretty much speaks for itself:

Does anyone know when JFK T-3 is scheduled to permanently close?

I'd like to visit what I consider to be one of the world's most iconic air terminals and I'd like to know how much time I have to do so.

Thanks in advance for any information available.


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User currently offlinepanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4792 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 6213 times:
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Scheduled for May 2013 when the new T4 is ready for Delta...

User currently onlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8089 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5817 times:
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Why is the PANYNJ so quiet about what will go on the terminal 3 sight ?

User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3634 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5788 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 2):

Why is the PANYNJ so quiet about what will go on the terminal 3 sight ?

Delta and the PANYNJ have stated that the space occupied by T3 will be converted to hardstands.



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User currently onlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8089 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4965 times:
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Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 3):
Delta and the PANYNJ have stated that the space occupied by T3 will be converted to hardstands.

Yah for about 250 days, with JFK bursting at the seems the T3 sight is prime for an extension of T4 or T1( if T2 is torn down).


User currently offlineNorthstarBoy From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1812 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4201 times:
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thanks for the info panamair. I know many people deride T-3 as being a dump, but it is the last vestige of Pan Am and IMO it will be a very sad day when it finally does close.


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User currently offlinerwy04lga From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3105 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4150 times:

You'll see some great shots of the original T3 tonight, when ABC premiers 'Pan Am' at 10pm ET. Albeit CG, it looks fantastic and brings back some good memories!


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User currently offlineplanetime From Singapore, joined Mar 2006, 719 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4028 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 4):
Yah for about 250 days, with JFK bursting at the seems the T3 sight is prime for an extension of T4 or T1( if T2 is torn down).

Is T-2 slated for any renovation or modification other than the connection for T4? Was there couple months ago looks to be in bad shape T2. Also seems like only the extension of T4 will be on the t4b not t4a side where EK and other airlines come in. Is there any plan for that to be extended on the other end because that seems like a small area for all those airlines.


User currently offlineteneriffe77 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 458 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3918 times:

I still think that they should tear t-2 down as it's an overcrowded mess especially at the end where the DL Connection flights are as there is hardly any seating for the many flights that often depart at one time and many people have to sit on the floor. Also it can be confusing w/ using just 2 gates that are next to each other for multiple departures as it can be hard to tell which gate a flight is departing from. What would be ideal is having a having a DL Connection/domestic departure terminal where the apron between T2 and T3 is.

User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3634 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3859 times:

Quoting planetime (Reply 7):
Is T-2 slated for any renovation or modification other than the connection for T4? Was there couple months ago looks to be in bad shape T2.

T2 will be renovated as part of the plans.



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User currently onlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 11918 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3829 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 4):
Yah for about 250 days, with JFK bursting at the seems the T3 sight is prime for an extension of T4 or T1( if T2 is torn down).

I wouldn't be surprised in the long term if the T3 area got used for something more than hardstands, but in the near term JFK really isn't bursting at the seams. Note PANYNJ just ripped down T6 just to get some room for future T5 expansion and for some more hard stands.



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User currently offlinerwy04lga From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3105 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3819 times:

As I've said before, they should tear down only the late 60's addition and keep the original rotunda as an RJ terminal, extending T2 past where the RJs are now.


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User currently offlinegaystudpilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 450 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3746 times:

Current work on T4 is phase one only and will include a connector extending past the to be demolished T3 to T2. There is a second unfunded phase two T4 expansion on the drawing board only. I wouldn't be surprised if at *some point* the current T2 structure, renovated as part of phase one or not, is torn down and the space is used in conjunction with (the hard stand) T3 space for a new terminal facility.

Questions:
Please refresh my memory, what is the net gain/loss of gates for T2, T3, T4 (A and B) with phase one? With phase two?

Do we know the extent of renovation work on T2? If so, what is it? Is the work slated as part of phase one or phase two?

[Edited 2011-09-25 09:36:22]

User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11116 posts, RR: 62
Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3719 times:

Quoting NorthstarBoy (Reply 5):
I know many people deride T-3 as being a dump, but it is the last vestige of Pan Am and IMO it will be a very sad day when it finally does close.

It is sad because of the legacy and history of aviation that it represents, but not as sad as the state the current terminal is in today. It's just bad. Flying through their recently, I was stunned at how bad T3 looked.


User currently offlineTSS From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 3045 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3651 times:

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 11):
As I've said before, they should tear down only the late 60's addition and keep the original rotunda as an RJ terminal, extending T2 past where the RJs are now.

Sounds great except for two minor details:
1. It's badly located since runway 4L/22R opened.
2. It leaks like a sieve.



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User currently offlinewashingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3610 times:

Quoting TSS (Reply 14):
1. It's badly located since runway 4L/22R opened.

Runway 31L/13R was there before T2 and T3.


User currently offlinenomadic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 415 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3489 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 13):
It is sad because of the legacy and history of aviation that it represents, but not as sad as the state the current terminal is in today. It's just bad. Flying through their recently, I was stunned at how bad T3 looked.

With all of the comments posted here about the poor condition of T# I was expecting something horrible when I passed through there several weeks ago. It was actually in better condition than I thought it would be but certainly far from the beautifil building of days gone by. One thing that surprised me was how small the security checkpoit is. My flight was a mid-morning departure so it was rather quiet and the wait was minimal. I can't imagine what it must be like during the peak evening hours. The lines must go on forever.

It was both sad and nostalgic to be back inside the old "World Port". In the 60s and 70's before strict security, my family and friends would often go to the airport just to have dinner there! (Eastern, The International Arrivals Building, TWA and American also had restaurants with good food and great views of the field.) You could also stand right next to the departure gates in the rotunda and watch as passengers boarded for Rome, Frankfurt, Bombay.......

Maybe if the new 'Pan Am' series is a success, there might be a call to save T3.....once people discover just what an amazing building it was.

Quoting teneriffe77 (Reply 8):
I still think that they should tear t-2 down as it's an overcrowded mess especially at the end where the DL Connection flights are as there is hardly any seating for the many flights that often depart at one time and many people have to sit on the floor. Also it can be confusing w/ using just 2 gates that are next to each other for multiple departures as it can be hard to tell which gate a flight is departing from.

I agree that T2 is indeed a mess, particularly the Connection departure area. The last time I passed through here, many flights were delayed and the place was in chaos. As teneriffe77 noted, there is not much room at the best of times but this day was bedlam. The staff was trying to dispatch 17 flights in 30 minutes from 2 gates. Crowds were jammed into a small area. No one could hear what flight had been called. Lots of pushing, kicking, ( I was expecting slapping and hair pulling too..) What a horrible start to my trip. The T2 Connection gates are an embarrassment to Delta and the City of New York.


User currently onlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8089 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3227 times:
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Quoting Revelation (Reply 10):
I wouldn't be surprised in the long term if the T3 area got used for something more than hardstands, but in the near term JFK really isn't bursting at the seams. Note PANYNJ just ripped down T6 just to get some room for future T5 expansion and for some more hard stands

Whatever expansion JB has on to the T6 sight, T7 will be part of future plans since BA has only 3 years left on its lease. JFK has lots of developable land with T3, T6 and T7 lots available.


User currently offlineB727FA From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 709 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2942 times:

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 11):
As I've said before, they should tear down only the late 60's addition and keep the original rotunda as an RJ terminal, extending T2 past where the RJs are now.

Cheers! I want them to save the rotunda. The rest of T3 can go... What I don't understand is how they plan to "connect" T2 and T4...with pack mules and wagon trains? That's a LONG way to "connect" with a moving walkway tunnel (as indicated in plans available to view.



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User currently offlineCuriousFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 675 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2906 times:

Everytime I used T2-3, I found it very crowded, on top of being a sad crumbling mess. I am not sure how DL will do with just T4 with all their flights, it will be interesting to watch.

T2, T3... they might have been great, the rotunda might have been outstanding in the past... but now they are just a sore. Terrible space management.


User currently onlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 11918 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2819 times:

Quoting CuriousFlyer (Reply 19):
Everytime I used T2-3, I found it very crowded, on top of being a sad crumbling mess. I am not sure how DL will do with just T4 with all their flights, it will be interesting to watch.

T2, T3... they might have been great, the rotunda might have been outstanding in the past... but now they are just a sore. Terrible space management.

As above:

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 9):
T2 will be renovated as part of the plans.

Some more info: http://nycaviation.com/2010/08/delta...esign-plans-image-gallery/?pid=392



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