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Central American Aviation Thread. Part 43  
User currently onlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4584 posts, RR: 4
Posted (3 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 12037 times:



THE CENTRAL AMERICAN AVIATION THREAD
PART XLIII


"Tribute to Aero Costa Rica"

Aero Costa Rica -no longer in service- was an airline based in San Jose from 1992 to 1997.
It began operating two ex-Pan Am Boeing 727-200 and routing SJO-MIA during their first months of service. Two Boeing 737-200s replaced their 722s in 1993 due to fuel consumption issues.
Atlanta, Orlando, San Andres Island and San Pedro Sula were listed in the past, but I’m not sure if these segments worked as regular schedules before.
Aero Costa Rica utilized the ICAO code ML and they introduced the "Arenal Oro" class as the equivalent of business class in those days. As far as I remember, LACSA didn’t offer J seats when ML operated back in the 90s.






Highlights from the Central American scenario:

August 16: DL GUA-ATL. 14x to 7x weekly.
August 20: AA DFW-PTY 1x weekly. Temporary suspended.
August 23. AA SAL-LAX 7x weekly Permanently ceased.
August 24. AM MEX-GUA 7x to 14x weekly. Operated by 5D AeroMexico Connect with ERJ.
August 31. TA LIM-AQP 14x to 21x weekly.
September 01. TA LIM-MEX 6x to 4x weekly. Temporary reduction.
September 19. TA LIM-ANF 3x weekly. Permanently ceased.


Welcome to the new installment into the Cent Am commercial aviation series !


Coming from the old thread:



Quoting SCL767 (Reply 200):
The Argentine ANAC tends to act in a protectionist manner; which deters business travel and tourism. ROS does well with pax connecting to LAX


TA LIM-MDZ was an example of that Argentine protectionism. The flight didn’t last more than six weeks in operation.




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Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 204):
As long as CM and KL code-share on AMS-PTY, for lots of destinations AMS may prove to be a better connecting airport than LHR.


I bet both IB MAD-PTY and KL AMS-PTY will operate on a daily basis someday. Their frequencies are progressing and we can expect further airlines linking Europe and Panama City in the future.

Regards.

[Edited 2011-09-24 13:40:23 by srbmod]


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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 12092 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Thread starter):

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 200):
The Argentine ANAC tends to act in a protectionist manner; which deters business travel and tourism. ROS does well with pax connecting to LAX


TA LIM-MDZ was an example of that Argentine protectionism. The flight didn’t last more than six weeks in operation.


The Argentine aviation market is subject to government intervention in order to "protect" jobs in Argentina. LP applied for LIM-IGR and at the last moment the ANAC decided not to grant permission since LP also applied for LIM-ROS, which now operates daily. LP will increase frequency on the LIM-COR route next year. LA can add flights into the Argentine Republic from Chile with-out issues and AR/AU can add flights into Chile with-out issues. 4M can increase frequencies on more domestic routes and launch regional flights to Chile and Perú as well. For example, LA/4M now operate 7 daily flights into MDZ from AEP and SCL.


User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2678 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 12075 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Thread starter):
Aero Costa Rica -no longer in service- was an airline based in San Jose from 1992 to 1997.

Wasn't Aero Costa Rica popularly known as Aero Pollo as its owner was the owner of a poultry company too?
If they flew SJO-ATL-SJO w/B737-200 wasn't that SJO-ATL weught restricted? And B.T.W., having flown CM 737-200 in 2 class configuration, it was awful then for 100+ passengers to share one lavatory in rear of the aircraft. Those B737-200 didn't have 3 lavatories in the rear.



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User currently offlineMGASJO From Nicaragua, joined Feb 2005, 466 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 12068 times:

La Costeña´s ATR 42-300 YN-CHG had some turbine issues some 10 days ago and it is parked in Puerto Cabezas awaiting a new turbine. In order to help with our operations a C208B from SANSA has come here to help us with the flights. TI-BDL has been covering at least 3 flights a day for the last 7 days. 2 full crews are staying here to man it. It seems the ATR will be back in service in 5 days at the most (we hope!)


C208B
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6292 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 12047 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Thread starter):
ugust 20: AA DFW-PTY 1x weekly. Temporary suspended.

AA just can't seem to get a foot hold on PTY-DFW.....strange.



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User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 696 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 month 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 11971 times:
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Why is it that DFW-GUA is very succesful and DFW-PTY isn't?


avi8
User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2138 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (3 years 1 month 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 11956 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Thread starter):
Atlanta, Orlando, San Andres Island and San Pedro Sula

Also FLL in the mid–nineties.

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Thread starter):
utilized the ICAO code ML

IATA code.. the ICAO designator was AEK.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 2):
Wasn't Aero Costa Rica popularly known as Aero Pollo as its owner was the owner of a poultry company too?

Yes and the infamous Calixto Chaves had no prior aviation experience whatsoever.. one interesting tidbit is that two other names were considered for the airline (Tico Airlines and Aerolíneas Latinoamericanas) which was partly funded with Venezuelan capital.. btw the poultry business would eventually become a subsidiary of meat giant Cargill.

And did you know that Federico Bloch (the Harvard graduate who masterminded the strategy that brought five CentAm carriers together under one umbrella, maintaining traffic rights pursuant to air service agreements negotiated by each of the individual countries but operating as a single entity from an operational standpoint) once admitted to have offered Chaves 20% of LACSA stock in exchange for dropping the Aero Costa Rica project?

Check out the newspaper stories (in Spanish) from when that chaotic experiment came to an abrupt end.. Aero Costa Rica cesó vuelosCCSS pidió quiebra de Aero Costa RicaAerolínea cesó a empleados

Quoting MGASJO (Reply 3):
YN-CHG had some turbine issues some 10 days ago and it is parked in Puerto Cabezas awaiting a new turbine

Any insight on the logistics involved in getting a replacement engine (PW100?) and qualified technicians to PUZ?



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User currently offlineMGASJO From Nicaragua, joined Feb 2005, 466 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 month 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 11872 times:

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 6):
Any insight on the logistics involved in getting a replacement engine (PW100?) and qualified technicians to PUZ?

I still don´t know how the turbine is arriving here. Only UPS flies cargo down here with enough room to bring an engine; but they are very reluctant on bringing dangerous goods here. However the turbine gets here (either by boat or by road from SJO where cargo carriers are abundant) it will be flown to PUZ on Nicaragua´s Air Force AN26 and the failed engine returned to Managua the same way. I assume technicians will be sent here as well; i know our mechanics are good with PT6As but since the ATR is recent here i don´t know if they have what it takes to R&R.



C208B
User currently offlineaer From Guatemala, joined Mar 2004, 1048 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 11677 times:

AA cancelled their DFW-GUA today so SY is doing the run for them with flt 8812. I wish I could go spot them as it would be something new to see at GUA


nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2678 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 11682 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 4):
AA just can't seem to get a foot hold on PTY-DFW.....strange.

IMHO,
1- While there are some out there who really like the DFW flight, most PTY AA-lovers seem to be too much MIA-centric, they plain don't know of the DFW flight or hardly ever consider flying thru DFW.
2- DFW-PTY-DFW is not timed to offer immediate connections to/from AA NRT flights.
I really don't care that much about AA MIA-PTY, but really wish AA the best on any DFW-PTY service and will talk about it so people here in PTY know about it.



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User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 696 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 11644 times:
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Excuse my ignorance, but what airline does SY stand for?


avi8
User currently offlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1206 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 11624 times:

Quoting avi8 (Reply 10):
Excuse my ignorance, but what airline does SY stand for?

Suncountry

Juanchito



Chapin de corazon.
User currently onlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4584 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 11588 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 9):
1- While there are some out there who really like the DFW flight, most PTY AA-lovers seem to be too much MIA-centric, they plain don't know of the DFW flight or hardly ever consider flying thru DFW.


In my view, the higher revenues for American Airlines in Central America are concentrated in Miami.
AA [Cent Am - DFW] caters passengers heading mainly to the US western. Thus, the AA [Cent Am - MIA] flights are free of these travelers and their healthy yields wouldn't be deterred.
On the other hand, CM PTY-LAX has doubled their frequencies offering 2x daily flights whereas AA DFW-PTY operated just one flight a week.




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Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 9):
2- DFW-PTY-DFW is not timed to offer immediate connections to/from AA NRT flights.


Related to the Latin American scenario, deep South America is properly timed for immediate connections to Asia through Dallas/Ft.Worth as they northbound flights do operate as red-eyes: AA GRU-DFW, AA SCL-DFW, AA GIG-DFW and AA EZE-GRU.
This is not the situation for Central America.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 696 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 11579 times:
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The GUA flight is well timed. Good connections are avilable, even the Asian ones.


avi8
User currently onlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4584 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 11543 times:

AA 2162.......GUA 08:20.............DFW 12:45
AA 1998.......SAL 08:20..............DFW 12:50
AA 2166.......SJO 09:40..............DFW 14:55


AA 175..........DFW 09:40............NRT 13:05+1
AA 61............DFW 12:40............NRT 16:10+1


Immediate connections to Tokyo Narita are not possible through Dallas/Ft. Worth given these conditions.
Anyways, I think that traffic is minimal.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 696 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 11490 times:
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I sand corrected! Anyways I have a question here that has never been answered to me. Could a 787 make a direct flight from GUA to MAD for example, or any other European city? I also heard B6 will be announcing routes soon. Wonder what they are  


avi8
User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2138 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11401 times:

AM656 will again be using a mixture of 75% conventional jet fuel and 25% synthetic paraffin biokerosene this evening. Aeroméxico flew its first set of so-called green flights between MEX and SJO about a year ago and plans to do it again now once weekly.


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User currently onlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4584 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 11192 times:

TACA introduces extra frequencies into the [Bogota-San Salvador] service:

TA 290............BOG 05:55..............SAL 07:55.................Tu, Th, Sa
TA 291............SAL 19:30................BOG 23:30...............Mo, We, Fr
Effective: November 16th


As a result, TA SAL-BOG goes from 7x to 10x weekly allowing better connectivity to North and Central America through SAL for those passengers originated at BOG.

Regards.



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2138 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 11074 times:

SJO operator AERIS said the much-awaited public spotting terrace (un mirador para que los ticos revivan la época en que se podía observar los aterrizajes desde la terminal de pasajeros) is ready —should be open within weeks— and that the only hold up now is CETAC approval.


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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6292 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 10996 times:

after announcing BZE-RTB/SAP service starting Dec.....PM seems to have run into some issues with paperwork in Honduras....and may not make the planned start date....might be pushed back to Jan or Feb to allow for enough time to market properly.


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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2138 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 10872 times:

N937TA was involved in a second incident (some of you might recall the first event back in July) while enroute to CCS (again) earlier today.

LR631 reported trouble with the hydraulic system and its crew turned back to SJO (although the aircraft was said to be already over Panamanian airspace) where fire crews quickly sprayed foam to minimize the chance of an explosion.

TACA negó que el derrame fuera de combustible mediante un comunicado. La aerolínea detalló que se trató de un derrame de fluido hidráulico y que no era necesario aplicar la espuma. (airline claims no jet fuel ever spilled just an inconsequential hydraulic fluid leak thus no need for all that sticky foam).


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User currently onlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4584 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 10826 times:

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 18):
SJO operator AERIS said the much-awaited public spotting terrace


Excellent news! The nostalgic terrace at SJO comes to mind around the 70s. If I remember correctly, the old waving gallery was distributed in two levels.
I'm not cleared about where the new observation platform would be located at. Authorities usually stop all non-travelers who are trying to enter at the ticketing building.




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Quoting viaggiare (Reply 20):
TACA negó que el derrame fuera de combustible mediante un comunicado. La aerolínea detalló que se trató de un derrame de fluido hidráulico y que no era necesario aplicar la espuma.


I've heard the news on radio and they declared that some flights heading to SJO were diverted to LIR instead.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 696 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 10806 times:
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I don't know if y'all have heard this but there is a rumor that UA will launch ORD-GUA next year as they do claim there is demand for that route. They will also add a second frequency on Sundays to Newark starting in December from GUA and SAL.

Regards.


Source: http://www.s21.com.gt/pulso-economic...emos-asientos-sino-una-experiencia



avi8
User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2138 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks ago) and read 10697 times:

So now that the Chilean anti-trust court has barred a merged LA/JJ from being in the same alliance as AV/TA, could Star be regretting its decision last year to approve the cartel's membership application?

LATAM deberá renunciar, dentro de un plazo que no exceda 24 meses contados desde la fecha en que se materialice la Operación consultada, al menos a una de las dos alianzas globales en que a esa fecha participan sus partes, LAN y TAM. En ningún caso podrá pertenecer a aquélla en la que también el grupo Avianca/Taca sea miembro o asociado, o se encuentre en proceso de ingresar. (excerpt from the Tribunal de Defensa de la Libre Competencia ruling)



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2138 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 10669 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 21):
where the new observation platform would be located

That would be in the third level (rooftop terrace atop the mezzanine level) between gates 6 and 7 —just find where it says Zona para cafés y nuevo mirador in this diagram..





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25 Post contains images viaggiare : This morning on local radio the Costa Rican ambassador to Panamá hinted Copa will announce LIR in the coming months.
26 Post contains links SCL767 : What is the current situation with CM launching PTY-ROS 3x weekly? The Argentine ANAC recently forced LP to temporarily decrease frequency on the LIM-
27 Post contains links 2travel2know2 : IMHO, CM will not decrease frequencies to COR in order to start ROS. Word is that Panama is negotiating modifications to the Panama-Argentina bilater
28 SCL767 : Hopefully the Argentine ANAC will permit CM to start services to other destinations in the Argentine Republic soon; LP was denied entry into IGR and
29 copa330200 : Great news indeed !!!! is HKG - PTY non stop possible ??
30 2travel2know2 : NO,,my guess is that CX Cargo will fly HKG-PTY via YVR/SFO/LAX.
31 avi8 : I have an out of topic question. How is CM managing to do all these new routes and stuff with just 10 new aircraft? Their new bank is very early in th
32 SJOtoLIR : Copa Airlines started the Cordoba service in 2007 flying some days a week. CM PTY-COR is operating on a daily basis nowadays and it's a clear sign of
33 2travel2know2 : CM will also return to MBJ this December.
34 aer : So not only did CM rebrand the region's President's Club to Copa Club but they're need opening the GUA club, nice finally can get a Priority Pass loun
35 avi8 : I also have a question. Does opening a Presidents club mean that they will expand their service to GUA? If I'm not wrong, they have more flights from
36 aer : Not necessarily since the other Copa Club is in SDQ,
37 juanchito : Nop that does not mean that. GUA has a lot of space to create the Copa Club SJO doesn't have right know maybe in the future with the expansion. Remem
38 aer : As well as CM using the Taca VIP lounges so they may not even build a Copa Club at SJO or SAL for example.
39 2travel2know2 : But in MGA yes. Does LIM already have a Presidents, TA VIP or CM Club ?
40 aer : Dunno, guess a comprehensive list of lounges in the region would be: Presidents Club / Copa Club (United Club) PTY SDQ GUA Taca Sala VIP SAL Admirals
41 2travel2know2 : I remember an independent loungue @ MGA.
42 HR001 : There is a lounge @ TGU for certain creditcard holders.
43 Post contains links viaggiare : Indeed the 5800-square-foot lounge being built on the third level is described by Aeris as un área de 540m2 para albergar a los clientes VIP de las
44 Post contains links viaggiare : Airlines serving SJO and LIR share high expectations for the so-called Million Dollar Gift of Happiness advertising campaign launched today in US/Cana
45 Post contains links MGASJO : Affirmative, it is independent, however Copa gives access to all their business class customers. In other news. A bird hit one of La Costeña's C208B
46 yellowtail : Nasty.....I have seen one of our 208's hit a vulture....but that was the wing.....blood everywhere
47 Post contains images viaggiare : “Todo ocurrió rápido. Cuando vi tenía la camisa con pedazos de sangre y huesos del animal” —bloody messy!
48 yellowtail : Can any of you guys help me out with a listing of the scheduled flights between SAP and TGU. I know TA's but I don't know who else has.... and i need
49 aer : I guess it's TA/Isleña and Aerolineas Sosa. Don't know if there is another domestic carrier in Honduras.
50 yellowtail : I know the TA/Islena schedule but When I try to Sosa website for SAP-TGU flights....non available....they must fly it but I can't seem to find the sc
51 aer : Did you try flightstats.com? It's not all the information but it's something; I always check there for my GUA flight fix. Also just saw in SAP's wiki
52 Post contains images yellowtail : How long before COPA has something to say about this
53 HR001 : CM and TACA regional are the carriers that fly between TGU and SAP.
54 viaggiare : Apparently the initials are a reference to the manager's name (Carlos Murra) and btw Caribbean Airlines might have something to say about a hummingbi
55 yellowtail : I still remember Atlantic Airlines whose logo carried a not so subtle reference to that other AA.
56 Post contains images viaggiare : Indeed, subtle it was not!
57 SJOtoLIR : UA and CM will begin code-share operations as follows: UNITED operated by COPA: Panama City - Chicago [Effective: December 15th] Panama City - Los Ang
58 2travel2know2 : What's the point of a CM flight number on flights between LAX and Hawaii other than LAX-HNL? And that IAD-SEA is probably the only UA flight which ea
59 aer : Ever wonder if AS wold start CentAm flights or AC to expand (not counting their codeshare with TA)?
60 Post contains links 2travel2know2 : CM gets another flight simulator From www.tvn-2.com / in Spanish News is that thanks to the national government CM got a cutting edge brand new B737-8
61 Post contains links viaggiare : AV/TA plans to operate under a single brand by mid-2012.
62 aer : So will AV be the remaining brand? Wonder why they didn't keep it a la AF/KL or IB/BA.
63 2travel2know2 : TA no longer stands for Transportes Aereos de Centro América (Central Americas Air Transport) but for Transportes Aereos del/do Continente Americano
64 viaggiare : I would think so.. not only are the shots called in Bogotá now but initially Avianca brought superior brand recognition and size (plus a better fina
65 viaggiare : TACA is actually paronymous (similar sound but different orthography and meaning) with that four-letter word most Spanish- and Portuguese-speaking ki
66 SJOtoLIR : Related to the Cent Am landscape, Alaska Airlines only manages international offices for reservations in both Panama City and San Jose since some yea
67 AA767LOVER : Once the long anticipated binding to Star Alliance begins, AV/TA along with COPA will give Star members more award choices and accrual than never befo
68 Avi8 : Lima is too valuable for them to de-hub it. They want to become the airline of the Americas and de-hubbing Lima would be a huge mistake. Lima is the f
69 SCL767 : TACA Perú will not "de-hub" LIM. TACA Perú is steadily growing in the Peruvian domestic market; which has become increasingly competitive. It is im
70 viaggiare : BOG being the only hub that is sure to be spared, my guess is either one (LIM) or two (LIM and SJO) hubs will be dismantled at some point in the near
71 SJOtoLIR : TA and AC began a mutual code-share service this year which is another step for TA heading to Star Alliance. I also hopefully expect that the routes
72 SCL767 : Should AV-TA dismantle its LIM hub, it will serve to decrease Star Alliance future presence not only with-in Perú, but also in the Southern Cone. Fo
73 viaggiare : I honestly see little growth in their future.. more like fighting for the chicken feed left behind by LATAM and COPA.
74 AA767LOVER : Let's talk TACA for a moment - in terms of CENTRAL AMERICA'S hubs, and then the relationship to AVIANCA and the strategic opportunities it will bring
75 SCL767 : BOG will always be AV's fortress hub, while LIM will always be a LATAM fortress hub. AV will most likely code-share with its fellow Star Alliance par
76 Avi8 : If it weren't for the runaway, i'd say GUA would be the best hub for TACA in CA with an empty airport at their disposicion and a strong O&D market
77 yellowtail : TA will never abandon SAL for GUA....for many of the reasons listed already. Way too many ego attachements to SAL. Bloch would bring an earthquake up
78 2travel2know2 : TA/AV most likely won't de-hub SAL, there are those reasons linked to TA origins or the area SAL has to grow but also it must be taken into account th
79 AA767LOVER : You're right in that it barely offers any connections. In fact, any sensible connections other than TGU or SAP on ATR-42s. Maybe MGA. LAX-GUA-SJO on
80 AA767LOVER : Poor bloke! I didn't know that he died. That's sad. A visionary leader indeed. SAL could use MAJOR overhaul of its facilities. Corruption is rife, so
81 aer : But AV used to stand for Aerovías Nacionales de Colombia S.A., and currently Aerovías del Continente Americano S.A. so go figure. Also last I heard
82 yellowtail : This happened some time ago.
83 aer : I know, it's just the last thing I heard about them LOL
84 RCS763AV : LIM is the reason Avianca merged with TACA. SAL is also a very profitable hub with no meaningful competition, where TA charges whatever they want for
85 aer : There is a tropical depression entering Guatemala throughout the Pacific, TA morning flights were diverted to SAL or held off until the fog cleared. H
86 viaggiare : I always assumed TACA was heavily indebted but do you have any supporting figures and/or verifiable sources?
87 Post contains images SJOtoLIR : Agreed ! Some years ago, a press release related to the forthcoming development at SAL was posted in this forum. Nothing is happening. . That would n
88 AA767LOVER : Yes, there is overlap, and apparently, I would much rather fly north to BOG to catch an A330 to EZE for the 6.5 hour flight south rather than fly LIM-
89 SCL767 : Why does AV have to defend its fortress from LAN since LAN will never be the dominant carrier at BOG? LAN just wants to ensure healthy competition an
90 viaggiare : During the afternoon nap, I dreamt that AV was on food stamps and had to dismantle the SJO hub in order to cut down operating costs.. then a planeloa
91 SCL767 : The airfares between BOG and AUA, CUR, PTY, SJO, etc. are extremely high, (around 500USD), and these are very short flights. If you compare those far
92 Post contains links 2travel2know2 : IB increases passeger numbers to PTY From www.prensa.com / in Spanish. Spanish airline IB has increased its number of PTY passenegers by 54% compared
93 Post contains links RCS763AV : Something like this 2009 event only happens to a carrier which is having serious cashflow issues: http://www.elheraldo.hn/Pa%C3%ADs/li...sta-cumplien
94 SCL767 : I never stated that LAN would surpass AV at BOG; however TA has neglected the Peruvian domestic market for years; whereas LAN has not, and has contin
95 viaggiare : I agree.. the combination of bad karma and COPA's aggressive growth brought them down.. good thing Efromovich bailed them out. I keep hearing TACA mi
96 yellowtail : but CM did join Star. I maintain that within five years we will see either CM or TA/AV leave Star to go to Skyteam. My bet is that the latter bolts.
97 RCS763AV : You implied it by asking a double sided question. It have noted in some of their decisions that some kind of mid-level management is still pushing fo
98 SCL767 : Why would LAN want to be in the same alliance as the Avianca-Taca group? Their management styles are completely different and they may not share the
99 RCS763AV : They didn't expand before AV took over as they needed the expertise. And even though CUZ went from 1x a day to 3x a day in this period, they have gro
100 SCL767 : That's AV-TA's choice, LP has been operating in the Peruvian domestic market for over 12 years and has steadily built up its market-share over the ye
101 2travel2know2 : Ages ago, when there were written or printed tickets, CM had matching fares w/ TA (for routes between PTY and Central America and within Centralameri
102 SJOtoLIR : The relationship AV-LH and AV-UA started once the merger TA-AV was announced in the past. Thus, AV-TA is still closer to Star Alliance than any other
103 viaggiare : Kriete and those around him became so obsessed (even neurotic) with their archrival's exponential success (and so frustrated with their own failures)
104 2travel2know2 : If that is so true, it definitely proves that CM owners and management do think quite different than TA's. I wonder what level of distrust CM's top p
105 viaggiare : Clearly egos within TACA are hurting (and not just at the top as sources tell me folks down the management structure are not hiding their contempt fo
106 Avi8 : Does anyone know how the loads on MEX-GUA are doing now that Aeromexico downgraded it to E190, Interjet to 1 daily and TACA to 10 weekly?
107 juanchito : August results (low season) Airline....................Pax..............Market Share.......................+/-July11..............Load/Factor Aeromé
108 Avi8 : Wow Interjet is bleeding in this route. There's a lot of perseverance going on there. I don't know if these results are good or bad. Are any making a
109 2travel2know2 : There used to be a time when CM did care a bit about what TA (and the other Central American airlines) thought. Those were other long gone times and
110 viaggiare : Not any more.. there is zero love now after years of cold shoulder and indifference.. according to a longtime industry insider, COPA firmly believes
111 Avi8 : How many daily flughts does CM have from PTY? My guess is that Star alliance carriers prefer a solid hub with a variety of destinations along with sch
112 yellowtail : any of you guys going to CATM in PTY next week? Big Parrot subsidized event on CM home turf!
113 juanchito : This was still the 2 daily flights lets see how they work with 1 daily. Juanchito
114 Post contains links RCS763AV : Both PTY and BOG offer a very wide schedule. BOG carries much more passengers than PTY though, but PTY serves more international destinations sometim
115 aer : But which one is more reputable outside of Colombia? I mean it's like writing an article about reputable Guatemalan brands, you have to place Paiz, G
116 RCS763AV : As I said, it is something to consider, given that Colombia itself has a larger population than all of the countries in central america, where TACA i
117 2travel2know2 : Unquestionable fact. Didn't LH already had years of flying to BOG? If so, Why then LH would venture to PTY, specially if by that time CM got to codes
118 Avi8 : Panama City is so close that some passengers from Colombia connect in PTY to go to another Colombian city.
119 RCS763AV : Completely agree, those are the reasons why LH started BOG, except that they also started it because they wanted to show AV that they believed in the
120 Post contains links and images viaggiare : So true.. not nicknamed the parrot cartel fer nuthin', ya know. I'd wager they might go with a conciliatory branding approach (a mashup similar to th
121 Avi8 : I've always wondered, How many Propeller Fokkers does Avianca still have? How many engine fokkers? When will they be entirely replaced?
122 RCS763AV : 10 Fokker-50-30s still flying strong after 18 years of first delivery, the only 10 examples of this version especially designed for high altitude tak
123 yellowtail : Honduras start date (RTB and GUA) has been pushed back from Dec 15 to March 1 to allow for proper marketing of the route. RTB-BZE especially will rel
124 viaggiare : Cool.. not used to seeing otherwise comparable ventures in CentAm (TAG, Air Panamá, Nature Air, etc) purchase brand new aircraft, let alone 208s.
125 Post contains links 2travel2know2 : Future Rio Hato MPRH Airport doesn't have an emergency plan yet From www.prensa.com / in Spanish Seems that even after the bid for Rio Hato airport ru
126 yellowtail : PM now buys all its (208) aircraft new....not a cheap proposition...but it is worthwhile....they may look like the competitions from outside but insi
127 SJOtoLIR : Absolutely! . I didn't understand that statement very clear. Are the loads referring to MW BZE-FRS and then TAG (FRS-GUA) ? Regards.
128 yellowtail : MW no longer flies outside of Belize (despite being listed on the SAP arrivals website)..so that reference was for PM. PMs BZE-FRS-GUA (TAG chartered
129 Post contains links aer : Looks like AM's flights to GUA will get an A/C swap from the E190 to an MD87 according to flight aware . Guess they're tweaking the flights to find th
130 viaggiare : The impotant thing is they're building demand (loads from November onward should improve and then comes prophetic 2012) so eventually the time shall
131 Avi8 : I thought aeromexico had already retired the MD87's
132 aer : Might have a few, but it seems that it's only temporary since they had to cancel some flights due to the heavy rains and may be only a measure to acc
133 SJOtoLIR : For the first time, I stand confused reading your post number 123 as it might imply MW operating international flights out of Belize. . The level of
134 Avi8 : Condor from 25JUN12 to 22OCT12 is introducing 2nd weekly service to Panama City, on board Boeing 767-300ER. Service operates twice weekly Frankfurt
135 2travel2know2 : What's going on with CM? CM announces new routes and before they start CM is upgrading the aircraft to be flown? Looking at that I just wish CM would
136 Post contains images yellowtail : OK....to be clear MW does not operate outside of Belize anymore (with the exception of the odd charter to RTB). Except PM has unlimited baggage. That
137 viaggiare : Amazing development to go along with the new Copa Club.. CM is kicking butt (and ruffling some feathers) in GUA. OMG there's nooo escaping that fried
138 Post contains images yellowtail : Just share it around....
139 SJOtoLIR : Thanks for sharing! DE FRA-SDQ-PTY is currently operating on a weekly basis and it will experience a seasonal upgrade next year. On the other hand, D
140 copa330200 : does current treatments allows CM to increase frequencies ??
141 2travel2know2 : When it comes to the Panama-Canada bilateral, CM got into an iron clad contract, again. CM scheduled frequencies to Canada seem to be restricted to 4
142 Post contains images copa330200 : thanks for the quick answer based on your anwer I'm not sure to understand if restrictions applies to all Canada or YYZ only ? I mean can CM pen othe
143 2travel2know2 : 4 frequencies to ALL of Canada, being used for YYZ. A "big change" from 3 weekly scheduled frequencies to either YMX or YVR for Panamanian airlines i
144 RCS763AV : Colombia and Canada do not have a formal bilateral agreement, so things are ruled by the reciprocity principle. Each country will grant the other as
145 2travel2know2 : Which also probably means it'll be up to 5 non-stop flights from Colombia to Canada.
146 Post contains images SJOtoLIR : The pics posted below are featuring the TACA logo at SJO: Regards.
147 Post contains links viaggiare : Authorities at SJO are investigating reports of a bomb threat on an outbound TA flight this evening.. details remain sketchy but apparently the aircra
148 Post contains links viaggiare : So after thoroughly searching the aircraft and all of the baggage no explosives were found.. officials suspect that it may have been a hoax either to
149 Post contains links and images copa330200 : Iberia aumentará a cinco sus vuelos directos semanales a Panamá http://www.panamaamerica.com.pa/peri...l/hoy-interna.php?story_id=1108550 IB will in
150 SJOtoLIR : IB PTY-MAD [One World] needs to match the dedicated services supplied by KL PTY-AMS [SkyTeam] which is now operating as 6x weekly. KL has put its code
151 SCL767 : Not really, KL uses CM at PTY for connections to other destinations in Latin America; whereas IB uses AV, G3 and LAN for certain connections. IB is e
152 Summa767 : Not long to wait until KLM makes AMS-PTY daily. In fact, just a week! As far as I can see it will remain a daily service next summer too (still progr
153 Avi8 : I thought Iberia was short on aircraft. Anyways this is still great news for PTY!
154 Post contains links and images copa330200 : http://www.prensa.com/impreso/iberia-aumentara-vuelos/34266 on this note they say that LH management was in Panama last week to explore options to con
155 Avi8 : It is admirable how one of the smallest countries in CA (population) can grow so much. Go Panama!
156 Summa767 : The A330-200 would have no problem with that route being that Panama has no altitude issues. But LH has no A330-200, only -300s, so A340 it would mos
157 Avi8 : Why will Iberia be short of aircraft in the next few days and next year?
158 Summa767 : They are returning an A343 shortly, and at least one more next year, with no replacement. Hence we will see overall cuts in long haul flying -though
159 SJOtoLIR : This might explain how the tiny service called TA LIN-ANF 3x weekly was dropped in September allowing the possibility to connect it soon by means of
160 Avi8 : "CM has posted several expansions from December 2011 out of PTY." What are those expansions?
161 SJOtoLIR : New routes: December 11. CM PTY-MBJ. 2x weekly. December 15. CM PTY-ORD 7x weekly. December 15. CM PTY-ASU 4x weekly. December 16. CM/P5 PTY-CUC 4x w
162 SCL767 : IB serves PTY with its own metal. IB operates its own flights into GUA, SAL, SJO, SJU, and LIM. IB routes pax traveling to/from MGA and TGU via MIA o
163 SJOtoLIR : TACA also offers flights on behalf of IB in selected routes such as SJO-MGA, SJO-GUA, SJO-SAL, SJO-PTY, SAL-SAP and so on. Speaking about the Central
164 yellowtail : How are the SAL loads for IB?
165 Post contains links juanchito : Look at this video of Copa Airlines been struck by lightning in SKRG http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgVaDoUyq48 Juanchito
166 juanchito : I don't remember where I read it but the triangular flight MAD-GUA-SAL-GUA was around 85% Loadfactor Juanchito
167 Post contains links viaggiare : Amazing.. those two rampers closest to the aircraft were pretty lucky, considering some 30,000 amps of charge were conducted through that fuselage..
168 Post contains links and images copa330200 : from today's Prensa: http://www.prensa.com/impreso/interes-en-charter-desde-brasil/34416 basically it says that in the coming days a Brazil delegation
169 2travel2know2 : G3 charters? G3 flying scheduled to PTY may make more sense. but probably that will be the outcome of those Brazilians coming to PTY. Looks like CM s
170 viaggiare : I see all the telltale signs of G3 charters using Varig-branded equipment.
171 SJOtoLIR : The bilateral treaty between Panama and Brazil is not even utilized from the Brazilian side whereas many weekly frequencies already work from the Pan
172 Post contains links juanchito : News from TAG, taken from their Facebook page. http://www.facebook.com/transportes.aereosguatemaltecos Juanchito
173 HNLsurfer : DId UA ever run WB's down to GUA? Because I flew from GUA to LAX in 2004 on what I remember a WB. Could I have been wrong? Someone help because it has
174 aer : That's cool, but I wonder if that means that they'll get an IATA code and a call sign and if the flights will be from FRS or GUA.
175 SJOtoLIR : Some changes on American Airlines in Central America during the 2011 IATA Winter season: Miami - Liberia: Service operates 13x weekly. Increase from 9
176 HNLsurfer : Thanks, Probably was a 757....
177 yellowtail : GUA as far as I know.
178 juanchito : I only remember the 757 on that route, there is a legent that they send once a 747-400. Juanchito
179 AA767LOVER : To break the legend, UA 889 had historically been a 757. I am the lucky holder of a OAG Latin America Edition for the year 2000. UA 889 operated a 757
180 aer : And what about the code and call sign, or are they not really mandatory for international operations?
181 AA767LOVER : Can AA Eagle operate MIA-FRS using CRJ-700s with mixed class?
182 aer : If they wish and if the US DOT approves their blanket open skies request.
183 AA767LOVER : I doubt that would ever happen. FRA-PTY using LH aircraft? FRA-MIA-PTY is possible, but nonstop? I have doubts. SJOtoLIR, do you see any possibility
184 SJOtoLIR : LH actually flies the FRA-BOG segment with 346. FRA-PTY: 4911nm FRA-BOG: 4907nm Source: The Great Circle Mapper. . In my view, KL AMS-PTY 7x weekly w
185 aer : So I went to precheck for a flight with TA today and the lady at the counter requested to see my ESTA printout (I travel with a German passport). Is t
186 Post contains links taichen : I don't know if this has been discussed before here ... Easysky is the new "low cost" airline operating in Honduras. It is actually a rebrand/name cha
187 Post contains links and images viaggiare : She was either poorly trained and/or too lazy to follow proper procedure.. the Department of Homeland Security communicates your ESTA status to carri
188 aer : Guess so because she really wouldn't precheck me with out it.
189 aer : I'm at the Copa Club at GUA very crisp, new and ... empty lol off hours for CM & CO flights but a good option.
190 MSYtristar : Word from MSY is that a new international destination will be announced soon. Maybe the city will see the return of nonstop service to Central America
191 Post contains images juanchito : From another forum I got this image, rumors are that was the presentation of the A330 to Taca. Juanchito
192 mt99 : Thats is a really ugly poster. ..
193 viaggiare : And if their budget and/or creativity is so limited that instead of commissioning their own photo shoot they are forced to use stock photography, the
194 Post contains images yellowtail : I would like to go on record to state we are going to see some surprise route announcements in 2012 and at least one big new name to the region.
195 Post contains images viaggiare : That's it? No hints? [Edited 2011-10-28 19:48:49]
196 Post contains images mt99 : You should offer up your services as model
197 Post contains images SJOtoLIR : I've read the same history on TA for years since the Katrina event. TA has flown the SAP-MSY sector as isolated charter services. In 2007 was rumored
198 Post contains images viaggiare : I would look so unmotivated doing anything to forward their cause, that they would have to put me inside one of these..
199 AA767LOVER : I looked into the question of UA operating WBs on the LAX-GUA route. No, it did not. Pan Am operated PA 513 (based on my November 1972 OAG Internation
200 Post contains links and images SJOtoLIR : Pan Am operated a base in Guatemala City consisting in 707s and 747s. As far as I remember, the comprehensive list of routes was discussed in earlier
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