flybynight From Norway, joined Jul 2003, 1004 posts, RR: 3 Posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 10904 times:
Living in Seattle I fly Alaska a fair amount, some on longer flights as well (4+ hours).
While the 737's are nice, new and comfortable, I would love to see some PTV's coming one day. I classify Alaska as a nice airlines, but with very few thrills.
Any plans on upgrading those interiors in any manner (yes I know I can rent a digi player).
Also, when I get upgraded (I am Gold) I am certainly thankful, but AS' First Class is pretty medicore.
toobz From Finland, joined Jan 2010, 694 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 10820 times:
I don't think they will be getting PTVs anytime soon. I would venture to guess that they're typical flight is around 2 hours. Obviously Hawaii runs and the few transcons they have run longer, but I think it's a pretty big investment and it's not gonna happen.
seabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 4718 posts, RR: 4 Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 10770 times:
Alaska has much better ways to spend its capital than buying fancy in-seat IFE systems. I'd be shocked if it ever happens. They've always had the portable player option on longer flights, for those people who start getting the jitters if they don't have their TV fix for four hours.
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HiFlyerAS From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 744 posts, RR: 2 Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 10649 times:
Not going to happen anytime soon. The trend definitely is people bringing their own toys for entertainment. The big, long-haul int'l carriers need PTV's but not AS. They add weight and increase CASM. If you're bored buy an iPad!
DeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8821 posts, RR: 12 Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 10370 times:
AS has wi-fi on pretty much all their 737s. That's much better than most airlines out there for IFE options.
I'd much rather have wi-fi than a PTV. As we move into the next decade, more or more it will be airlines having wi-fi and letting the users choose their own content, rather than the airlines provide it. Takes out licensing fees, weight, maintenance of systems, etc.
Mr737sjtc From United States of America, joined Aug 2011, 22 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 10250 times:
I say bring a book, laptop or if you are a.netter like us get a window seat and watch the beauty of flight. Alaska has great service and one of the best looking cabins in my opinion. I always enjoy the flying and I think it is sad that people cannot spend a few hours on a plane without TV or their phones, communication. Wow how times have certainly changed.
odysseus9001 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 126 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 10199 times:
I will take an unpopular position and say that after a few hours of reading or watching the world from the window, I'd like to put aside the book and watch a movie or satellite tv. So, yes, I like avod. I know the airline insiders are desperate to squeeze the customer for more $ for their own pockets, but customers don't appreciate the relentless assault on the simple enjoyment of the experience of flying. If you take it away, the customers will squeeze the airlines for $ through LCCs (after all, at this point, what IS the difference between the legacies and LCCs?).
I don't have time between flights to screw around with constantly customizing content on an i-pod--my work and personal life are simply too busy for amassing movies and music and planning what movie I will watch on my next flight. I'm more worried about getting my analysis, presentations, and reports done, talking to my wife, or solving the various problems of life. So, its nice during the one time I get some quiet, to simply explore what is on avod. I also really appreciate moving map. It shortens my trip, and helps know what I am flying over, if its an area I've not flown over before.
So, I reject out of hand the notion that avod should simply be tossed aside. I think there are ways to improve delivery and weight of the systems, but I do not favor their elimination.
Try telling that to just about anyone under 30 and they'll look at you strange. Bob Dylan: "Your sons and your daughters are beyond your command, the old road is rapidly aging, please get out of the new one If you can't lend your hand
For the times they are a-changin'."
(But a good book is actually better for the brain...)
spacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3365 posts, RR: 13 Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 9228 times:
Quoting odysseus9001 (Reply 11): I will take an unpopular position and say that after a few hours of reading or watching the world from the window, I'd like to put aside the book and watch a movie or satellite tv.
Hey, some of us do agree with you. But I will say that I understand the position that it's not as necessary on short flights. I've even flown transcon with no PTV's a couple of times lately (after being spoiled by avod on trans-pacific flights) and didn't really miss it all that much. But I would have been happier to have it than not, and I would pay extra for it. Heck, I *have* paid extra for it. And on a flight longer than 4 hours or so, yes, it's practically a must these days.
I do "get" that AS specifically is mostly a regional airline with short flights so they're not going to outfit a bunch of planes with avod and then limit them to a couple of long routes.
But as a general thing, I don't think avod is going anywhere anytime soon. I don't see any "trend" towards people using their own stuff unless they're forced to do so. Like I said, I've flown some long routes lately both with and without PTV's and AVOD. On planes without, yes, you see some people using their own stuff, but you also see people staring straight ahead bored out of their skulls for hours on end, you see people trying to uncomfortably sleep, you see people doing things like flicking their tray tables repeatedly out of boredom. On planes with avod, you see a lot of people watching the avod system. I have rarely seen more than one or two people using an iPad or other device to watch a movie when avod is available. One great thing about avod is being able to watch movies you don't have and would have never thought to get for yourself. I love being able to watch stuff that I thought looked mildly interesting when it was out but not enough to buy a ticket or rent it - a plane is the perfect place to catch up on stuff like that.
And yeah, I look for flights that have avod and I have paid extra for it. And I've even attempted to buy a movie when it wasn't free, once... although the system had a broken credit card reader at my seat. So, $6 that Delta didn't get from me, or anyone else that sat at my seat before or after.
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Bring your laptop. They have Wifi on all 737's, except 9 734's, which only fly shorter flights up and down the coast and intra-Alaska routes, with the exception of a 4 hour ANC-SEA flight. But of the multiple daily flights they offer in that market, only a small percentage are the 734. If it's important enough to you, then make sure you book a 73G, 738 or 739.
chopchop767 From Italy, joined Aug 2010, 226 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 8180 times:
It was several month ago, but when I flew on AS from SEA to BOS, they had the personal tv/laptops that you could rent for the flight. I can't recall how much it cost, but it definitely helped as the flight certainly wasn't negligible in terms of distance. Do they still have those?
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 12): I understand your point of view, but AS's interiors are very adequate for their marketplace.
While the interiors are a bit dated, I'll agree, I would still say that they're very comfortable and clean. Moreover, AS' service, both onboard and in the air, I would rate as consistently higher than the other legacies. It's unfortunate that UA no longer has any kind if mileage agreement with them.
B737900 From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 164 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 6931 times:
Quoting N62NA (Reply 19): Quoting RWA380 (Reply 17):
They have Wifi on all 737's, except 9 734's
Next week I'll be flying SEA - BOS - SEA on AS. Great news. Until reading this post I was not aware that I would have WiFi. Better charge up my NetBook. Thanks for the info. I always love and posts about Alaska Airlines. One of the best! Regards.
[Edited 2011-09-25 08:14:09]
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WNCrew From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1373 posts, RR: 9 Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6169 times:
Compared to most other US carriers, I find Alaska Airlines' interiors to be some of the most beautiful and CONSISTENT! Everything from the wall-panels, the galley coloring and the bulkhead carpet all play so well together along with the FA's uniforms etc. It's a wonderfully classy design that I find very timeless.
ALL views, opinions expressed are mine ONLY and are NOT representative of those shared by Southwest Airlines Co.
carls From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 522 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6053 times:
Quoting kanban (Reply 7):
A plane is to get you between points A and B, not about making it thrilling...
Tell this to Singapore Airlines,Virgin Atlantic, Cathay Pacific, Emirates, Qatar, Lufthansa, Swiss, etc, ect, etc to both management and customers. The only thing right in your statement is that planes are to get you from point A to point B.
Which means then it probably doesn't make financial sense for AS to spend all the money on IFE if its "unpopular".
Quoting odysseus9001 (Reply 11): So, yes, I like avod. I know the airline insiders are desperate to squeeze the customer for more $ for their own pockets, but customers don't appreciate the relentless assault on the simple enjoyment of the experience of flying. If you take it away, the customers will squeeze the airlines for $ through LCCs (after all, at this point, what IS the difference between the legacies and LCCs?).
Airlines are a business to make money. If it made sense to invest in IFE AS certainly would. With AS being profitable, (most) customers ostensibly don't have a problem with the "relentless assault".
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25 WNCrew: The same relentless assault that the customer often forget, is, in part driven by their own wallets.
26 kanban: In this 'entertain me because I am unable to entertain myself' world, the Sky interiors will only be a momentary uplifting. In six months people will
27 PGNCS: Certainly is. WiFi has had a bigger impact onboard than I expected, but it's logical in that you can pick your content precisely. Seems logical to me
28 B737900: As stated in previous posts, it makes little sense to outfit an a/c with IFE when most of AS routs are relatively short. For the longer coast-to-coast
29 flybynight: Wifi works pretty well for sure and it is actually free right now for a few weeks. But I doubt Wifi works on Hawaii flight. For the person who said fl
30 Jacobin777: The internet and the easy ability to check fares, etc. has added to this situation as well. That being said, its up to the carriers to adjust to the
31 malioil: If the aircraft has the LCD screens that are lowered from the ceiling for the safety announcements, etc. a relatively inexpensive option would be to r
32 odysseus9001: I didn't mean unpopular with paying customers, as you well know. Paying customers prefer flights with AVOD. I meant unpopular with you. The context o
33 chrisair: Some new F seats that aren't made out of concrete would be nice. If they kept the F seats in the 739 across the fleet, I know a lot of F pax would be
34 timpdx: What I don't get is why some airline has not just licensed a bunch of content, put it on ipads, and handed those to customers with or without a fee. Y
35 Jacobin777: So was mine. AS has decided (for better or worse) people such as yourself who are willing to pay more/extra money for IFE doesn't justify the expense
36 WNCrew: AS does just this. On longer flights they have Dig-E Players available for rental (or you can pre-reserve them). They're pre-loaded with content and
37 odysseus9001: And yet, other companies are profitable and they have installed avod on long flights. Offering customers less service is not a sign of strength, espe
38 odwyerpw: Thank you. Personally, I dont want the price of my tickets to reflect an IFE I dont need to use. Bring a book. Bring an ipod.
39 Jacobin777: Really? So now you are telling us here that you know more how to run AS than the current profitable management does? Maybe it should occur to you dif
40 hatbutton: If you're thinking of long haul airlines then it's not fair to compare to a regional airline with a shorter average stage length to them. Over the la
41 woodsboy: Back in 1999 AS outfitted a new 737-700 with IFE to market test it with passengers. I recall getting the "news" over the OPS printer and then it was a
42 ASFlyer: I realize that it's been said but it bears repeating. Alaska has the second highest profit margin in the U.S. airline industry. Allegiant has the hig
43 EA CO AS: And yet consumer buying behavior suggests just the opposite - they make their purchasing decisions based on price and schedule, first and foremost. F
44 HiFlyerAS: I don't know who you are but I've worked for AS for 26 years and have absolutely no recollection of this. There was NEVER any installation of a hardw
45 BoeingGuy: Depends on your definition of "service". I find AS to have the best overall service of any domestic airline. If you call, someone answers the phone p
46 canoecarrier: I flew Flight 66 from CDV-YAK-JNU-SEA a week and a half ago and it had wifi, it was even free this month due to some kind of deal with Bank of Americ
47 B737900: But isn't it great breaking out after twenty minutes decending through thick overcast and being lined up with the runway!! Got home tonight and didn'
48 canoecarrier: And looking up at the mountains around JNU. I've flown up to CDV probably over a dozen times through JNU and only seen Mt. St. Elias outside of YAK t
49 B737900: I've heard on this thread that WiFi is no charge for a short time. Also read that there is a charge for it. Question: I'm flying SEA - BOS-SEA this we
50 chrisair: Free wifi is for smart phones only. The promo ends on Sept. 30. I tried using my ipad and I had to enter my account info (for a while Gogo didn't dif
51 Tomassjc: It think it's exactly the point here. On segments that short, you barely have time to get comfortable, let alone get involved with a 90 minute long m
52 BoeingGuy: I don't need IFE on QX and AS/OO flights. They give you something else for free as part of the in-flight service that makes the time pass more quickly
53 canoecarrier: AS at least thinks there's some money to be made in IFE. As early as 2003 I remember having one of their Digi-players on a SEA-MCO flight. And, how m
54 hatbutton: Yes but the Dig-E-Player is not offered on flights under 2.5 hours. So there is your cutoff in AS's mind. Until a majority of the flights in the syst
55 laca773: ! Thanks, Jacob! You hit it on the bullseye! Further more (sorry if you don't care much for this Jacob), AS offers a much nicer product to those who
56 Jacobin777: Thanks laca773.. ..not problems friend. AS total overall product is better. I've flown AS a number of times and with AS adding SJC flights, you know
57 RWA380: I started flying AS in the very early 80's, ONT-BUR-PDX on a 72S, I have been a fan ever since. There weren't even headphones, the employees made the
58 LAXintl: Let me tell you guys, AS is not oblivious to what others have on the market, and the carrier has actively been seeking options beyond digi-players, an
59 BoeingGuy: They gave us four rounds on the AS/OO flight from SEA-FAT. I've been meaning to e-mail AS and tell them how outstanding the service was that night. W
60 canoecarrier: I'm not complaining. After a long business meeting in EUG it's nice to have a couple glasses of wine on the way home for free. I think a part of that
61 B737900: Speakling of customer service. One of my most memorable flights on AS was SEA-SIT. The IFE then was headphones plugged into the arm rest with 5 chann