IADLHR From Italy, joined Apr 2005, 741 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 8227 times:
It is my understanding that, at least, at one time, if not now, that IAD-KWI was doing very, very well. Thought I never understood why the tag on KWI-BAH-KWI, unless there is enough military traffic to justify it.
malioil From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2010, 147 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7439 times:
I did the flight this Summer in J. BAH-KWI-IAD-JFK-IAD-KWI-BAH. The J class load was very, very healthy, in excess of 80%. There were many Kuwaitis and Bahrainis flying to Kuwait during the Summer. A good amount of Americans, indeed a huge amount of US personnel from the 5th fleet base were on the flight in all three classes. If I recall, even F had a 50% load which is quite healthy.
Overall, from my experience of the flight (have used it twice, once in Y and once in J) it is doing very well. There were a good amount of Bahrainis too going all the way to IAD for connections.
Earlier this year I was to organize a group flight for 20 passengers in Y to IAD for my school, I contacted UA and they told me they didn't have room for 20 seats in Y on the dates, even though I was inquiring a few months out. Ended up choosing BA.
There were many local GCC citizens flying BAH-KWI, and a fair share of others going all the way to IAD and beyond.
Personally, I don't expect this flight to go anytime soon.
WindowSeat From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1319 posts, RR: 53
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6841 times:
I flew this flight KWI-BAH in Y a few months ago and it was practically empty. There were like 4 people in the middle section of Y. There were hardly any people in J either. Of course this is anecdotal evidence from one flight
I'm all in favour of keeping dangerous weapons out of the hands of fools. Let's start with keyboards.
kfitz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 6503 times:
the IAD-KWI leg is relatively full in all 3 cabins from what I've heard. The tag to BAH is supposedly more full in F and C than it is in Y. Also, the new 77Q is even flying this route at about a 50% rate.
sonomaflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2203 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5637 times:
In this day and age, an airline isn't going to fly a route (especially a tag) unless its making cash. UAL likely has contracts involving the U.S. Government and perhaps some private companies who contract with the government to service the base.
FlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7441 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3906 times:
The goverment is to use a US flag carrier whenever possible. Prior to the IS tag, this was near impossible until getting to a large European gateway like LHR/AMS/CDG etc. I lived in Bahrain for a bit and although there is a an AMC flight, it doesn't operate daily. Plus, most people COMMING to Bahrain on TDY or going to the states for the same reason use DTS for travel and its commercial straight through. Now I'm almost certain most of this travel is on UA.
3rdGen From Bahrain, joined Jul 2011, 283 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3787 times:
The UA service is always going to be empty in the Middle Sector. Just like BAs LHR-BAH-DOH-BAH-LHR flight.
You've got to judge the flight based on the loads to and from the original destination. The point is to fill up half the plane with passengers for/from KWI and half for/from BAH, or any other combination of the two.
As a result if you're only flying the Middle Sector you're never sure of the actual loads as only part of the total load to and from IAD is on board. Either part have disembarked or only a part have boarded. As for the load between KWI-BAH-KWI thats probably bonus for UA, not the goal of the flight.
The routing is probably a result of needing to serve both destinations (commercial or other reasons) but not having the load to release two separate flights. Similar case with BA's BAH-DOH flight. I often fly that one, and its never full, but again its because I'm only flying the middle sector. I'm sure the legs to/from LHR-BAH do well.
Does anyone know how the Flight Crew are rotated on this flight? I'm assuming one crew for IAD-KWI a second for KWI-BAH-KWI and a third for KWI-IAD. The aircrafts on the ground in Bahrain for a very long time. Usually parked beside Cathy's service.
Military fares are a nice high yield. IIRC they were a minimum of $1,000USD one way from the Middle East to USA in the early 2000s. And the US fifth fleet has considerable traffic which I would guess UA is fulfilling being the only US carrier into BAH.
Look for the ridiculous in everything, and you will find it
When I was living in Bahrain with my Dad, the average RT fare through Europe was usually at the tune of $1300-$1800 and much more for close-in fares. From what I saw, most folks were doing either BAH-LHR-XXX on AA/UA, BAH-AMS-XXX on NW or through DXB on DL. Many more combinations but these were the most common.