727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5720 posts, RR: 20 Posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 9520 times:
This story is a few days old, so I'm thinking this may be a double-thread. If so, my apologies. I checked our lovely search function and didn't find anything.
Dallas hairstylist Isis Brantley was shocked when TSA agents came up to her on the platform of the interterminal train at the Atlanta airport and told her they needed to check her Afro for drugs and explosives. TSA hair checks aren't unheard of, but they are invasive, and this is certainly the first case we've heard of a search so far from security. The TSA claims that Ms. Brantley simply walked off before her security screening was over, and that they offered to take her to a private area for the pat down, but Brantley disputes both those claims.
jetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7335 posts, RR: 52 Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 8828 times:
Slow news day I guess. This is just so stupid. Let them search that silly rats nest on your head and let the world turn. Does everything have to be an issue now. Everything is an invasion of someone civil rights. The TSA maybe somewhat incompetent at times, but largely, they're just covering their bases. Stupid idiot
kgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 3648 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 7526 times:
Quoting jetjack74 (Reply 1): Slow news day I guess. This is just so stupid. Let them search that silly rats nest on your head and let the world turn. Does everything have to be an issue now. Everything is an invasion of someone civil rights. The TSA maybe somewhat incompetent at times, but largely, they're just covering their bases. Stupid idiot
Well . . . I guess some people don't look honest.
For instance, Saturday I got stopped by TSA at Concourse G in MIA because my replacement-passport (the new kind with micro-chips and an antenna embedded in it) was never signed.
They gave me a pen, and I signed it. Then they asked for my driver's license to be sure the signatures matched up. Now it was "Get out of our faces." End of issue -- move on. Across the way two teenage girls were catching flack and were having their shoes examined and having their backpack -- first x-rayed multiple times -- then hand searched.
jetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7335 posts, RR: 52 Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 7476 times:
Being airline crew, I deal with them everyday almost, some are nice, some are turds. I'm not saying they should have unchecked powers or have the right to be snotty to people, just that someone checking someone afro is not a violation of civil rights
tommytoyz From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1103 posts, RR: 5 Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6746 times:
Quoting 727LOVER (Thread starter): The TSA claims that Ms. Brantley simply walked off before her security screening was over
I had a similar situation were the US custom agents lied. They said exactly the same thing. Another passenger told me way outside of Customs in LAX that "they" were looking for me, so I went back voluntarily and subjected myself to a search. Later US customs requested I respond in writing as to why I had "run away" - which is a total lie by two other agents who themselves simply walked away after asking me some questions. Besides, it's not even possible.
Does anyone really believe that anyone can simply walk away or run away from a TSA or US Customs inspection - and get away?
varig md-11 From France, joined Jul 2000, 1573 posts, RR: 9 Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 6362 times:
TSA is not so stupid.
Not so long ago a woman flying to CDG from South America was found with a 1 kilo cushion of cocaine betwen her hair (fake) and skull.
It was a hell of a hairdo apparently and that's what has raised attention.
If you can hide 1 kilo of coke, you can hide anything else
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longbowpilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 577 posts, RR: 4 Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5972 times:
United_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7158 posts, RR: 8 Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5766 times:
flashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2863 posts, RR: 7 Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4471 times:
I don't think what the public demanded was security theater, which is exactly what we have today. The public demand is for absolute air security, which is a pipe dream. It's not possible. So why we waste as many resources as we do on pretend-security measures, I'll never understand.
toobz From Finland, joined Jan 2010, 673 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4200 times:
Quoting jetjack74 (Reply 1): Slow news day I guess. This is just so stupid. Let them search that silly rats nest on your head and let the world turn. Does everything have to be an issue now. Everything is an invasion of someone civil rights. The TSA maybe somewhat incompetent at times, but largely, they're just covering their bases. Stupid idiot
Well we are the land of "oh I'm so offended!!" or "that's offensive". We need to get the f@$k over it and move on.
When going through a TSA checkpoint, it should be obvious that you are subject to search.
OMG lol did I really just defend TSA...
kgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 3648 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3679 times:
Quoting andz (Reply 12): The fashion police should be checking the afros. I mean really, this is 2011!!!
I understand that a couple of the "Fashion Police" personalities get so much razz in airports that E Network spots them for private jets.
Grid From Kazakhstan, joined Apr 2010, 624 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3629 times:
Quoting toobz (Reply 11): Well we are the land of "oh I'm so offended!!" or "that's offensive". We need to get the f@$k over it and move on.
When going through a TSA checkpoint, it should be obvious that you are subject to search.
OMG lol did I really just defend TSA...
Sure, but I'd rather have people complain than not complain at all - that's a beautiful part of freedom and democracy. You just did it yourself.
NASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3081 posts, RR: 5 Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3571 times:
Quoting 727LOVER (Thread starter): Dallas hairstylist Isis Brantley was shocked when TSA agents came up to her on the platform of the interterminal train at the Atlanta airport and told her they needed to check her Afro for drugs and explosives.
First question - why wasn't she checked at the checkpoint? Why did they wait until she was on the train - sounds like a goof up by the TSA at this point that they let her past the checkpoint if they were so suspicious of her.
Second question - Isn't the TSA's job to check for security? not drugs. Aren't they overstepping their bounds if they are telling people they are searching for drugs? I understand if they happen to find drugs while they are searching bags for weapons/bombs then they would notify police or happen to find drugs on someone while having a person empty their pockets and they pull out a joint. I figure that would be DEA or other department's responsibilty to check someone's hair for drugs.
And we still haven't gotten it. What we got instead is ex cons and should be cons working at checkpoints stealing lap tops, weapons etc, fondling kids, harassing grandma and we are not one bit safer with these guys. On top of that prior to what happened 10 years ago - the airlines were paying for security, now our tax dollars are.
Byrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2142 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3481 times:
Quoting jetjack74 (Reply 1): Let them search that silly rats nest on your head
The 747: The hands who designed it were guided by god.
PanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 7763 posts, RR: 26 Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3297 times:
I didn't know that Angela Davis is still around.....
Anyhow, this kind of "security" is clownesque, nothing else. . OIf the metal detectors or these radiology machines do not detect anything, then that's it. No reason to humíliate people. What comes next, obese people having to prove that it is really fact?
kgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 3648 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3220 times:
Quoting PanHAM (Reply 17): I didn't know that Angela Davis is still around.....
It's Dr. Angela Davis now, and she just retired from UC-Santa Cruz at age 67.
Dr. Angela Davis - Professor Emeritus - University of California, Santa Cruz
kgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 3648 posts, RR: 1 Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3202 times:
Quoting PanHAM (Reply 17): What comes next, obese people having to prove that it is really fact?
Looks like you're having trouble with the language, yes?
Grid From Kazakhstan, joined Apr 2010, 624 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3027 times:
Quoting PanHAM (Reply 17): Anyhow, this kind of "security" is clownesque, nothing else. . OIf the metal detectors or these radiology machines do not detect anything, then that's it. No reason to humíliate people. What comes next, obese people having to prove that it is really fact?
I don't think searching an Afro is humiliating to its owner. Your point about the machines not detecting anything: it does make me wonder how many holes our security has if you can through a body scanner but still have to be patted down (I have been patted down every time and swabbed once). I don't whether that means the system is working or it's broken.
PanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 7763 posts, RR: 26 Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2794 times:
Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 19): Looks like you're having trouble with the language, yes?
no, with the keyboard, or the fingers, pick your choice.
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Quoting Grid (Reply 20): I don't think searching an Afro is humiliating to its owner.
I said first of all that the searches are clownesque. If all a terrorist does make it to the TSA check point it means the system is "broken" for the simple fact that intelligence should have found the guy a long time before he intended to hi-jack and aircraft or whatever else the intention as.
Fact is that millions of innocent people are harrassed more or less worldwide every day. Searching hair styles is a joke, many other hilarious episodes of the daily TSA follies have been discussed here, from guys climbing on pitot tubes to see if there are evil doers hiding on top of the aircraft to grannies having to strip their diapers. When I see the TSA requirements in cargo, my domain, I can only pray to the Lord, let it rain brain.
We have a real drain on ressources every day sand what is done is really not intelligent.
longbowpilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 577 posts, RR: 4 Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2670 times:
-Stepping forward to a security checkpoint, be definition from the Supreme Court, is consent to search. It is not unreasonable and all are subjected for security and safety of air travelers and the public below.
Quoting United_fan (Reply 9): Well,everything that was brought aboard 10 years ago was 'legal' .
You are correct.
Quoting flashmeister (Reply 10): I don't think what the public demanded was security theater, which is exactly what we have today. The public demand is for absolute air security, which is a pipe dream. It's not possible. So why we waste as many resources as we do on pretend-security measures, I'll never understand.
We are not wasting resources, they are charging the public more per ticket to facilitate this "Theater."
Seriously though, United_Fan hit it right. They did nothing more then utilize authorized items, INTIMIDATION, and OUR PROCEDURES to commit this attack. Sure TSA is a supreme knee jerk reaction but it is what the public demanded, a agency full of professional trained screeners to ensure AIR TIGHT security.
You may call it a farce, theater, or show and tell, but the point here is. If you are going to fly, know how to prepare your checked and carry on baggage, and your Weave or you may be subjected to the scrutiny of security.
Its been 10 years and anyone showing up complaining at security about what they are going through obviously has lived in a vacuum since 9/11/01.
Grid From Kazakhstan, joined Apr 2010, 624 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2663 times:
Quoting longbowpilot (Reply 22): -Stepping forward to a security checkpoint, be definition from the Supreme Court, is consent to search. It is not unreasonable and all are subjected for security and safety of air travelers and the public below.
Consenting to a search does not mean the search is necessarily reasonable. One can quickly go outside the consent given and make it unreasonable.
I agree, here, that the search was reasonable. Patting down an elderly woman's soiled diaper might be too.
Quoting longbowpilot (Reply 22): Its been 10 years and anyone showing up complaining at security about what they are going through obviously has lived in a vacuum since 9/11/01.
I did not realize how many people in this country have lived in vacuums (or vacuum, if they all live in one big one) since 9/11.
NASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3081 posts, RR: 5 Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2604 times:
Quoting Grid (Reply 23): I did not realize how many people in this country have lived in vacuums (or vacuum, if they all live in one big one) since 9/11.
We've been living in Buffoonery. The Three Stooges would make better Security agents than most of the TSA.
25 brandonfsu05: Not every terrorist operates in a cell...not every person seeking to do bad things on a plane has to be a terrorist in the 'conventional' sense... No
26 PanHAM: exactly. we have no choice when travelling by air. That can be accepted as long as the searches are reasonable. I compare what we have in Europe with
27 longbowpilot: You are correct, but I think the "Drones" at the checkpoint are not going to reinvent the wheel on site, and are following their procedures, or I'm s
28 Grid: Yes they have, except for London, Madrid, Pakistan (multiple events), Iraq (multiple events), India (multiple events), Afghanistan (multiple events)
29 PanHAM: I was asked somewhere up here if I had probems with the language. Well, I don't. You did not notice the little word IF. That meant, in the context of
30 MD11Engineer: From the article it looks as if they didn´t search her at a checkpoint, but instead stopped her somewhere inside the sterile area and searched her t
31 bjorn14: You're right. The only thing TSA really does is make the bad guys think twice and/or get more creative.
32 longbowpilot: Perhaps something was wrong... Maybe they did not like her faux pas for wearing a weave.
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