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Future 787 Routes?  
User currently offlinerobbie86 From Sweden, joined May 2006, 542 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 10664 times:

Since the 787 now is in service I think that a thread about possible future routes is in order.
First of all, maybe someone could be so kind to post who have ordered the aircraft and how many?


Next flights: ARN-ORD-MCO, MIA-ORD-ARN
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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3454 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 10741 times:

JNB-MIA, MIA-NRT, LAX-BLR, SYD-ORD, GRU-SYD, HNL-LHR/FRA, SIN-SFO, SEA-SYD, AKL-ORD to name a few I've read about here on A.net.


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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10930 posts, RR: 37
Reply 2, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 10635 times:

Received an email from my ANA Mileage Club a couple of days ago.

Frankfurt will have the ANA 787 from Haneda beginning of January.

NH204 Frankfurt Haneda
NH203 Haneda Frankfurt

http://eur.ana.co.jp/public/read_mes...ssionid=0;apw60?sigreq=-1753478153

http://www.ana.co.jp/wws/news/b787/en/

     



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineFlyingsottsman From Australia, joined Oct 2010, 565 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10509 times:

I would say SYD-HNL with JQ

User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 10316 times:

Quoting robbie86 (Thread starter):
Since the 787 now is in service I think that a thread about possible future routes is in order.

When and who put a 787 in service prior to delivery?

Monday September 26, 2011 is the delivery date of ANA's (the launch customer) first 787?


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 6054 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 10287 times:

AI planning DEL-MEL no date, and JL confirmed NRT-BOS fron April.

User currently offlinefpetrutiu From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 901 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 10220 times:

Quoting 474218 (Reply 4):
Monday September 26, 2011 is the delivery date of ANA's (the launch customer) first 787?

The aircraft was formally delivered to ANA yesterday, Sunday, Sept 25th, when all the paperwork and money exchanged hands. The aircraft as of then is owned by ANA not Boeing. On Monday is only the party, and on Tuesday ANA will fly her home.

http://bottomline.msnbc.msn.com/_new...rplanes-finally-gets-to-a-customer


User currently offlineairfrnt From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2829 posts, RR: 42
Reply 7, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 9821 times:

DEN-NRT is a good bet for next year.

User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3258 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 9803 times:

SJC-NRT on ANA is rumored.

Apparently, ANA has been talking to the city of San Jose, who has been eager to regain a non-stop to NRT since AA discontinued it in 2006. This was recently discussed on another thread.


User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 3020 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 9348 times:

Quoting Flyingsottsman (Reply 3):
I would say SYD-HNL with JQ

Plus every other JQ route since they're sending their A332s back to QF as the 788s arrive -- they will eventually be 787 only for International. They will also gain 5-6 frames overall so we should see some new routes for them out of SIN (FCO? ATH? ADL?)


User currently offlineizbtmnhd From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 278 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9027 times:

Quoting airfrnt (Reply 7):

With who? NH? If so, there's been very little action on that front. DIA folks reached out to ANA a while back but as BoeingGuy said, it's been reported here that ANA has had repeated talks with the people who run SJC. One meeting very recently. I wouldn't make that bet on DEN.

With UA? Maybe, but probably not next year. It's hard for me to see DEN getting a ton of new UA international service anyway with 5 other better served international gateways to funnel traffic to.


User currently offlinesmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1554 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9008 times:

Whats the delivery schedule? Who are next inline to receive their 787s?

User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3258 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8694 times:

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 11):
Who are next inline to receive their 787s?

LAN


User currently offlineaf773atmsp From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2713 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8631 times:

What I hope for my hometown airport:
MSP-PEK (DL or China Southern)
MSP-ICN (DL or KE)
MSP-PVG (DL)

I'm sure not all of these routes would happen but those are the likely options (especially ICN).



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8578 times:

LAN plans on eventually deploying the B-787-8s on routes, i.e. SCL-LIM-LAX, SCL-MEX, GRU-LIM-SFO, GYE-MAD, LIM-MAD, etc.

User currently offlineSunriseValley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 5217 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 8501 times:

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 1):
AKL-ORD to name a few I've read about here on A.net.

Add for the same reason, AKL-BOM.


User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3258 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 8445 times:

Quoting af773atmsp (Reply 13):
What I hope for my hometown airport:
MSP-PEK (DL or China Southern)
MSP-ICN (DL or KE)
MSP-PVG (DL)

I'm sure not all of these routes would happen but those are the likely options (especially ICN).

Understood, but MSP already has a very generous lineup of overseas international flights for a city of its size.

NRT
LHR
AMS
CDG

For DL, I could see longer thinner routes like SLC-AMS, SLC-LHR (probably not both of them), PDX-LHR, PDX-CDG (one of them), SJC-NRT (wishful thinking), SEA-PVG, SEA-HKG


User currently offlinefpetrutiu From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 901 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 8428 times:

I am still thinking the 787 will eventually make it'spresence felt in MCO. A few years down the line, but if the economics span out, it will be a great tourist transporter.

User currently offlineMCOGVADCA From China, joined Oct 2006, 446 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 8372 times:

Quoting fpetrutiu (Reply 17):
I am still thinking the 787 will eventually make it'spresence felt in MCO. A few years down the line, but if the economics span out, it will be a great tourist transporter.

   Especially to thinner deep South American markets than GRU, like GIG or EZE or SCL* with Latam. However, like you indicated, I don't see these coming anytime soon.

*Sustained scheduled service to SCL, not the seasonal charters being offered this So. Hemisphre



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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8494 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 8353 times:
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Quoting RWA380 (Reply 1):
JNB-MIA, MIA-NRT, LAX-BLR, SYD-ORD, GRU-SYD, HNL-LHR/FRA, SIN-SFO, SEA-SYD, AKL-ORD to name a few I've read about here on A.net.

AKL to Santiago, Chile with ANZ. LAN SCL to LHR.


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5594 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 8315 times:

The poster-child city for the Dreamliner is SAN.

Depending on the final performance numbers Boeing establishes for their new baby, I am very willing to bet that the Route Development team at SDIA/SDCRAA will be all over several foreign flags (and, SJC aside, I'd bet a buck that ANA is real high on the list!) as to how soon SAN will be scheduled for nonstop service to Asia. (And I'm pretty sure that they won't turn up their noses at more Europe or South America service either.)

There's also a pretty wide-held belief that BA will probably put a 787 on the SAN-LHR route when the plane joins their fleet -- that is unless the capacity of the T7 is needed for the passenger and cargo loads!  

In any case, with the projected size of SAN's intercontinental markets, along with the terrain issues of Lindbergh Field, as I said, the 787 is exactly what San Diego is waiting for.

  

bb


User currently offlinenetjetsintl From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 8309 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 14):
LAN plans on eventually deploying the B-787-8s on routes, i.e. SCL-LIM-LAX, SCL-MEX, GRU-LIM-SFO, GYE-MAD, LIM-MAD

so LAN is not planing on operating the 787 direct from SCL to Europe? Not even SCL- JFK/MIA??

Seems like they plan on hubbing the 787s at LIM. Why??


User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3258 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 8255 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 20):
There's also a pretty wide-held belief that BA will probably put a 787 on the SAN-LHR route when the plane joins their fleet

That was the original premise of the 787, that it would open up new long haul city pairs that can't be economically served today. Several of those come to mind like:

SAN-NRT
SJC-NRT
PDX-LHR
SEA-HKG
SLC-AMS
MIA-JNB (on AA)
SFO-SYD


And maybe maintaining existing service profitably like:

MEM-AMS
CVG-CDG
SAN-LHR
PDX-AMS
SLC-NRT
DFW-GIG


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 8255 times:

Quoting netjetsintl (Reply 21):
so LAN is not planing on operating the 787 direct from SCL to Europe? Not even SCL- JFK/MIA??

Of course LAN will operate the B-787s to Europe and also Oceania from SCL (LAN has 32 B-787s on order). The GYE-MAD and LIM-MAD routes currently operate with the B-767-316ERs and are weight restricted. LAN may eventually operate SCL-LAX-SCL 3x weekly year-round as well with the B-787-8. Flights such as SCL-JFK would require two B-787s since LAN operates nightly departures in both directions. LAN SCL-MIA operates in a fashion in which the a/c arrives into MIA very early and turns around at MIA and operates routes, i.e. MIA-BOG-SCL, MIA-CCS-SCL, MIA-CCS-GYE-SCL, MIA-CUN-SCL, MIA-PUJ-SCL, etc.

Quoting MCOGVADCA (Reply 18):
Sustained scheduled service to SCL, not the seasonal charters being offered this So. Hemisphre

LA508/LA509 will not operate as charter flights.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 19):
LAN SCL to LHR.

LIM-LHR, LIM-SYD, SCL-LHR and SCL-FRA have been analyzed by LAN as possible future routes. Also, many routes to Europe from SCL will operate via Brazil.

[Edited 2011-09-27 15:30:05]

User currently offlineCoronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1611 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 8194 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 20):
There's also a pretty wide-held belief that BA will probably put a 787 on the SAN-LHR route when the plane joins their fleet -- that is unless the capacity of the T7 is needed for the passenger and cargo loads!

BA could always add a second 787 out of SAN, at least on the busier days if slots are hard to find at LHR. I'm hoping for KLM 787's to AMS myself. The new terminal expansion will help open things up a bit too in 2013 as far as accommodating the 787's and international service. ANA to NRT will be tough. That flight is against the wind.



Uncle SAN at your service!
25 rdh3e : Just to add some already announced routes: IAH-LOS IAH-AKL Both will be UA (announced as CO), subject to change obviously.
26 BoeingGuy : I don't have the performance or range data in front of me, but I would think the 787-8 could easily do SAN-NRT with a full payload.
27 Post contains images SANFan : Howdy D. Sure, 2 flights to LHR would always be OK! Yes, even though the SDIA gang has moved their priority of new intercontinental service away from
28 Post contains links SCL767 : It should be noted that LAN intends to receive 32 B-787 Dreamliners between 2012 and 2016. Also, LAN has 10 purchase options for the B-787 Dreamliners
29 RWA380 : Well it's on now! First dreamliner just landed in Tokyo. Can't wait to see how much this beautiful bird changes things, the routes will be the next 75
30 Post contains images KELPkid : Is QF taking any up? Seems like the perfect solution for SYD-DFW (and the return leg, without stopping in BNE )
31 Post contains images SANFan : A big on this post, RWA'! There certainly are (well, "will be") plenty of Dreamliners to go around for many, many new markets. bb
32 MCOGVADCA : It's a de facto charter, even if they do offer EZE connections. The key phrase in my original post was "sustained:" operating for a few weeks over th
33 SCL767 : The service is marketed via LANTOURS and is available for sale via different distribution channels; including LAN.com. Should the service do well, LA
34 netjetsintl : 32 787s for LAN? WOW.... I knew they had some 787s on order and that they were the largest customer in Latin America, but didn't know they had 32 comi
35 SCL767 : The company has huge potential for growth in the coming years; especially when considering the combination with TAM and the new LAN HUB at BOG. This
36 LGWflyer : TOM is suppose to get the 787 around the start of 2012. I heard they was going to start up some new routes like LGW-HNL etc... but I don't think that
37 tullamarine : 787-8 doesn't have legs to do DFW-SYD. Hopefully 787-9 will. Basically you can predict future 787 routes by looking at any route currently serviced b
38 qf002 : VS will certainly use them to MCO when they get them. QF is getting 789s from 2014, but no 788s at this stage (all 15 are for JQ). I'm not convinced
39 CXfirst : Many years ago, Virgin Atlantic said that the 787 would allow them to operate non-stop to HNL and PER from LHR. I know that is a long time ago, and th
40 Post contains images qf002 : This has just come up in another thread -- personally I don't see it working. The range might be there (maybe, but only if Boeing meets its initial t
41 AM744 : AM: MEX-NRT, MEX-CDG, MEX-BCN.
42 SCL767 : AM also indicated that the carrier will deploy the B-787-8 on the MEX-SCL route.
43 Ordcargo : hopefully LOT will bring it to chicago. so WAW-ORD
44 tayser : AC in the past have said the 787 is perfect for YVR-MEL hopefully QF (not JQ) reinstate MEL-NRT when they take delivery of some of their own. JQ MEL-L
45 Post contains images Gunsontheroof : Probably within the 787's mission profile.
46 gemuser : The plan has changed several times, but my current understanding is that JQ get the first 15 B788. When the first 15 B789 arrive they go to JQ and th
47 Fyano773 : AM will squeeze all the potential of the aircraft: Current routes: NRT-MEX. CDG-MEX. BCN-MEX. EZE-MEX. Future routes: PVG-MEX, replacing PVG-TIJ. HKG-
48 LPSHobby : what about opening new long haul from Brazil, anything planned yet?
49 tayser : there's anywhere between 6-8 767s currently flying the route every day for the half-hourly frequencies on the route as is... and they're (767s) all g
50 SCL767 : A positive aspect that can be drawn from the delay of the B-787-9 is that certain carriers will not have to wait to be approved for the ETOPS certifi
51 gemuser : All of that aside, I still doubt south America-Australia twin operations will be approved by the Australian authorities, whatever certifications the
52 SCL767 : If Australia objects to twin-operations between South America and Australia during 2014-2015, perhaps LAN will continue to use the stop-over at AKL.
53 gemuser : By 2015 (or 17 depending) Australia will require ETOPS for quads as well. I assume it will be easier for quads to get >180 min ETOPs approval for
54 smi0006 : MEL-PVG or MEL-PEK would be nice on QF, I would imagine the market would have grown significantly by 2014 enough to support those services. MEL-BOM w
55 SCL767 : I would expect that the B-748I would obtain ETOPs greater than 180 by the Australian authorities by that time; it's interesting to note that LAN Chil
56 ManekS : I'm hoping to see some North American carriers launch non-stops to SIN, replacing their current one stop services. UA can potentially start ORD-SIN, a
57 Post contains images KELPkid : Care to elaborate? I've never heard of the 60 degree South problem
58 qf002 : I'm hoping before 2014 though -- maybe with some of the A332's that they get back from JQ (assuming that they don't all just go to the domestic fleet
59 gemuser : You could be right, AFAIK there has been no definite announcement. In fact Australia has said NO airline operation below 60 degrees South WITHOUT spe
60 SCL767 : So in 2014/2015, Australia wouldn't permit a LAN operated B-787-9 flight originating at either LIM and/or SCL to enter Australia via AKL; especially
61 SunriseValley : still won't work. Australia will not approve a flight operation that tries to circumvent their EDTO rules by putting a stop in the route but which on
62 SCL767 : LAN will continue to operate the A-343s well into 2014. It will be interesting to see if LAN eventually "leases" TAM's two A-340-500 a/c specifically
63 gemuser : Except those are traffic rights matters. The >180 min EDTO rule would be a technical matter, which is not covered by the ICAO technical rules, a r
64 SCL767 : Chile has great relations with Australia and trade between the two countries will continue to increase over time. Perú is seeking to increase ties w
65 Fyano773 : 5 and no more orders/options as of yet. Therefore, the airline should deploy the aircrafts where most needed. Regards....
66 EddieDude : Sorry, but I do not see any of these in the medium term. MEX-HKG seems like a route for an A345 or a 77L... MEX' high altitude could be a problem for
67 SCL767 : Because JJ recently announced the grounding of a/c. The A-340 is the perfect a/c for LAN for routes to/from AKL/SYD and JJ's are relatively new. Do y
68 qf002 : I wasn't aware it was that strict - wow. I doubt that their jurisdiction would stretch that far -- as far as they are concerned the flight plan origi
69 AM744 : I don't know about that one. Wouldn't it make more sense to use the first frames in the longest range routes. EZE can be flown with 767s. AM only has
70 Fyano773 : Let's remember that the 789 and the 77L (without auxiliary fuel tanks) both boast the same or similar long range. As far as I know, no carrier has or
71 Post contains links and images yeogeo : Came across this article of a few weeks ago: http://www.eglobaltravelmedia.com.au...te-via-guangzhou-may-use-b787.html China Southern is contemplating
72 qf002 : I don't like the chances of the 789 meeting it's conceptual expectations, at least at first. You also have to remember when the 789 is carrying the s
73 CXfirst : It could have some great advertising potential in the UK. Qantas could be the only carrier offering non-stop to Australia, albeit in Perth. But to ma
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