N14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2486 posts, RR: 25 Posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 22662 times:
Just read this on aero.de - LH
Quote: Die Deutsche Lufthansa stockt ihre Bestellung im Programm Airbus A380 um zwei auf 17 Flugzeuge auf. Der Aufsichtsrat des größten europäischen Airlinekonzerns gab am Donnerstag zudem grünes Licht für die Bestellung einer weiteren A330-300 sowie von vier A320 und fünf Embraer E195. Die Flugzeuge im Listenpreis von etwa einer Milliarde Euro sollen entweder aus liquiden Mitteln oder extern finanziert werden, erklärte der Konzern in seiner Ankündigung.
"Die moderate Erweiterung der Lufthansa Passageflotte dient vor allem der Absicherung des kurzfristigen Bedarfes bei Modernisierung und Konsolidierung der Europaflotte, bis zur Verfügbarkeit neuer Flugzeugtechnologien", sagte Lufthansa Vorstandschef Christoph Franz. "Gleichzeitig sichert die Ergänzungsbestellung von Airbus A380 und A330 unsere mittelfristige Langstreckenentwicklung."
art From Lebanon, joined Feb 2005, 3148 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 22609 times:
Congratulations to Airbus on producing a design that in-service figures show the customer is worth re-ordering. Wonder how many more existing customers will follow suit soon to avoid delays due to low production levels.
PanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 8270 posts, RR: 26 Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 22575 times:
Not forget to mention 1 addtl A330-300, 4 A320 and 5 Embraer 195, financing mainly from cash flow with some external financing. Delivery or the A380 + 330 in 2014, the A320 in 2013 and 2014 and the E195 in 2012 and 2013.
All in all a short term addition to the fleets on top of the deliveries scheduled already.
flyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 56 Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 22527 times:
Great news! I love the way Lufthansa has configured all three of its A380 cabins. And their business product on this aircraft is truly marvellous! They must be happy with it if they have decided they will be wanting more of them after all
Further down in the article there is also mention of another A333, four A320, and five E195!
Focker From Netherlands, joined Jan 2011, 145 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 22482 times:
Quoting PanHAM (Reply 3): Not forget to mention 1 addtl A330-300, 4 A320 and 5 Embraer 195, financing mainly from cash flow with some external financing. Delivery or the A380 + 330 in 2014, the A320 in 2013 and 2014 and the E195 in 2012 and 2013.
Delivery of the A380's in 2014 is rather soon. Would that be the slots QF left open by deferring their deliveries?
wolbo From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 465 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 22331 times:
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 4): Good news. Having a subfleet of 17 is the minimum I consider economical (for operation out of *one* hub).
I don't know if you're correct but I fully agree! Please send an email to Air France, Asiana, China Southern, Korean Air, Qatar Airways and Thai Airways informing them of this important fact.
OK, so 2 extra isn't a whole lot but every one counts and it's important because it shows that LH is very satisfied with their A380 babies. I'm confident LH will order more in the future but in this climate they are wisely being prudent with their orders.
columba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 6988 posts, RR: 4 Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 22272 times:
Apart from the A380 order one thought about the rest of the order LH must see no thread in the 787/A350 orders from other airlines as they continue to buy one A330 after another....really boring after awhile especially with this tiny little trend engines also they seem to love the EJet.
It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
scouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3306 posts, RR: 10 Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 22226 times:
Quoting Focker (Reply 6): Delivery of the A380's in 2014 is rather soon. Would that be the slots QF left open by deferring their deliveries?
Sounds about right to me, the cancellation (ILFC) and the two "uncertain" orders (VS and IT) don't seem to have any set deliveries scheduled in as they were subject to a lot of deferrals already. I wonder if this is an opportunistic order to take advantage of this opening and there's still a likelehood of a bunch of further A380 orders in the future for LH?
flyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 56 Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 22189 times:
Quoting scouseflyer (Reply 14): Sounds about right to me, the cancellation (ILFC) and the two "uncertain" orders (VS and IT) don't seem to have any set deliveries scheduled in as they were subject to a lot of deferrals already. I wonder if this is an opportunistic order to take advantage of this opening and there's still a likelehood of a bunch of further A380 orders in the future for LH?
I am quite optimistic about that in the future. They will want to be well equipped against the competition *cough* emirates *cough* once they have found ways to work around "the recession"
atnight From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 600 posts, RR: 1 Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 21961 times:
From what I see, this is a "quick no brainer" add-on order, which not only shows that LH really likes the airplane, but because is such success for them, they would rather use the slots available now than allow someone else to take them and LH missing the opportunity. Plus it appears that they are seeing that since the airplane has become so popular for passengers, LH sees an threat from other A380 operators and to sustain and grow in competitive markets, the A380 is the only option to go... this kinda proofs the saying "it takes a A380 to compete with a A380"... This does not mean they are done with the A380 as far as future orders, this is just a good opportunity to add what they are seeing a great airplane with great success in the present and immediate future..... Congrats to LH and Airbus....
wolbo From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 465 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 21914 times:
You would expect this to be a conversion of 2 of the 5 A380 options that LH held but neither the LH or Airbus press releases mention this explicitly. So perhaps it's possible LH kept their 5 options and this was a separate 'grab-the-opportunity' order?
Baroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 60 Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 21227 times:
Quoting PanHAM (Reply 21): Quoting Bralo20 (Reply 15):
Quoting PanHAM (Reply 8):
while the 747-9i come in during that time as well.
Did you miss the latest news? Now, seriously, you know it's a typing error. My answer: so what.
Nah, it is the Boeing answer to the shock rapid development of the 389, the sales folk just cannot sell now if there is not a "9" at the end of the model number.
Meanwhile back in the real world, interesting addition. This is a contrast to the QF delay for frames, although QF did increase its initial order a long while ago. But both airlines now have some experience of operations. So is QF that much more pressed for funds to expand first with 7verylate7s and then A320NEOs or are the priorities at QF different from those at LH?
lightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 11878 posts, RR: 100 Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 20408 times:
Quoting wolbo (Reply 10): Please send an email to Air France, Asiana, China Southern, Korean Air, Qatar Airways and Thai Airways informing them of this important fact.
Ok. I'm sure they'll listen to me telling them they need to order quite a few more of their VLA aircraft.
Seriously, reading HB-IWC's various excellent analysis on EK, KLM, AA (others?) I have reached the opinion that it takes 17 airframes to make up an economical sub-fleet. Note: That is my opinion based on another a.nutter's analysis.
PanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 8270 posts, RR: 26 Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 20313 times:
I guess that QF is much more pressed by the Gulf carriers and to a lesser extend by SQ than LH is. The geographical position of Australia and the fact that they will have to go down from 3 daily to LHR to just 1 is not an advantage either.
LH has the benefit of operating 2 major hubs in Germany, one being almost at the geographic and demographic center of Europe, and the other, MUC, not too far away. At least one has growth potential and MUC should get the third runway as well On top of that, flexibility is a key factor in the company.
25 Extra300: Do you guys believe this is a start of top ups for the A380? I could see SQ, AF and maybe BA firm up a few options.
26 ju068: Sorry for being off topic but couldn't find anything online. Could someone tell me when is the terminal extension opening in Frankfurt?
27 flyAUA: If you mean the 4th Runway, the AIP Ammendment shows it operational from 20th October 2011
28 ju068: Oh not the runway, I managed to find information on that but when I was in Frankfurt the last time there was a terminal being built. I think it was c
29 Revelation: I'm glad he has that much cash. Is he trying to outdo John Travolta?
30 na: Nice to hear. Any VLA more is welcome.[Edited 2011-09-29 12:22:04 by srbmod]
31 lightsaber: Yes and no. To be blunt, Airbus must put A380s into customer fleets for most to consider a 'top off' order. KE and CZ are potentially two very import
32 CEO@AFG: The new terminal 1A+ in FRA will open summer 2012. Very informative read with loads of pictures of the ongoing construction at FRA here: http://www.sk
33 BrouAviation: They are most likely waiting for the Dubai Airshow to make their announcements.
34 Semaex: I lolled at this statement. Calling 1bln € spent on aircraft is hardly "moderate" And I admit I do too. Love it! If you mean A+, then it's schedule
35 747400sp: I like your style! Sometimes people are so stuck up here, that want to correct every little thing in these topic.
36 goldorak: AF has already exercised two options. But I'd like to see them exercising some more
37 EPA001: Well, if they would repeat this move 3-4 times, they are close to the number you desired. . I am sure they will listen. So another 50 A380 orders by
38 lightsaber: They would have to do something different... only 3 more A388 options. Seriously, I truly believe that low A388 production rates, a tight backlog to
39 robffm2: I don't think Lufthansa has exercised two options. This not mentioned in Lufthansa's nor in Airbus' press release. But Reuters points into another di