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WestJet, Emirates Ink ‘interline’ Pact  
User currently offlineTinosky From Canada, joined Mar 2010, 103 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4198 times:

I was a little surprised with this one since WJ is Canada's LCC. It will be interesting to see where this goes. With Emirates being one of the top airlines, I thought a LCC wouldn't be on the roadmap. I guess they have no choice since Ottawa is giving them a hard time. Clever!   

WestJet, Emirates ink ‘interline’ pact

Tinosky,

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User currently offlineyegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1732 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4168 times:

Nice little game by EK.....Now they will ask WJ to lobby Ottawa on their behalf....Kind of makes you wonder, who is EK going after!

But if EK's flights out of YYZ are pretty full anyway, why would they need the WJ feed?


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13549 posts, RR: 100
Reply 2, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4065 times:
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Quoting Tinosky (Thread starter):
I was a little surprised with this one since WJ is Canada's LCC

Wow. This is a big surprise.

Looking at Westjet's route map, I see great connections at Toronto, but nothing for SEA. I went to the routemap expecting to note that Yxx and Yzz would help feed the new SEA-DXB flights...   

Is Westjet planning to expand to SEA?!?

Quoting yegbey01 (Reply 1):
But if EK's flights out of YYZ are pretty full anyway, why would they need the WJ feed?

Yeild.    Always good to improve yeild.

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineyegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1732 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4004 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 2):
Quoting yegbey01 (Reply 1):
But if EK's flights out of YYZ are pretty full anyway, why would they need the WJ feed?

Yeild. Always good to improve yeild.

Lightsaber

by striking a deal with Low cost carrier?


User currently offlineC172Akula From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 1010 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4000 times:

I doubt we'd see a YYC-SEA flight start up, does EK have any agreements with QX? They operate flights to SEA from YYC already.

User currently offlineanstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5317 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3988 times:

Quoting Tinosky (Thread starter):
With Emirates being one of the top airlines, I thought a LCC wouldn't be on the roadmap.

They partnered with Virgin Blue while they were still a LCC in Australia.


User currently offlineRJNUT From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3958 times:

Quoting Tinosky (Thread starter):
I thought a LCC wouldn't be on the roadmap

and now do interlining at DXB with Flydubai, an LCC over in UAE!


User currently offlineYXD172 From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 451 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3807 times:

Considering the terminal set-up in YYZ, for canadian outbound PAX I can't think of any worse of a connection to make. Sure, your bags will be checked through, but you still have to take the train between the terminals and then head back through security.

Not too bad coming into Canada I guess, as you'd have to re-clear security after customs anyway - though I'm guessing you'll have to carry your bags from one terminal to the other.

I'm thinking that this will benefit WS more than EK, as if anyone was planning to go out to DXB or beyond they likely would have been on EK anyway. For WS, it should encourage passengers to take WS on the canadian end instead of AC.



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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13549 posts, RR: 100
Reply 8, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3794 times:
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Quoting yegbey01 (Reply 3):
by striking a deal with Low cost carrier?

Have you flown Westjet? My last flight was on them and I loved them. So if a customer can easily buy a ticket only and fly out on EK... it will improve yeild for EK. I found the service superior to UA Y+. Ok, the physical product is the LCC seat, but Westjet's service impressed me. (In the start of my trip report):

Westjet Was Great! Disney Cruise Didn't Impress (by lightsaber Sep 25 2011 in Trip Reports)

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User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3697 times:

I think this is further evidence that WS is sliding away from the LCC model -- and have been for some time:

- FF program (although it's pretty crappy);
- interline already with AFKL;
- interline already with CX I believe.

I think you will see some type of announcement fairly soon (perhaps 6 months) of a front cabin for the 73G/738s, but perhaps not the 736s. That way they will be able to accomodate the flow of premium pax from their interline partners and score the revenue share therein.

They will also be able to NOT purchase/lease wide-bodies, although they might want to look at something more Hawaii-capable. A single short-term lease 752 isn't going to make it in the long-haul (no pun... ). Maybe a few 739ERs ?



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User currently offlineglobalflyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 953 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3677 times:

I'm not surprised at all. WS is an awesome airline and it really does make sense. Yes the service is a bit different than EK but it totally makes sense. Watch EK do the same with AS when the SEA service begins.


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User currently offlineTinosky From Canada, joined Mar 2010, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3555 times:

Actually, It's funny you say that. I saw an article in the elevator this morning (on the mini TV) stating that WJ is considering Premium economy. That would be fantastic!  

I truly think they can pull it off!

Tinosky,


User currently offlineyegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1732 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3522 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 8):
Have you flown Westjet? My last flight was on them and I loved them. So if a customer can easily buy a ticket only and fly out on EK... it will improve yeild for EK. I found the service superior to UA Y+. Ok, the physical product is the LCC seat, but Westjet's service impressed me. (In the start of my trip report):

Westjet Was Great! Disney Cruise Didn't Impress (by lightsaber Sep 25 2011 in Trip Reports)

Lightsaber

I have flown Westjet many times....my point is that unless EK gets more flights into YYZ or Canada for that matter, WJ can only add very little to EK.

EK's flights out of YYZ are pretty full to start with...Now obviously, some connect on AC to get to YYZ, but my understanding is that EK flight is well supported by the local YYZ catchment area


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13549 posts, RR: 100
Reply 13, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3481 times:
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Quoting yegbey01 (Reply 12):
my understanding is that EK flight is well supported by the local YYZ catchment area

That is my understanding too. But the WS interline should help. How much? Eh... its only an interline, not a code share. So in reality, not a big cost for either WS or EK... but a potential revenue enhancer for both.

Its not as if AC is going to help passengers get onto the EK flight.   

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26005 posts, RR: 22
Reply 14, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3291 times:

Quoting yegbey01 (Reply 1):
Now they will ask WJ to lobby Ottawa
Quoting Tinosky (Reply 11):
WJ is considering Premium economy.
Quoting yegbey01 (Reply 12):
WJ can only add very little to EK.
Quoting Tinosky (Thread starter):
WJ is Canada's LCC.

Common error but WestJet's code is WS, not WJ which is another Canadian carrier, Air Labrador.


User currently offlineAA767LOVER From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2007, 609 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3263 times:

Quoting C172Akula (Reply 4):

I honestly don't see the problem of a WS 737-600 operating the YYC-SEA route. It encourages more competition on the route. Most fly to Vancouver then drive to SEA or drive to SEA since airfares are so bloody expensive with only one carrier on the route. IIRC, AC Jazz canceled the CRJ service? Correct me if I'm wrong on that.

But YYC-DXB makes far more sense on the West than SEA-DXB even if YYC-DXB operated twice weekly frequencies with oil patch workers. It can really make Calgary a powerhouse. Mayor Nenshi should try to court EK into Calgary to feed the West Coast flights rather than everything via YYZ. YYC-DXB could see a 77L on the route.



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User currently offlineYXXMIKE From Canada, joined Apr 2008, 310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3153 times:

I will preface this posting by saying, I don't like either airline very much.

I can't help but think of a book title, "shake hands with the devil". After the fight and heat the federal government took to protect Canadian interests WS goes and signs an interline deal. I find it interesting and I think that this really serves no real purpose other than for EK to gain extra ground in the Canadian market, and they'll dance with anybody so WS was the suitor. This deal makes little sense for WS, I just don't know how many of the their clients will want to fly YMM - YYC - YYZ - DXB - Other? When a YMM - YEG - LHR - xyz would work just as well? You can blast me all you want, but I just don't see the upside to this deal for anybody except EK.

I've stated this before on other topics but I just get the feeling WS is bored and like the little sibling they are lacking the attention they once got. They haven't really expanded or really have done much for anyone to say "wow, look at those guys". They are in tough against a very revived AC and have little in the way of good news to share. I know the execs at WS aren't stupid but I also know they crave attention and it's something they don't have and haven't had for sometime. So if this is their way of seeking out some attention, then well done you just shook hands with the devil.


User currently offlineanrec80 From Canada, joined Jan 2011, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3046 times:

Quoting Tinosky (Thread starter):
I was a little surprised with this one since WJ is Canada's LCC. It will be interesting to see where this goes. With Emirates being one of the top airlines, I thought a LCC wouldn't be on the roadmap. I guess they have no choice since Ottawa is giving them a hard time. Clever!
Quoting C172Akula (Reply 4):
by striking a deal with Low cost carrier?

IMHO these days nearly all carriers in North America provide similar level and quality of service - both legacies and LCCs. So I do not see any difference type/name wise, whom to sign an interline with - WS, WN or, say, VX.

Quoting AA767LOVER (Reply 15):
But YYC-DXB makes far more sense on the West than SEA-DXB even if YYC-DXB operated twice weekly frequencies with oil patch workers. It can really make Calgary a powerhouse. Mayor Nenshi should try to court EK into Calgary to feed the West Coast flights rather than everything via YYZ. YYC-DXB could see a 77L on the route.

Yes, it would be beneficial for Alberta. I do not really understand common Canadian stance "what we have now is already good for you". I think though most people even in Canada would prefer to be given a choice and choose, rather than be told that what we have is good.

Quoting YXXMIKE (Reply 16):
I can't help but think of a book title, "shake hands with the devil". After the fight and heat the federal government took to protect Canadian interests WS goes and signs an interline deal. I find it interesting and I think that this really serves no real purpose other than for EK to gain extra ground in the Canadian market, and they'll dance with anybody so WS was the suitor.

Lol. Now WS is almost a traitor. What label will they carry next - a "political prostitute'? Yes, it can strengthen the case of EK in their fight for frequency increase, some visibility for WS, with next to zero costs. EK can also provide some pax for WS flights out of YYZ. And maybe YYC if/when EK get there.


User currently offlineanrec80 From Canada, joined Jan 2011, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3016 times:

Quoting anrec80 (Reply 17):
I find it interesting and I think that this really serves no real purpose other than for EK to gain extra ground in the Canadian market, and they'll dance with anybody so WS was the suitor. This deal makes little sense for WS, I just don't know how many of the their clients will want to fly YMM - YYC - YYZ - DXB - Other? When a YMM - YEG - LHR - xyz would work just as well?

A place like YMM is isolated, and living there does get tough at times. It's in direct interest of Canada and Alberta to help such places become more attractive and populated, and anything that can help people there is of value. What can work better than YMM-YEG-LHR-xyz? Having a choice between YYM-YEG-LHR-xyz and YMM-YYC-DXB-xyz. When living in those places, you hit things like non-working schedules, full flights, unaffordable fares a whole lot more than one would want. So it certainly is in interest of YMM economy to have EK coming to YYC or even YEG, and have a connection to that flight.


User currently offlineaquariusHKG From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2010, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2992 times:

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 9):
- interline already with CX I believe.

Actually CX codeshare with Westjet


User currently onlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2468 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2949 times:

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 9):
I think this is further evidence that WS is sliding away from the LCC model

There is no definition that states an LCC can't interline or codeshare.



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User currently offlineC172Akula From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 1010 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2820 times:

Well since we are using YMM as the example I would say there are quite a lot of options currently for them:

-YMM--YEG-LHR (AC)

-YMM-YYC-LHR (on AC and BA)
-YMM-YYC-FRA (on AC and LH)
-YMM-YYC-AMS (KL)
-YMM-YYC-NRT (AC)

I find using YMM somewhat unrealistic, as by far the majority of workers up there are from Canada. I can't see many of them hopping across the pond (with a few exceptions) to go home.

Quoting AA767LOVER (Reply 15):
Mayor Nenshi should try to court EK into Calgary to feed the West Coast flights rather than everything via YYZ.

Not too much our mayor can do about this, since it is a federal matter. Besides, he has his hands full trying to get more money out of the province and the feds for infrastructure deficit improvements.


User currently onlineyyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16368 posts, RR: 56
Reply 22, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2682 times:

Quoting YXD172 (Reply 7):
Considering the terminal set-up in YYZ, for canadian outbound PAX I can't think of any worse of a connection to make. Sure, your bags will be checked through, but you still have to take the train between the terminals and then head back through security.

Maybe EK will switch to T3.

Quoting Tinosky (Thread starter):
I was a little surprised with this one since WJ is Canada's LCC.

No surprise. The label LCC is misleading. WJ already has a code-share agreement with AA for instance, and their inflight service is as good as AC's.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26005 posts, RR: 22
Reply 23, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2551 times:

Quoting C172Akula (Reply 21):
Well since we are using YMM as the example I would say there are quite a lot of options currently for them:

-YMM--YEG-LHR (AC)

-YMM-YYC-LHR (on AC and BA)
-YMM-YYC-FRA (on AC and LH)
-YMM-YYC-AMS (KL)
-YMM-YYC-NRT (AC)

Don't forget AC also has 2 daily A319 nonstops YMM-YYZ where they can connect to their entire Europe network, plus the many other transatlantic carriers serving YYZ.


User currently offlineyegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1732 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2530 times:

Now I find it ridiculous that this thread has become focused on YMM. YMM is a tiny tiny market.

EK or WJ did not have YMM in their mind when they decided to interline.


25 longhauler : EK and EY were offered YYC, and YVR which they declined. This was in addition to YYZ. This is a common practise in Canada, to "share the wealth". Try
26 yyz717 : Agreed. This is no big deal. The codeshare with AA is bigger news. Not sure. Perhaps not.
27 YXD172 : I don't think so, at least not without taking up two gates at once - and it would definitely be main-deck loading only, with only one door in use at
28 YTZ : I don't know why people keep describing WS as an LCC. Westjet is not Ryanair, Easyjet or even Southwest. It's just less of a full service airline than
29 YTZ : Exactly. Nenshi can try and woo EK and/or EY to YYC. And I am willing to bet that if he was successful that the federal government would be more than
30 yyz717 : As much as I intensely dislike EK's business philosophy and market distorting behaviour, I see this interline agreement as a simple, common agreement
31 Viscount724 : Most industry observers consider WS a LCC. Without a premium class product, no airport lounges, a second (or third)-rate frequent flyer program, no a
32 Post contains images WestJet747 : They'll never dent AC's *international* business markets. I fly YYZ-YUL frequently with WS (actually, ONLY with WS) and I find that an overwhelming m
33 longhauler : I would guess they are trying to be more like Canadi>n. (I hope they have better luck)
34 czbbflier : A little Off Topic: They should have better luck: they don't have a "Wardair"-like competitor to buy out, only then to be saddled with monstrous debt
35 JoeCanuck : I think you're right. I can see premium economy and maybe getting into an alliance. No reason to blast...this gives the passenger a choice...same num
36 Post contains images YXXMIKE : I didn't know that, so I checked out both websites to see if they actually offer it any flights. Did a YVR - DXB and EK puts you through IAH with CO
37 YXD172 : Trying YWG-DXB on a Monday, Wednesday or Friday (the only days that YYZ-DXB operates) booking through EK's site. I get AC268 to YYZ, connecting to EK
38 fly2yyz : Did you notice that this was only on the YUL-YYZ flights? WS offers Wine, and Beer complimentary on their triangle flights a la PD. They also impleme
39 Post contains images WestJet747 : To be honest, 95% of my WS flights are YYZ-YUL return and I have never noticed I was never made aware of this policy (as I've never missed a flight)!
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