The FAA is investigating why ATC at PIT airport allowed 6 planes took off from a closed runway this past Thursday. I guess the runway was closed for maintenance but somehow the ground ATC staff either wasn't aware of it or they failed to remember that. Apparently there was no problems, but it still this is an apparently boo-boo that needs investigation as it could have been some serious problems.
Mir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 20466 posts, RR: 56 Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 7686 times:
Quoting shufflemoomin (Reply 1): Wasn't there an accident once where a plane crashed into maintenance trucks on a runway? Luckily this played out fine, but as you said, it could have gone much worse. It was nothing but luck.
You're thinking of the Singapore crash in Taipei.
And let's try and keep things in perspective - in that accident, there was actual construction and equipment on the runway. That is not always the case with a closed runway. ATC isn't going to clear an airplane for takeoff on a runway if they see that sort of thing, even if they think the runway is open. This was a misunderstanding, but nobody was in danger.
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NWAROOSTER From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 941 posts, RR: 3 Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 7147 times:
Quoting tb727 (Reply 4): Yep an Ozark DC-9-30 hit a plow in FSD, replaced the wing and plane flew until just a few years ago with NW.
This aircraft a DC-9-31, registration N994Z. Both main wings wee replaced off an Air Canada DC-9-32 that had a rear lav fire and made an emergency landing in Ohio. The aircraft flew with a -31 fuselage and -32 wings until Delta retired it.
This aircraft flew with Northeast Airlines, Delta Airlines, Ozark Airlines, Republic Airlines, after it got the new wings, Northwest Airlines and finished it flying career with Delta Airlines.
OB1783P From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 325 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5184 times:
Quoting shufflemoomin (Reply 1): Wasn't there an accident once where a plane crashed into maintenance trucks on a runway?
On landing also, a Western DC-10 with major loss of life, back in 1979 in MEX. But the main cause of the crash was "Non-compliance with the meteorological minima for the approach procedure." The aircraft touched down partly in the grass before attempting to go-around. And then it hit the truck on the closed runway.
I've flown thousands of miles and I can tell you it's a lot safer than crossing the street!
thrufru From Marshall Islands, joined Feb 2009, 212 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4162 times:
Unfortunately, ASAP reports won't do any good. An ASAP must be a single reporting incident, meaning the only way anyone would find out is if the individual party that had the incident reported it. Since this involved multiple parties, it won't qualify under ASAP. Now a NASA report might be a bit more appropriate, though. Guess it also seems like a few flight crews didn't review their NOTAMs.
Mir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 20466 posts, RR: 56 Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2630 times:
Quoting thrufru (Reply 8): Guess it also seems like a few flight crews didn't review their NOTAMs.
NOTAMS change very quickly. I've had NOTAMS of approaches being out of service, and when I show up ATC says it's fine. I'm very cautious on the way down, of course, but I'll use the approach if they want me to. And if ATC clears me to use a runway that's NOTAMed closed, I'm inclined to do so as long as I don't see any obstructions on it. The most likely cause of that scenario (by a wide margin) is that someone went and changed the NOTAM between then and the time I checked them.
dxing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2593 times:
Quoting thrufru (Reply 8): Unfortunately, ASAP reports won't do any good. An ASAP must be a single reporting incident, meaning the only way anyone would find out is if the individual party that had the incident reported it.
That's not the way it is where I work. You have 24 hours in which to file your ASAP once you realize your mistake, or a third party brings it to your attention, or you get to a place where you can file your ASAP.
Yes, but this notam had been out since morning and the departures evidently happened later in the day.
I can't count the amount of times I've had to call LGA to see if they were going to extend their notamed construction curfew hours due to a ground delay program. Most times they have since the weather precluded the construction work from happening, but every-once in a while they stick to it so you have to vigilant. Especially true down in central and south America. When they say they are going to close, you can bank on it.
Since it was day time and the maintenance involved the runway lights its not that big of a deal. But let's say a chunk of concrete had been damaged by lightening leaving a hole in the runway.....that could have been a major problem.