tridum From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 49 posts, RR: 0 Posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8827 times:
Today while picking up my sister at ORD I saw a Virgin Atlantic A340. I had heard Virgin was going to start service to ORD but did not know it began already. When did Virgin start flying to ORD again and what routes do they fly?
ckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 4937 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 8590 times:
I think VS started some time before 9/11, and then pulled out of ORD with the traffic downturn post 9/11. It seems to me that VS has problems at ORD. UA gets a lot of connecting traffic at ORD. AA/BA get connecting traffic from AA at ORD and from BA at LHR. VS has to rely much more on O&D traffic at London and Chicago.
sevenheavy From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 1137 posts, RR: 10 Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 7941 times:
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 2):
VS has started and stopped ORD several times (did they ever start right around 9/11 or did they announce and then can
Hardly several times. They ran it from around 1999 and had to suspend it just after 9-11. It was eventually restarted a couple of years ago on a seasonal basis, the length of which has gradually been increased each year. The flight will restart again in 2012, slightly earlier than in 2011
By all accounts the service is very successful.
This will be a prime candidate for the A333 when they start doing LHR flights next year. It may even make year round service viable
jfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 7846 posts, RR: 8 Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 7422 times:
Quoting GSTBA (Reply 5): That is correct VS's operate a daily A343 from LHR to ORD during the Summer season. This Summer flights recommenced on the 09th May and will continue through until the 16th October
IF Virgin were to join the Star alliance they could fly to Chiacgo year round with United feed. Hey wouldn't be funny if we saw Virgin Atlantic in Texas, in Houston, now that would dramaic.
vhtje From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 343 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 7063 times:
I have been doing LHR > ORD > LHR on two week rotations for business since June. All my flights have been on BA and they have been absolutely chockers - I routinely have paid around £2,000 for a return premium economy seat, and on one late-notice trip bought the very last seat on the flight for a staggering £1,800 for economy.
Club prices have been other world-high (e.g. £2,800 to upgrade the return leg - I have not dared ask my client to pay that!)
BA are clearly making a killing on this route - at least over the Summer - why can't VS?
(PS BA's 77W, which I normally get, is a superb aircraft)
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16564 posts, RR: 52 Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 7032 times:
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 11): IF Virgin were to join the Star alliance they could fly to Chiacgo year round with United feed. Hey wouldn't be funny if we saw Virgin Atlantic in Texas, in Houston, now that would dramaic.
If VS joined Star Alliance it would help them in Chicago and Toronto if they chose to relaunch that route.
fraspotter From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2325 posts, RR: 10 Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6752 times:
Can't remember if it was during the summer of '99 or the summer of '01 but I remember seeing a Virgin Atlantic 747 Classic at ORD on my way to FRA... Really neat to see something different in the sea of UA and AA...
"Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak."
slinky09 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2009, 685 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6010 times:
I've taken the 39/40 service several times this year and it is always near to full or full, and would love to see it year round. But, as mentioned VS has some problems - Chicago (despite being a wonderful city) is not high on UK visitor lists, so O&D while good in Summer is poor in Winter. VS also suffers from not being in an alliance at what is really a two alliance dominated airport - as per the poster, BA creams money off customers to ORD ...
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 16): . . . at filling the airplane with holidaymakers? If it is so successful, why can they not run it year-round, as every other carrier manages to do several times a day?
Not just holiday makers ... and I'd love to see this happen, I wonder if VX expands at ORD that might present a boost and an opportunity.
sevenheavy From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 1137 posts, RR: 10 Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4883 times:
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 20): But if it's seasonal, it almost has to be heavily leisure or VFR, doesn't it?
It's not that the route wouldn't work year round. Most north Atlantic routes are loss makers in the winter and ORD is no different or worse than JFK, BOS and many others. Since the route restarted it has been paired with the CPT route which operates winter only. The aircraft (not the exact aircraft, but from a fleet planning perspective) that operates to ORD in the summer operates to CPT in the winter.
That way VS get two travel peak periods from one aircraft and reduce their exposure to seasonal demand fluctuations.
Well, as they say, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. The ORD flights already run full in all cabins with comparable yields to other carriers and other VS east coast U.S. Routes (I know ORD isn't quite east coast but still......)
So, flying summer only doesn't seem to be hurting the viability of the route. There are actually far more corporate contracts than you would think. Besides, long term, when the right aircraft is available, who says VS won't go year round? They haven't yet but it doesn't mean they won't.