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User currently offlinetridum From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 49 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 9395 times:

Today while picking up my sister at ORD I saw a Virgin Atlantic A340. I had heard Virgin was going to start service to ORD but did not know it began already. When did Virgin start flying to ORD again and what routes do they fly?

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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8425 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (3 years 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 9240 times:
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Think they fly only in the summer to Chicago.

User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23148 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (3 years 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 9197 times:

VS has started and stopped ORD several times (did they ever start right around 9/11 or did they announce and then can it?).


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User currently offlineckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5272 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (3 years 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 9158 times:

I think VS started some time before 9/11, and then pulled out of ORD with the traffic downturn post 9/11. It seems to me that VS has problems at ORD. UA gets a lot of connecting traffic at ORD. AA/BA get connecting traffic from AA at ORD and from BA at LHR. VS has to rely much more on O&D traffic at London and Chicago.

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25638 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (3 years 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 9129 times:

Quoting ckfred (Reply 3):
think VS started some time before 9/11, and then pulled out of ORD with the traffic downturn post 9/11

If memory correct, VS started both ORD and YYZ about the same time and both were dropped about the same time. They never restarted YYZ.


User currently offlineGSTBA From UK - England, joined Apr 2010, 465 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (3 years 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 9014 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 1):
Think they fly only in the summer to Chicago.

That is correct VS's operate a daily A343 from LHR to ORD during the Summer season. This Summer flights recommenced on the 09th May and will continue through until the 16th October


User currently offlinekiffy From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 203 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 8729 times:

Its Flight VS39/40 from/to Heathrow.

[Edited 2011-10-01 22:34:35]

User currently offlineGSTBA From UK - England, joined Apr 2010, 465 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (3 years 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 8586 times:

Quoting kiffy (Reply 6):
Its Flight VS39/40 from/to Heathrow.

   The schedule for the majority of the season was:

VS039 LHR 11:00 ORD 13:55 343 D

VS040 ORD 18:00 LHR 08:00* 343 D

A reduced frequency operates/operated:

09MAY to 22MAY flights operated 4 x Weekly (x2,3,5).
20SEP to 26OCT flight operating 6 x Weekly (No flight on Tue)

According to the VS website flights will restart for S12 on Monday 7th May 2012..


User currently offlinesevenheavy From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 1156 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (3 years 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 8509 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 2):

VS has started and stopped ORD several times (did they ever start right around 9/11 or did they announce and then can

Hardly several times. They ran it from around 1999 and had to suspend it just after 9-11. It was eventually restarted a couple of years ago on a seasonal basis, the length of which has gradually been increased each year. The flight will restart again in 2012, slightly earlier than in 2011

By all accounts the service is very successful.

This will be a prime candidate for the A333 when they start doing LHR flights next year. It may even make year round service viable



So long 701, it was nice knowing you.
User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2987 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (3 years 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8466 times:

Am I right in thinking that the VS 787 order was announced in Chicago at the same time as they resumed services to ORD in 2007?

User currently offline747fan From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1187 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (3 years 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8219 times:

VS39/40 has also been operated by an A346 on occasion lately, including much of last week. Would like to see this flight go year-round at some point.

User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8425 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (3 years 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 7990 times:
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Quoting GSTBA (Reply 5):
That is correct VS's operate a daily A343 from LHR to ORD during the Summer season. This Summer flights recommenced on the 09th May and will continue through until the 16th October

IF Virgin were to join the Star alliance they could fly to Chiacgo year round with United feed. Hey wouldn't be funny if we saw Virgin Atlantic in Texas, in Houston, now that would dramaic.


User currently offlinevhtje From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 376 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7631 times:
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I have been doing LHR > ORD > LHR on two week rotations for business since June. All my flights have been on BA and they have been absolutely chockers - I routinely have paid around £2,000 for a return premium economy seat, and on one late-notice trip bought the very last seat on the flight for a staggering £1,800 for economy.

Club prices have been other world-high (e.g. £2,800 to upgrade the return leg - I have not dared ask my client to pay that!)

BA are clearly making a killing on this route - at least over the Summer - why can't VS?

(PS BA's 77W, which I normally get, is a superb aircraft)


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16883 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (3 years 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7600 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 11):
IF Virgin were to join the Star alliance they could fly to Chiacgo year round with United feed. Hey wouldn't be funny if we saw Virgin Atlantic in Texas, in Houston, now that would dramaic.

If VS joined Star Alliance it would help them in Chicago and Toronto if they chose to relaunch that route.



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User currently offlinefraspotter From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2357 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (3 years 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 7320 times:

Can't remember if it was during the summer of '99 or the summer of '01 but I remember seeing a Virgin Atlantic 747 Classic at ORD on my way to FRA... Really neat to see something different in the sea of UA and AA...


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User currently offlinetallguy14 From United States of America, joined Jul 2002, 228 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 7043 times:
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Hello-- I was at ORD yesterday taking photos, and here's the VS A340 of which you speak. Love the ruby red engines!


[Edited 2011-10-02 09:02:54]

User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23148 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (3 years 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6886 times:

Quoting sevenheavy (Reply 8):
By all accounts the service is very successful.

. . . at filling the airplane with holidaymakers? If it is so successful, why can they not run it year-round, as every other carrier manages to do several times a day?



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineslinky09 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2009, 843 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6578 times:

I've taken the 39/40 service several times this year and it is always near to full or full, and would love to see it year round. But, as mentioned VS has some problems - Chicago (despite being a wonderful city) is not high on UK visitor lists, so O&D while good in Summer is poor in Winter. VS also suffers from not being in an alliance at what is really a two alliance dominated airport - as per the poster, BA creams money off customers to ORD ...

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 16):
. . . at filling the airplane with holidaymakers? If it is so successful, why can they not run it year-round, as every other carrier manages to do several times a day?

Not just holiday makers ... and I'd love to see this happen, I wonder if VX expands at ORD that might present a boost and an opportunity.


User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (3 years 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6517 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 13):
If VS joined Star Alliance it would help them in Chicago

If they did join Star they would be better of dumping ORD and leaving that to UA, its a token route for VS. I would have them fly to BOS from LHR, if and I say if they joined Star.


User currently offlinesevenheavy From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 1156 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (3 years 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5911 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 16):
Quoting sevenheavy (Reply 8):
By all accounts the service is very successful.

. . . at filling the airplane with holidaymakers? If it is so successful, why can they not run it year-round, as every other carrier manages to do several times a day?

What are you basing that on? Hard data or assumption? The premium traffic is what has made the route viable and the mix is almost identical to BA/AA/UA.

The issue with the year round service has already been covered. The lack of U.S. feed compared to the rest makes it difficult in the winter......for now.

VS might not be a big player in the market. Doesn't mean they don't have a worthy place on the route.



So long 701, it was nice knowing you.
User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23148 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (3 years 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5667 times:

Quoting sevenheavy (Reply 19):
The premium traffic is what has made the route viable and the mix is almost identical to BA/AA/UA.

But if it's seasonal, it almost has to be heavily leisure or VFR, doesn't it?

Look, if they can make Chicago work as a tourist route, that's great and they ought to do it. But if they can't get business people to fly them to Chicago, that's a red flag for me.



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlinesevenheavy From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 1156 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (3 years 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5451 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 20):
But if it's seasonal, it almost has to be heavily leisure or VFR, doesn't it?

It's not that the route wouldn't work year round. Most north Atlantic routes are loss makers in the winter and ORD is no different or worse than JFK, BOS and many others. Since the route restarted it has been paired with the CPT route which operates winter only. The aircraft (not the exact aircraft, but from a fleet planning perspective) that operates to ORD in the summer operates to CPT in the winter.

That way VS get two travel peak periods from one aircraft and reduce their exposure to seasonal demand fluctuations.



So long 701, it was nice knowing you.
User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23148 posts, RR: 20
Reply 22, posted (3 years 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5428 times:

Quoting sevenheavy (Reply 21):
That way VS get two travel peak periods from one aircraft and reduce their exposure to seasonal demand fluctuations

Which is a lovely money making strategy today. But how do you build a foundation for the long-haul (pardon the pun) in Chicago only flying there 7 months a year?



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlinesevenheavy From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 1156 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (3 years 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5285 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 22):

Well, as they say, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. The ORD flights already run full in all cabins with comparable yields to other carriers and other VS east coast U.S. Routes (I know ORD isn't quite east coast but still......)

So, flying summer only doesn't seem to be hurting the viability of the route. There are actually far more corporate contracts than you would think. Besides, long term, when the right aircraft is available, who says VS won't go year round? They haven't yet but it doesn't mean they won't.



So long 701, it was nice knowing you.
User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23148 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (3 years 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5223 times:

Quoting sevenheavy (Reply 23):
Besides, long term, when the right aircraft is available, who says VS won't go year round? They haven't yet but it doesn't mean they won't.

The 742 was the right aircraft, then it wasn't.

The 343 was the right aircraft, then it wasn't.

What is the "right aircraft?" And does it have gold-plated lavs, gorgeous flight attendants and perfectly done steak and lobster for dinner?



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
25 sevenheavy : Once again, based on assumptions!. Look at the facts, the first period of ORD service with the B742 was ended because demand for air travel dropped o
26 Post contains images sevenheavy : Actually, yes! (with the exception of the gold plated lavs) Are you seriously telling me gorgeous F/A's, steak and lobster are wrong? That goes for a
27 tridum : Tall Guy-I like that picture. I only saw it from Manheim Rd and it was a surprise so I didn't linger at it (even if I could have). Its a shame that VS
28 Post contains links and images Jacobin777 : I flew ORD-LHR-ORD on VS's B742 back in 2001. Had to be the worst two flights I've ever had (of the hundreds of flights I've been on). Service was at
29 LAXintl : And how many of those people flew to Chicago to actually see and stay in Chicago?? Its not nearly as big of a true market due to fact that two major
30 Cubsrule : . . . and, presumably, cut their least profitable routes. Why would they do anything else? Why? How much less fuel does a 333 burn on the same flight
31 Jacobin777 : Does VS care if their final destination isn't Chicago?
32 LAXintl : Sure they do. The ORD local market is much smaller then the 2million count you mentioned. VS is not going to get the connection flow. Such traffic st
33 anstar : This route is doing quite well for VS in the season it operates. The seasonal pairing with Capetown works very well and despite the doubters - UPPER s
34 skipness1E : Um it was going to be dropped again and it was a surprise it came back for summer 2011. It's a market VS struggle to make an impact in and symptomatic
35 sevenheavy : So is this an anti 4 engined aircraft thing, or maybe anti VS as a whole? I dont understand your fixation with trying to prove that the route is a fa
36 Post contains images slinky09 : VS already does . There's a mix like any other, but when I've flown there have been a good load of business passengers. Which was the point I was try
37 UAL777UK : Sorry my mistake I should have said concentrate on routes they are already on where there is a Star gap to the states from LHR i.e BOS, MIA etc?
38 skipness1E : Thanks for the sarcasm, I did read it and the point I am trying to make iis that a North Atlantic route that cannot operate year round is of little u
39 Cubsrule : I've done no such thing, just pointed out that VS drops in and out of ORD and that it's tough to predict what VS is going to do in the market. Seems
40 slinky09 : Not sure they've reached a plateau in what they could do - they are also constrained by slot availability and aircraft. While these things all tie to
41 skipness1E : VS have been reducing their slot portfolio at LHR so it's not that. Not to criticise your choice, I do enjoy flying on the VS A340s, but a lot of peo
42 qf002 : Probably because there is more money to be made continuing with what they are doing at the moment. If their summer flights are as successful as this
43 Jacobin777 : So far for the past 5 years, ostensibly it seems it hasn't affected VS's current plan for ORD. If VS joins an alliance, it would help that much more.
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