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Helicopter Crashes In New York's East River  
User currently offlineManuCH From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 3011 posts, RR: 47
Posted (2 years 10 months 22 hours ago) and read 10533 times:
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According to CNN, a helicopter just crashed in New York's East River.

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A helicopter has crashed in New York's East River, according to a Coast Guard official.

Source: http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/10/04...yorks-east-river-coast-guard-says/

This is a developing story and there isn't much else for now. Anyone in the area who knows more?


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User currently onlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2878 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (2 years 10 months 22 hours ago) and read 10063 times:

Some of the local news links:

http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/helicopter-in-east-river-20111104-lgf

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local...rash-East-River-NYC-131072673.html

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?se...ion=news/local/new_york&id=8378652

Some have live feeds from the local choppers and additional info.



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User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4394 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (2 years 10 months 22 hours ago) and read 10009 times:

It must be by 59th street bridge, I see at least 4 news choppers hovering above. OK, now I realize that it is by the heliport around 34th. It is actually pretty nice fall day here in NYC, light winds, overcast skies. Hope they can get to the 5th person soon.

[Edited 2011-10-04 13:10:23]

User currently offlinecanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2839 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (2 years 10 months 22 hours ago) and read 9946 times:

Radio reporting now 5 on board, 4 rescued.


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User currently offlineHaveBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2098 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 10 months 21 hours ago) and read 9145 times:

Sadly the 5th person, a female tourist, is dead. (which is mentioned in an already quoted link above).

Apparently the pilot of this Jet Ranger also successfully emergency landed a Cessna 172, engine out, in Calvert Park back in 2006. If the proverbial sh*t hits the fan, I would like this guy to be at the controls!

Speculation on my part of course but by all accounts it sounds to me like he lost tail rotor effectiveness. Time and NTSB will tell.



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User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13040 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (2 years 10 months 21 hours ago) and read 9144 times:

Apparently the chopper was taking off from the 34th Street heliport along the East River in Manhattan, NY City. It got about 20-30 feet into the air, then started to spin around, losing control, circling around to just off the heliport platform and into the water. It ended upside down in the water, some of the pax clinging to the landing legs to be rescued. Apparently 1 person has died, 4 others on board survived and have been sent to the hospital. The chopper has sunk. Nearby roads and streets have been shut down, there is a traffic mess. Many police and rescue people have responded. Mayor Bloomberg and other officials will be arriving at the site soon.

Sounds like a tail rotor failure.

RIP to the pax who died.


User currently offlineHaveBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2098 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 10 months 21 hours ago) and read 9137 times:

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 5):
Sounds like a tail rotor failure

lol we posted a mere 15 seconds apart, and reached the same conclusion!  



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User currently offlineLGWflyer From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2011, 2348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 10 months 20 hours ago) and read 9062 times:

They are reported to be British tourists. A very terrible thing to happen when you all you want to do is enjoy the city. RIP to the people who lost there lives. Lets hope the other survivors in critical condition survive.   

[Edited 2011-10-04 14:42:36]


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User currently offlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7475 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (2 years 10 months 20 hours ago) and read 9002 times:

http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=138939

Sounds like bad news.


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4394 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (2 years 10 months 20 hours ago) and read 8884 times:

Watching the local CBS news, the police now says there were only 4 people on board, 3 were above the water, 1 had to be retrieved by the scuba team.

User currently offlinecomorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4896 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (2 years 10 months 18 hours ago) and read 8573 times:

Why do tail rotors fail?

Thanks.

RIP


User currently onlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2878 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (2 years 10 months 18 hours ago) and read 8332 times:

Quoting comorin (Reply 10):
Why do tail rotors fail?

Not being a helicopter expert or anything, all I can assume is that just like anything else mechanical...things break. Taking a look at a tail rotor, it's quite the interesting mechanism:




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User currently offlinepropilotjw From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 589 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (2 years 10 months 17 hours ago) and read 7967 times:

Extremely sad today. I've been watching it live on the news since it first broke. They are saying that the female that died was on a trip for her birthday.

They have the location of the helo identified with bouy's. Not sure when they'll be bringing it out of the water.


User currently offlinejetBlue777 From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 1451 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 10 months 16 hours ago) and read 7521 times:

Quoting propilotjw (Reply 12):
the female that died was on a trip for her birthday.

Yes, the saddest part of it. Unfortunately. My thoughts and prayers for her and her family   

Apparently, the pilot of the helicopter had some rough past (news said that he already made an emergency landing in the past)



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User currently offlinewjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5130 posts, RR: 22
Reply 14, posted (2 years 10 months 14 hours ago) and read 6870 times:

If it was "swirling around" as one eyewitness described it, it's an antitorque failure, essentially certainly. What actually caused the loss of antitorque -- i.e. what failed (conx to pedals, linkage, clipped a tail rotor blade, threw a tail rotor blade, etc.) is another question. The spinning stops instantly the moment you chop the power, but at the high power setting undoubtedly used to get off the pad, you're going to be 360 degrees around by the time the brain realizes the failure and you react; sometimes, the brain doesn't react even in experienced pilots before the thing tips over and thrashes itself. Sometimes, the brain struggles against the pilot's training because of the context, seeking an alternative to a low altitude autorotation, in this case into the water, and the thing can be really out of control before you flick your wrist and cut it.

For those unfamiliar with this heliport, there are several side-by-side lanes where the helicopters land, nose facing the wall of the heliport, perpendicular to the river. A typical departure is to pick up to a hover, back out of the slot the way you came in and, once over the river, 180-degree pedal turn and accelerate at constant altitude followed by a climb once you have developed forward speed. Of course, YMMV. I have seen it done conservatively and I have seen it done showy (i.e. high-ish hover followed by nose-high, tail deep down backing, fast pedal turn to nose-down-tail-high and dramatic acceleration). The opportunity to clip something certainly exists in that regime...not to say that this was what the guy was doing; you can clip the pier on the pedal turn in a relatively-flat departure as well.

Interestingly, though, if you are going to have a power failure (or intentional power chop) at low forward speed, the Jet Ranger is a good friend. Because of the mass of the rotor system, there is a lot of kinetic energy available for you to "spend" cushioning the landing or maybe even trying to get back to land. (As an illustration, I have seen a very-highly-skilled instructor bring the rotors of a Jet Ranger to operating speed on the pad, cut the engine, pick it up to a low hover, do a 360-degree pedal turn, and put it back down. It's a very nuanced maneuver, but possible, and testament to the design. Try that in a Robinson.)

It will be interesting to see if there is any security or other video of the actual incident, and what the pilot has to say.


User currently offlinepropilotjw From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 589 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (2 years 10 months 14 hours ago) and read 6838 times:

The helicopter has been pulled out of the water and was transported to an airfield where it will be looked at by the ntsb.

The pilot has been flying for over 20 years and has thousands of hours. Yes, he did have an emergency landing a few years ago in a single engine airplane but that hardly means that he has a tarnished past. From the eye witness accounts, I agree that it seems as though there was a tail rotor problem here. I look forward to seeing what the ntsb finds in their report, we shall wait and see.


User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5410 posts, RR: 30
Reply 16, posted (2 years 10 months 12 hours ago) and read 6433 times:

Are there any requirements for flotation devices either personal or on the helicopters for trips over the water?


What the...?
User currently offlineHaveBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2098 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3685 times:

Quoting propilotjw (Reply 15):
Yes, he did have an emergency landing a few years ago in a single engine airplane but that hardly means that he has a tarnished past.

Actually I think the fact that he successfully put down a Cessna 172 with a malfunctioning engine down in a park in NY without wrecking or injuring himself or others is a testament to how good a pilot he is. That incident wasn't even investigated by the NTSB since it wasn't an 'accident'.

On a more somber note, the girl that died on this helo flight was a close family friend of Paul Dudley, the pilot. The fact that she died on her birthday in his aircraft, despite this probably being beyond his control (tail rotor failure of some kind most likely), this will haunt him for a long time I am sure.



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User currently offlinewjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5130 posts, RR: 22
Reply 18, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3368 times:

Seems like additional witnesses haven't said it was spinning like a top, so maybe not antitorque failure. Would have been the uniform description. Pilot had 1500 rotorcraft hours and a commercial ticket. Copter was one day out of heavy maintenance. Interesting facts.

User currently onlinemicstatic From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 776 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3329 times:

Quoting wjcandee (Reply 18):
Copter was one day out of heavy maintenance. Interesting facts.

Where can I read this from the source?



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User currently offlinewjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5130 posts, RR: 22
Reply 20, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3192 times:

Quoting micstatic (Reply 19):
Quoting wjcandee (Reply 18):
Copter was one day out of heavy maintenance. Interesting facts.

Where can I read this from the source?
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/p...ght_history_ffuQB7CaD1u79xioY3wxHM


User currently onlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2878 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2767 times:

Hey folks. I don't mean to "bump a thread up", but there was additional information on the news this morning. A second fatality from injuries suffered in this crash, the partner of the first passenger that died in the crash. Very sad.   

http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/Seco...ger-In-Chopper-Crash-Dies-20111012



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