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What's NH Been Doing With Their 787 So Far?  
User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21417 posts, RR: 60
Posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 15616 times:

Just wondering if anyone has the inside skinny on what NH (ANA) has been doing with the 787. Have they been running training flights, using it to train maintenance workers, etc.


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User currently offlinemffoda From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1019 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 15469 times:

Might not be exactly the next place the 787 goes... But, you asked news.  

From the street.com

"Mark the day -- Saturday, Jan. 21, 2012. That's when the first commercial European flight by the Boeing 787 will arrive in Frankfurt."

http://www.thestreet.com/story/11269...-dreamliner-heads-for-germany.html



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User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21417 posts, RR: 60
Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 15422 times:

Quoting mffoda (Reply 1):
Might not be exactly the next place the 787 goes... But, you asked news.

No, this really is not what I'm interested in at all. Nor is it anywhere on topic.



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User currently offlinemffoda From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1019 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 15153 times:

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 2):

Just trying to be helpful    ...



harder than woodpecker lips...
User currently offlinecarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2910 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 14651 times:

I am pretty much sure it’s not just sitting at Haneda idly. There haven’t been reports of the 787 flying around Japan, yet so all the engineers at ANA are tinkering with all the new features.

User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6840 posts, RR: 64
Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 14504 times:

I was at Haneda twice on Monday and looked hard for it. But no sign.  

Good news is that I'll almost certainly be flying on it next month!


User currently offlinekoruman From Australia, joined Feb 2006, 3528 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 14323 times:

Do we know what its actual range is? I keep hearing stories that it has massively under-performed, but do they have any veracity?

User currently offlineKPDX From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2690 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 14293 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 5):
I was at Haneda twice on Monday and looked hard for it. But no sign.  

Good news is that I'll almost certainly be flying on it next month!

Shame you couldn't see it, but I'm sure you'll enjoy listening to the music of those new Rolls-Royce Trent 1000s on your flight!   



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User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6840 posts, RR: 64
Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 14112 times:

Quoting KPDX (Reply 7):
I'm sure you'll enjoy listening to the music of those new Rolls-Royce Trent 1000s

Oh yes!   


User currently offlineZKEOJ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2005, 972 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 12938 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 5):
Good news is that I'll almost certainly be flying on it next month!

me too - YAY! Can't wait!

Re topic: I assume that crews and tech staff get familiarised with it on the ground, before the first internal test/comemrcial flights.  

Cheers
micha


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 11929 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 11166 times:

Quoting ZKEOJ (Reply 9):
Re topic: I assume that crews and tech staff get familiarised with it on the ground, before the first internal test/comemrcial flights.

And enjoying the "new car smell" before the pax come along and mess everything up! 



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4692 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 10820 times:

Quoting ikramerica (Thread starter):
Just wondering if anyone has the inside skinny on what NH (ANA) has been doing with the 787.

Sorry for asking but I've away for 2 weeks... Has NH taken delivery of the long awaited B787???

EK413



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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5064 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10480 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 11):
Sorry for asking but I've away for 2 weeks... Has NH taken delivery of the long awaited B787???

Away as in off the grid or planet? Yes is the answer to your question.



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4692 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 9909 times:

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 12):
Away as in off the grid or planet? Yes is the answer to your question.

Away as in holidaying or VACATION as the Americans call it  

Cheers...

EK413



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User currently offlineJAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1491 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9380 times:

When does ANA get its second 787? And who else gets them this year? Anybody?

Does Boeing have staff assisting ANA during the familiarization period, or is ANA on its own from this point forward?


User currently offlinefpetrutiu From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 866 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6643 times:

Quoting koruman (Reply 6):
Do we know what its actual range is? I keep hearing stories that it has massively under-performed, but do they have any veracity?

It made it to Japan, didn't it? LOL

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 14):
Does Boeing have staff assisting ANA during the familiarization period, or is ANA on its own from this point forward?

I believe it's the 16th or something like that.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 16, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6228 times:

Quoting koruman (Reply 6):
Do we know what its actual range is? I keep hearing stories that it has massively under-performed, but do they have any veracity?

I'm hearing even the "massively under-performing" frames will be more efficient than its closest competitors. Hearing lots of good stuff about the plane..  



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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6265 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6089 times:

Quoting fpetrutiu (Reply 15):

It made it to Japan, didn't it? LOL

I'm sure a 737 could do it with no pax and no cargo and full tanks   How often do airliners get to do that, though...



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User currently offlinefpetrutiu From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 866 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5223 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 17):
I'm sure a 737 could do it with no pax and no cargo and full tanks How often do airliners get to do that, though...

It made it to Japan on full load as well before. The test flight to Japan was simulating ETOPS with full load as well.


User currently offlineha763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3596 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 4057 times:
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Quoting KELPkid (Reply 17):
I'm sure a 737 could do it with no pax and no cargo and full tanks How often do airliners get to do that, though...

If a regular 737NG could, it would be doing it on every delivery flight for ANA and JAL. However, it cannot so they stop off in Alaska or Hawaii. Probably the only 737s that did fly non-stop to Japan from Seattle were the 737-700ERs that ANA ordered.


User currently offlinecanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2828 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3837 times:

Quoting ZKEOJ (Reply 9):
me too - YAY! Can't wait!

You two should get together and do a trip report.

Quoting fpetrutiu (Reply 18):
It made it to Japan on full load as well before. The test flight to Japan was simulating ETOPS with full load as well.

Were they ANA employees or Boeing employees? None of the 787 program people I know have a recent passport stamp from Japan that I know of.



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User currently offlinedave2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2011, 29 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3802 times:

The plan that NH announced was they would be doing training, test hops, etc. till the planned first scheduled flight. I would assume that Boeing would get there if there was some kind of problem.

User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6840 posts, RR: 64
Reply 22, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3653 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 16):
I'm hearing even the "massively under-performing" frames will be more efficient than its closest competitors.

Well, one would rather hope so. After all, wasn't that the point?

I doubt, however, that early customers will be much consoled by that. These early-builds are not what they originally signed for.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 23, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3680 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 24):
I doubt, however, that early customers will be much consoled by that. These early-builds are not what they originally signed for.

Probably not, but that's the risk one takes and early customers are probably going to be compensated for it.

Quoting PM (Reply 24):
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 16):
I'm hearing even the "massively under-performing" frames will be more efficient than its closest competitors.

Well, one would rather hope so. After all, wasn't that the point?

The point was for the B787 "on spec" or "close to spec" to be the so-called "game changer". The fact its a bit out of spec in terms of weight and SFC yet performing "well" on multiple levels is good news for the program.



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User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6840 posts, RR: 64
Reply 24, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3642 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 25):
Probably not, but that's the risk one takes and early customers are probably going to be compensated for it.

True enough.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 25):
The point was for the B787 "on spec" or "close to spec" to be the so-called "game changer". The fact its a bit out of spec in terms of weight and SFC yet performing "well" on multiple levels is good news for the program.

Oh, I think the 'program' is, at last, getting back on track and I've never doubted the long-term success of the plane. Doubtless, airlines will love it.

I just find it mildly amusing that we're invited to celebrate the fact that after all this time - and almost three and a half years late - Boeing have managed to deliver a plane that isn't worse than the A330-200!  
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 16):
I'm hearing even the "massively under-performing" frames will be more efficient than its closest competitors.


25 Post contains images KELPkid : To answer the original question: I believe Japan requires actual time in type for their pilots, as opposed to pure sim time, so I would imagine that N
26 Post contains images fpetrutiu : No, water bottles... They simulate loads with containers filled with water. Like so:
27 Post contains images Jacobin777 : I think it has hurt Boeing's credibility quite a bit. Not to mention, has put a "dent" on their plans (such as launching the NSA project). At least t
28 starrion : That's a test config though. The delivered aircraft has a full interior. ANA wouldn't pull out the interior to rerig the plane to simulate load. If t
29 Post contains images PM : An' I'm gonna be on it next month!
30 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Grrrrrrrrrrr-lucky you......
31 fpetrutiu : I know, not the same aircraft demonstrated range. It was the test aircrafts and the second ANA plane, the one that visited Japan previously.
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