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Qatar Launching Direct Flights To Helsinki  
User currently offlineg2scandinavia From Norway, joined Jun 2010, 533 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 11396 times:

Qatar airways will present 4 new destinations before Christmas Akbar al Baker (CEO Qatar Airways) said at a press conference in Oslo today. He was happy to announce that Helsinki would be one of these and that a press release was due soon.

No information about type of aircrafts, however according to fleet development its likely to be a 319LR service.
Range vise, it should be easy accessible with the 319LR.

Congratulations Helsinki!

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User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1729 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 11210 times:

Quoting g2scandinavia (Thread starter):

Qatar airways will present 4 new destinations before Christmas Akbar al Baker (CEO Qatar Airways) said at a press conference in Oslo today. He was happy to announce that Helsinki would be one of these and that a press release was due soon.

No information about type of aircrafts, however according to fleet development its likely to be a 319LR service.
Range vise, it should be easy accessible with the 319LR.

Congratulations Helsinki!

I wasnt aware QR announced Helsinki! Congrats! I think QR should start with an A330 right away considering its previous experience with Oslo and Copenhagen. Finland has a smaller population than both countries' but still an A330 will be welcomed.



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User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3274 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 11042 times:

I could see a 3-4x weekly 332 HEL-DOH but they might want to use the -LR to develop the market. But who knows the way OSL took off in pre-bookings. Now QR has the Nordic countries covered....oops maybe KEF is next. 


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User currently offlineg2scandinavia From Norway, joined Jun 2010, 533 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 11039 times:

Don't forget GOT  

User currently offlinedeltamartin From Sweden, joined Dec 2010, 1061 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 11037 times:

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 1):

I wasnt aware QR announced Helsinki! Congrats! I think QR should start with an A330 right away considering its previous experience with Oslo and Copenhagen. Finland has a smaller population than both countries' but still an A330 will be welcomed

I'd say that an A319LR would be the perfect plane for the route at this time, as I'm guessing that Qatar's main market from HEL is Asia, which already is well covered by AY from HEL. So deplying a 330 on the route right from the start would be a mistake in my opinion. Upgrading to 330 when they have enough demand, like they did at ARN and CPH, would probably be a better solution this time too. Especially since, as you say, Finland has a smaller population.


User currently offlineCassi From Hungary, joined Apr 2010, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 10986 times:

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 1):
Finland has a smaller population than both countries'

I don't want to nitpick, but Norway's population is actually smaller (5 million vs 5.38 million).


User currently offlinevadheim From Norway, joined Jul 2000, 623 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 10940 times:

Quoting Cassi (Reply 5):
I don't want to nitpick, but Norway's population is actually smaller (5 million vs 5.38 million).

True -
but there is a big, big difference and that is that Oslo (and Stockholm) has been underserved to Asia... Helsinki is not because of Finnair.


User currently offlineDLBOIFIN From Finland, joined Jun 2006, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 10937 times:

Great news! This is just what we have been missing in HEL! Good to have one of the Gulf-region carriers at my home airport, although I do want to see the press release before doing my happy-dance! 

And as said earlier in this thred, 319LR is just perfect for this flight right now, I guess 332 would be too much of an airplane from the beginning. Of course, if the flight does well, nothing would make me happier than QR 332 in HEL.


User currently onlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 2927 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10892 times:

Great news. Hoping one of the remaining 3 routes announced will be PER. Now that I have the OSL end sorted, now I need the PER route sorted. Really is a lack of one stop services back home (only a badly scheduled TG service)!

HEL will be more difficult than OSL purely due to AY, but early numbers look good for OSL, so I think QR could do well.

-CXfirst



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User currently offlinevadheim From Norway, joined Jul 2000, 623 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10874 times:

I guess QR is good for connections to Africa as well from the Nordics  

User currently offlineLOT767SP-LPA From Poland, joined May 2002, 156 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10803 times:

I guess that WAW is on the list of four to announce by QR

[Edited 2011-10-06 06:17:46]

User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12322 posts, RR: 35
Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 10305 times:

This underlines the advantage QR has in using a smaller type to start services; this way, QR can have a free hand developing smaller markets and then developing them with larger aircraft in due course; I suspect that from next year, it won't be a move from A319/320 to 332, but to 787s instead!

QR has made significant advances in being "first in" to places like SOF, BUD, BUH and others; it can then develop these at its own pace. Clearly, it doesn't want to be flying A32Xs to these places forever, so in time these E. European cities will become widebody destinations.

As to new routes, I wonder if MEX or BOG might figure in their plans; some M/E carrier is going to be first in there; why should it not be QR. Apart from these, I'd bet on another city in China - there are many emerging cities there with large populations and another in Africa, again focusing on the increase in China-Africa travel.

When is QR going to be allowed to serve SYD?


User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1729 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 10274 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 11):

When is QR going to be allowed to serve SYD?

QR are allowed to serve SYD, but they do not want to at the time being because SYD is too saturated.

The other 3 destinations I assume will wide-bodied services I assume. Since Tblisi was moved to February for lack of available aircraft, that means wide-bodied aircraft are available before Christmas--which is just around the corner.



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User currently offlineHELyes From Finland, joined Oct 2010, 849 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 10009 times:

Great news!

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 8):
HEL will be more difficult than OSL purely due to AY, but early numbers look good for OSL, so I think QR could do well.

Yes AY makes HEL tricky, a smallish market with good connections to Asia, will be interesting to see QR's strategy. Anyway all competition is warmly welcome, AY tends to be pricey to Asia from HEL...

[Edited 2011-10-06 11:18:34]

User currently offlineLufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3201 posts, RR: 43
Reply 14, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 9938 times:

Heh... I was pretty sad to get back home from MNL but this made my day. GREAT news. Matter of time when we see QR 333 and EK 777 here I think.


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User currently offlineJalap From Belgium, joined Oct 2007, 355 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 9855 times:

Quoting HELyes (Reply 13):
Yes AY makes HEL tricky, a smallish market with good connections to Asia, will be interesting to see QR's strategy. Anyway all competition is warmly welcome, AY tends to be pricey to Asia from HEL...

Then again, DOH is quite a detour when you're heading to Asia from HEL. On a route like HEL-BKK going via DOH increases the distance by 50%, that must be a handicap when you're competing with AY.


User currently offlineSRQKEF From Iceland, joined Jun 2011, 846 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 9165 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 2):
oops maybe KEF is next.

Now that would be great!

But couldn't it be that QR are maybe looking for HEL-Africa via DOH? Not that much a detour. Just speculating...



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User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 9042 times:

I just can't imagine why QR would want to start such a route? Helsinki of all places. Who do they expect to travel? I can't imagine them having enough passengers to fill an A320.

If I were Helsinki Airport I'd probably find some way to turn the offer down. I think it's going to be tears all round.


User currently offlineBY738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2173 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 9021 times:

So the 5 destinations are likely to be
1. HEL ?
...and
Cant see KEF, BHX or EDI/GLA myself.


User currently offlineHELyes From Finland, joined Oct 2010, 849 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 8972 times:

Quoting Jalap (Reply 15):

Then again, DOH is quite a detour when you're heading to Asia from HEL. On a route like HEL-BKK going via DOH increases the distance by 50%, that must be a handicap when you're competing with AY.

I think they will rather compete with other airlines (LH AF/KL BA) connecting HEL to Asia, especially to the destinations not served well through AY's network, like in the Gulf. Many Finns travel to Asia via big hubs like FRA or AMS, often cheaper than on AY and their partners.

I wouldn't mind flying HEL-BKK on QR, flying via DOH would probably increase the total flying time by 4-5h compairing to the direct flight. In miles HEL-DOH-BKK is only about 20% longer than HEL-BKK. Of course flying to Japan or China the difference is a lot bigger.


User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2226 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 8547 times:

Quoting BY738 (Reply 18):
So the 5 destinations are likely to be
1. HEL ?
...and
Cant see KEF, BHX or EDI/GLA myself.

I have a feeling, and after SOF, BUD and OTP, that it will be either BEG or ZAG, as for the other 4, hmmm, not too sure.



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User currently offlineFilipair From United States of America, joined May 2010, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 8458 times:

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 20):
Quoting BY738 (Reply 18):
So the 5 destinations are likely to be
1. HEL ?
...and
Cant see KEF, BHX or EDI/GLA myself.

I have a feeling, and after SOF, BUD and OTP, that it will be either BEG or ZAG, as for the other 4, hmmm, not too sure.

I think WAW is definitely in the running as a potential destination; Poland has a growing market of travelers to Asia.


User currently offlinedeltamartin From Sweden, joined Dec 2010, 1061 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 8426 times:

Quoting BY738 (Reply 18):
So the 5 destinations are likely to be
1. HEL ?
...and
Cant see KEF, BHX or EDI/GLA myself.

Maybe LIS?


User currently offlineSRQKEF From Iceland, joined Jun 2011, 846 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7898 times:

Quoting BY738 (Reply 18):
Cant see KEF, BHX or EDI/GLA myself.

I think no one was serious about KEF...



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User currently offlineMillwallSean From Singapore, joined Apr 2008, 1217 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 7669 times:

Lets hope for GOT, with it they would have Scandinavia covered. But following their previous pattern of doing this I would assume they would lauch GOT when Helsinki goes daily with A330.

Personally I don't know about Helsinki.
Finland doesn't have as many immigrants as Sweden, not many places in Europe does, but they are not close to the numbers of Norway or Denmark either. So VFR to places like Iran, Iraq, Africa, etc wont see the demand it does from the rest of Scandinavia.
Finns also have AY that's specialised in Asia. So competition to Asia will be tough.
Africa, not sure how popular it is with Finns.

Competition to SE Asia will be similar to the rest of Scandinavia, after all ARN and CPH had daily nonstop BKK flights as well but in this case the alternative is the homecarrier. However a lot of BKK traffic is price driven so with the right price Qatar will fill the plane.
Oslos nonstop to BKK is so new that I'll argue Oslo is a different case to HEL in regards to the huge SE Asia market that exists from all over Scandinavia.
I am not sure how much dedicated charter flights Thompson, Thomas Cook and whatever Kuonis agency up there is called we see from Finland to Thailand?
If it's on the same level as Sweden or less like Norway?
Those numbers will matter when it comes to QR and connections to Phuket etc.



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25 Post contains images icelandair75w : One thing to say... BOS. That is all.
26 HELyes : Yes the demand is rather low. For curiosity I checked in Finland there are roughly 30,000 immigrants from Africa, Middle East, Southern Asia that cou
27 Post contains images axelesgg : And Arlanda
28 Arn777 : Great news but I rather hoped that GOT would be next. Quite strange that they haven't been discovered yet..
29 Post contains images bjorn14 : But more QMiles
30 SASMD82 : Congratz to Helsinki and good to hear that the gulf carriers expand in the Nordic region. I hope that this route will be successful. Any chance that w
31 Post contains images Markam :
32 MH017 : They have been hiring Dutch (speaking) cabincrew recently @ AMS, so that might say something...
33 Ben175 : Please be PER! QR's been teasing us for years.
34 ju068 : I would actually bet on DOH-SKP-BEG. However if they have to compete with flydubai from Belgrade doubt that they would have a stop. Unless it DOH-BEG
35 QatarA340 : Big Untapped markets (by QR): Serbia, Ukraine, Former Soviet Union (Kazakstan, Uzbekstan, Taj.), Iraq, Macedonia. New destinations might include: One
36 BY738 : ...and whick UK departure point ?
37 Lufthansa747 : TK currently takes a lot of Middle East/Africa traffic but their prices rise constantly like there's no tomorrow. Won't be a problem to fill a less th
38 Post contains links ACCOperator : I'm not sure if this has been posted elsewhere, but the new routes have been announced on the Qatar website... New routes: OSLO, Norway ENTEBBE, Ugand
39 lightsaber : What are the mid-east bilateral rights to Poland? I think all of those are ripe for the mid-east carriers. Lightsaber
40 6thfreedom : Not quite accurate. biggest issue with SYD is curfew. note that current DOH-MEL operations turn in MEL 22:30/23:59. services are timed to depart DOH
41 CXfirst : Although these (apart from OSL) haven't started yet, they were announced a while ago, the article just restated the routes that will be starting soon
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