OzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5645 posts, RR: 21 Posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 12450 times:
Went to browse departedflights.com this morning and was saddened to find this message:
"From what I gather, few people have found this site of interest. I've heard very few responses or little if no feedback from anyone. So, I will, for now, discontinue this site. It is not worth my time or effort to keep up this site. For those of you who have written to me, I appreciate it. However, it is simply not worth the effort to continue on. I tried to create a site valuable to all, but it seems to be unappreciated. Again, thanks to those that actually took a few minutes to comment on it."
I know a lot of us resourced this great site often, and used it countless times to answer questions and settle "disputes". Hopefully the webmaster has a change of heart and restarts it. Maybe an A-net campaign and a few donations might change his mind?
Note: I am not the webmaster of the site, nor am I grubbing for money on the webmaster's behalf.
[Edited 2011-10-08 08:56:42 by srbmod]
Next Up: STL-DEN-SLC-SFO-PDX-ORD-STL in 25 hours. Two more states off my list.
RWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4576 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 12427 times:
Wow, it was certainly one I used, to research my recent thread regarding the SEA-PDX tag route. Without departed flights I would have not been as succesful. Sad to see it go, I get the webmasters frustrations, It's hard to feel unappreciated when it takes the amount of time and energy to maintain it. I know it was mentioned tons of times, on many threads on A.net as a source of reliable information. Thanks for the work that was done, allowing many of us a great source of info, too little too late I guess.
DCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4648 posts, RR: 31
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 23 hours ago) and read 11873 times:
The shutdown of Departedflights.com is a great loss. As the OP noted, it has been a major resource for us at A.net. If the webmaster isn't getting enough support to keep it up, could Airliners.net adopt the site and keep it running as a section of our site, supported by this site's advertising and donations? Much as we have pages for aircraft information, etc.?
I had no idea that Departedflights.com wasn't getting enough support. I for one referenced it regularly.
Need a new airline paint scheme? Better call Saul! (Bass that is)
You get all of Google's page results for the site, and all the links still work. So start saving the data! Maybe if we can get a good backup of all the information here, one of us with the resources to put up a site can create a new site to house the data. I have to leave my house for a while but if no one else begins to back up this data, I will do it myself and then figure out what to do with it later.
At the very least I could store all of this stuff on my computer for the time being and then try to figure out a new home for it at a later date.
safetyDemo From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 22 hours ago) and read 11714 times:
I used this site often. When I was a little boy start-ups were all over the place, and I'd run to departedflights often as I randomly remembered a different name or airplane from my childhood to see what they were about.
Sad to see it go. I think it has a valuable place on the net for archiving aviation history.
Please direct your attention to the flight attendants in the cabin...
IrishAyes From Israel, joined Jan 2008, 2538 posts, RR: 16
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 22 hours ago) and read 11597 times:
This site was more than appreciated. It was frequented by a lot of people, there was just not a means or a forum to provide feedback. Was there even a comments area? It was sort of like how wikipedia works. BRING IT BACK!
mrskyguy From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1214 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 22 hours ago) and read 11590 times:
Wow, what a loss.. but I have to say it because it appears that nobody else will. My first reaction upon reading the WM's explanation was one of disgust. This is the internet, and our hobby represents an extremely small slice of it. We're smart, serious, and extremely detailed in our knowledge and interest of civil aviation. But what we have in quality, we lack in numbers.
What did the WM expect? Those of us who did enjoy DepartedFlights showed our support by visiting and using the site. As wonderful of a resource as it was, its not Google.. even if everyone in our niche community used it, it wouldn't be that many people.
So my advice to anyone building a website for our hobby.. keep your expectations low. Even if it's as useful as an RZjets, DepartedFlights, etc. its still not likely to get a wild amount of hits, despite its usefulness and appreciated status.
"The strength of the turbulence is directly proportional to the temperature of your coffee." -- Gunter's 2nd Law of Air
Aloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4554 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 21 hours ago) and read 11508 times:
Currently in the process of saving complete HTML copies of every page. this will take a few hours. some were down and I had to use a cached copy, but if there's anyone here who knows how to build a website and wants to begin the process of setting one up I can provide the source material. Let me know, otherwise I'll do it myself down the road.
I can sympathize with the website owner, though... several years ago I ran a rather unique aviation website and almost never got any feedback, though I was aware the pages were viewed heavily and came to find out later the site was widely referenced. I did increasingly feel like I was talking into a vacuum, and I eventually lost interest in updating it, and later lost interest in the topic. Though instead of canceling it, I just folded it back in with my personal website elsewhere and discontinued the domain name.
If the owner of the site is still around, I'd suggest to him to put the files back up with some changes: add a small forum or blog type interface allowing comments so an upstream avenue of communication can be opened, and put up some Google Ads or a donation box (if there wasn't one already). Those are the things I would have done in hindsight. We all see a lot of websites every day and take them for granted, so if he doesn't get messages of thanks, there would at least be evidence that the site is being used and appreciated.
poLOT From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 4301 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 20 hours ago) and read 11236 times:
Quoting timz (Reply 17):
Hope the guy reads that comment-- he'll know he made the right move.
Nobody shuts down a site because they feel its not being appreciated (how he wants to be appreciated is not entirely clear). Not update it and slowly let it die? Sure. But to immediately (attempt, as it seems he only closed the main page) to close it down suggests that financial pressure may be playing a greater role...
warden145 From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 673 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 20 hours ago) and read 11227 times:
For those who are saving the content of the site, how much hard drive space is it taking up? I have some web space and would be willing to host it if there isn't anyone who's in a better position to do so, and assuming that I have enough space. I'd save the contents myself except that I'm short on time at the moment.
In any event, I can understand why he's doing it, but it's still a shame...that site is a great resource, and I hope that someone's able to restore the information to a new website...
timz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 7211 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 19 hours ago) and read 11092 times:
Quoting poLOT (Reply 18): Nobody shuts down a site because they feel its not being appreciated
With razor-sharp insight you noodled out the real reason he dumped it-- it costs money and time. Too much money and time for the appreciation he got; if users sneer at his hope for appreciation, $1 a year would be too much.
Quoting poLOT (Reply 18): (how he wants to be appreciated is not entirely clear)
It's clear enough. He probably did have unrealistic expectations, tho.
poLOT From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 4301 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (4 years 7 months 19 hours ago) and read 11013 times:
Quoting timz (Reply 22): It's clear enough. He probably did have unrealistic expectations, tho.
I don't think he ever made it clear how much he wanted to be appreciated though. While he asked for donations, there was never any warnings that he was on the verge of no longer being able to continue the site with revenue from the donations he did received and his own money, never really any calls to provide feedback. No forum/blog that people can post at. How was the average user suppose to know that he wanted people to write to him? If he was having major issues, why didn't he ask for help rather than trying to close it out of the blue?
You can't expect random people on the internet to provide appreciation out of the blue, you have to coax it out of them (like what he is doing now by shutting it down).
N62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5023 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (4 years 7 months 19 hours ago) and read 10839 times:
Quoting DCA-ROCguy (Reply 6): If the webmaster isn't getting enough support to keep it up, could Airliners.net adopt the site and keep it running as a section of our site, supported by this site's advertising and donations? Much as we have pages for aircraft information, etc.?
That's an interesting idea!
: Truly a loss of a great resource I hope some one else takes up the baton and preserves the site or make it even better.
: I would re-create the site for free and maintain it, no problem at all!!! So long as someone has all of the data it should just be time-consuming, not
: I've got quite a ways to go to finish saving the data. There are 56,000 hits related to the site and I have to sort through them, so this process cou