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User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5153 posts, RR: 21
Posted (3 years 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 11449 times:

Went to browse departedflights.com this morning and was saddened to find this message:

"From what I gather, few people have found this site of interest. I've heard very few responses or little if no feedback from anyone. So, I will, for now, discontinue this site. It is not worth my time or effort to keep up this site. For those of you who have written to me, I appreciate it. However, it is simply not worth the effort to continue on. I tried to create a site valuable to all, but it seems to be unappreciated. Again, thanks to those that actually took a few minutes to comment on it."

I know a lot of us resourced this great site often, and used it countless times to answer questions and settle "disputes". Hopefully the webmaster has a change of heart and restarts it. Maybe an A-net campaign and a few donations might change his mind?

Note: I am not the webmaster of the site, nor am I grubbing for money on the webmaster's behalf.

[Edited 2011-10-08 08:56:42 by srbmod]


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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3368 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (3 years 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 11426 times:

Wow, it was certainly one I used, to research my recent thread regarding the SEA-PDX tag route. Without departed flights I would have not been as succesful. Sad to see it go, I get the webmasters frustrations, It's hard to feel unappreciated when it takes the amount of time and energy to maintain it. I know it was mentioned tons of times, on many threads on A.net as a source of reliable information. Thanks for the work that was done, allowing many of us a great source of info, too little too late I guess.


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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5873 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (3 years 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 11424 times:

Oh no! I was just checking out that site this past Monday! Found it to be great!

 


User currently onlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1249 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 11185 times:

Used it quite a lot even in the last few days, i found it very useful. It is a pity he has decided to close it down. I should have printed off those OAG schedules off it when i had the chance.

User currently offlinepoLOT From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2257 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 11101 times:

Sad to see it go, as it was a great site to browse.

It would have been nicer to see the Webmaster admit that he just can't afford to run the site anymore, rather than blame the lack of "appreciation", but whatever.


User currently offlinetharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1865 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (3 years 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 11037 times:

I love(d) that website. I for one appreciated it.

User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4507 posts, RR: 34
Reply 6, posted (3 years 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 10872 times:

The shutdown of Departedflights.com is a great loss. As the OP noted, it has been a major resource for us at A.net. If the webmaster isn't getting enough support to keep it up, could Airliners.net adopt the site and keep it running as a section of our site, supported by this site's advertising and donations? Much as we have pages for aircraft information, etc.?

I had no idea that Departedflights.com wasn't getting enough support. I for one referenced it regularly.

Jim



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User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4300 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (3 years 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 10874 times:

I was just on the site and still found it there, but there is something up, I can't access the main page.


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User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4515 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (3 years 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 10831 times:

I used that site as a source for an aviation research paper. This is terrible news!

We really should do something about this as a community. This resource was too valuable to just let go away.  


EDIT:

Okay guys, I found a back door to accessing the pages of departedflights.com. I'm not sure how long this will work, but if you click this link:

http://tinyurl.com/5v6xdlb


You get all of Google's page results for the site, and all the links still work. So start saving the data! Maybe if we can get a good backup of all the information here, one of us with the resources to put up a site can create a new site to house the data. I have to leave my house for a while but if no one else begins to back up this data, I will do it myself and then figure out what to do with it later.

At the very least I could store all of this stuff on my computer for the time being and then try to figure out a new home for it at a later date.

[Edited 2011-10-08 07:55:49]

User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6596 posts, RR: 55
Reply 9, posted (3 years 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 10780 times:

That was a very good website! Hopefully he mibht change his mind after reading all the comments here.

The777Man



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User currently offlinedelta2ual From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 622 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (3 years 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 10727 times:

I just spent 2 hours on that site last Sunday. Darn! I hope he changes his mind. I guess I should have given a donation.


From the world's largest airline-to the world's largest airline. Delta2ual
User currently offlinesafetyDemo From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 10713 times:

I used this site often. When I was a little boy start-ups were all over the place, and I'd run to departedflights often as I randomly remembered a different name or airplane from my childhood to see what they were about.

Sad to see it go. I think it has a valuable place on the net for archiving aviation history.



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User currently offlineBatonOps From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 749 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (3 years 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 10628 times:

I checked this site almost daily. This is a tremendous loss to those of us that love aviation.

User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2208 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (3 years 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 10596 times:

This site was more than appreciated. It was frequented by a lot of people, there was just not a means or a forum to provide feedback. Was there even a comments area? It was sort of like how wikipedia works. BRING IT BACK!


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User currently offlinemrskyguy From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1214 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (3 years 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 10589 times:

Wow, what a loss.. but I have to say it because it appears that nobody else will. My first reaction upon reading the WM's explanation was one of disgust. This is the internet, and our hobby represents an extremely small slice of it. We're smart, serious, and extremely detailed in our knowledge and interest of civil aviation. But what we have in quality, we lack in numbers.

What did the WM expect? Those of us who did enjoy DepartedFlights showed our support by visiting and using the site. As wonderful of a resource as it was, its not Google.. even if everyone in our niche community used it, it wouldn't be that many people.

So my advice to anyone building a website for our hobby.. keep your expectations low. Even if it's as useful as an RZjets, DepartedFlights, etc. its still not likely to get a wild amount of hits, despite its usefulness and appreciated status.



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User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4515 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (3 years 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 10507 times:

Currently in the process of saving complete HTML copies of every page. this will take a few hours. some were down and I had to use a cached copy, but if there's anyone here who knows how to build a website and wants to begin the process of setting one up I can provide the source material. Let me know, otherwise I'll do it myself down the road.

User currently offlinerolypolyman From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 10443 times:

In addition to the Google cache, you can also get some of the fills here:
http://wayback.archive.org/web/*/http://www.departedflights.com

I can sympathize with the website owner, though... several years ago I ran a rather unique aviation website and almost never got any feedback, though I was aware the pages were viewed heavily and came to find out later the site was widely referenced. I did increasingly feel like I was talking into a vacuum, and I eventually lost interest in updating it, and later lost interest in the topic. Though instead of canceling it, I just folded it back in with my personal website elsewhere and discontinued the domain name.

If the owner of the site is still around, I'd suggest to him to put the files back up with some changes: add a small forum or blog type interface allowing comments so an upstream avenue of communication can be opened, and put up some Google Ads or a donation box (if there wasn't one already). Those are the things I would have done in hindsight. We all see a lot of websites every day and take them for granted, so if he doesn't get messages of thanks, there would at least be evidence that the site is being used and appreciated.


User currently onlinetimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6870 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (3 years 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 10301 times:

Quoting poLOT (Reply 4):
It would have been nicer to see the Webmaster admit that he just can't afford to run the site anymore, rather than blame the lack of "appreciation", but whatever.

Hope the guy reads that comment-- he'll know he made the right move.


User currently offlinepoLOT From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2257 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (3 years 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 10235 times:

Quoting timz (Reply 17):

Hope the guy reads that comment-- he'll know he made the right move.

Nobody shuts down a site because they feel its not being appreciated (how he wants to be appreciated is not entirely clear). Not update it and slowly let it die? Sure. But to immediately (attempt, as it seems he only closed the main page) to close it down suggests that financial pressure may be playing a greater role...


User currently offlinewarden145 From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 522 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 10226 times:

For those who are saving the content of the site, how much hard drive space is it taking up? I have some web space and would be willing to host it if there isn't anyone who's in a better position to do so, and assuming that I have enough space. I'd save the contents myself except that I'm short on time at the moment.

In any event, I can understand why he's doing it, but it's still a shame...that site is a great resource, and I hope that someone's able to restore the information to a new website...



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25741 posts, RR: 50
Reply 20, posted (3 years 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 10208 times:

As I recall the person behind departedflights.com was on A.net also as N702ML.

However its looks like the account was cancelled.
http://www.airliners.net/profile/n702ml

The site was indeed a neat little repository of historic information.



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User currently offlineDesertFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 515 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 10168 times:

Quoting Aloha717200 (Reply 15):
Currently in the process of saving complete HTML copies of every page. this will take a few hours.

While I don't have time to manage it, I can provide hosting for it free of charge.


User currently onlinetimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6870 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (3 years 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 10091 times:

Quoting poLOT (Reply 18):
Nobody shuts down a site because they feel its not being appreciated

With razor-sharp insight you noodled out the real reason he dumped it-- it costs money and time. Too much money and time for the appreciation he got; if users sneer at his hope for appreciation, $1 a year would be too much.

Quoting poLOT (Reply 18):
(how he wants to be appreciated is not entirely clear)

It's clear enough. He probably did have unrealistic expectations, tho.


User currently offlinepoLOT From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2257 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (3 years 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 10012 times:

Quoting timz (Reply 22):
It's clear enough. He probably did have unrealistic expectations, tho.

I don't think he ever made it clear how much he wanted to be appreciated though. While he asked for donations, there was never any warnings that he was on the verge of no longer being able to continue the site with revenue from the donations he did received and his own money, never really any calls to provide feedback. No forum/blog that people can post at. How was the average user suppose to know that he wanted people to write to him? If he was having major issues, why didn't he ask for help rather than trying to close it out of the blue?

You can't expect random people on the internet to provide appreciation out of the blue, you have to coax it out of them (like what he is doing now by shutting it down).


User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4520 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (3 years 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 9838 times:

Quoting DCA-ROCguy (Reply 6):
If the webmaster isn't getting enough support to keep it up, could Airliners.net adopt the site and keep it running as a section of our site, supported by this site's advertising and donations? Much as we have pages for aircraft information, etc.?

That's an interesting idea!


25 beeweel15 : Truly a loss of a great resource I hope some one else takes up the baton and preserves the site or make it even better.
26 Post contains images cleared2land : I would re-create the site for free and maintain it, no problem at all!!! So long as someone has all of the data it should just be time-consuming, not
27 Post contains images Aloha717200 : I've got quite a ways to go to finish saving the data. There are 56,000 hits related to the site and I have to sort through them, so this process cou
28 PI767 : deleted..... filler filler filler[Edited 2011-10-08 12:27:54]
29 Post contains images cleared2land : Well, if anyone has data from the site PM me for my email address. I would like to have a look at the content and see what it would take to get it bac
30 Post contains links rolypolyman : I guess you may already know about this, but the utility "wget" (info) is awesome for scraping websites and there's binaries for Windows too, not jus
31 OzarkD9S : Count me in for donations once it's up and running. It's something a lot of us may have taken for granted (myself included) so I will gladly give up
32 PI767 : It's back...... Check it out.
33 cleared2land : i've started grabbing the data just in case
34 Aloha717200 : I was up to 138 megs of saved data. I'm going to email the admin of the site to ask him what he's decided to do.
35 Aloha717200 : Email sent. We'll see what he has to say. If he needs help running the site or donations, are you guys interested in pitching in to help him keep it a
36 cleared2land : Absolutely. I would like to take this static HTML site and get it database driven!
37 Aloha717200 : That would be fantastic to see. I've let him know that some are interested in helping to run the site. No reply so far.
38 Aloha717200 : Hey, what do have saved so far? I've got the main page, hub pages, and working on the route maps right now.
39 cleared2land : nearly all of it! Im at about 90 percent
40 Aloha717200 : Sounds good! The admin just posted this on the main page: A message to the aviation fans of departedflights.com Last night, I made the decision to clo
41 N62NA : To the person in contact with the webmaster of departedflights.com: It may be that he can drastically reduce the amount of work it takes to input all
42 Post contains images cleared2land : As soon as I have all of the data I am going to see if there is commonality between all of the HTMl files. If so, I can write a script to grab the re
43 Aloha717200 : I've been in contact with the webmaster, here's a bit of what he had to say: And in regards to converting the site over to a database driven format: W
44 cleared2land : 14,877 items over 2.98 gigs. I have the whole site. We'll see where it goes from here.
45 N62NA : No, it would not be difficult at all. He wouldn't have to retype any information that he already has in the "old" format. It's very basic "computing
46 Post contains images cleared2land : Someone needs to tell the owner of the site these points: 1. Database driven site will be easier and sometimes cheaper to operate than a flat-file sit
47 Post contains images cleared2land : I agree. I have done several conversions like what we are talking about. Usually some fairly basic scripting and we could have spider the current sit
48 Post contains images Aloha717200 : Sadly, I have to head to work. Since he's online at the moment, how about you guys email him and just mention you're the guys from a.net that want to
49 cleared2land : Right on. All we can do is offer. In the least we can help him with the cost or workload. Thanks!
50 jlbmedia : Info already posted........deleated[Edited 2011-10-08 15:20:50][Edited 2011-10-08 15:27:35]
51 OzarkD9S : killer, got it back, just sent $20
52 BooDog : I sent $10.00. I suggest, for those of us who can, to donate a little money to show our appreciation for the site. I'm still sick over losing airlinet
53 LAXintl : For those that love the site, may I also suggest either you contribute any historical timetables you might have to the owner, or even better scan them
54 TN486 : Well done to all of you who have offered assistance, lets hope the webmaster takes up some of the offers so that we can continue to enjoy his work. He
55 OzarkD9S : yes indeed, that site should be a part of this
56 keagkid101 : Back up and running. He reconsidered his decision: " A message to the aviation fans of departedflights.com Last night, I made the decision to close th
57 ABQopsHP : I am going over some of my old flight schedules. I plan to scan a few of them for him to load onto the web site. If any of you out there have some als
58 Dazed767 : Dropped him $5, it's not a big amount by any means but hopefully that helps.
59 jc2354 : Perhaps a co hosting venture so everyone can maintain their identity and control.
60 aeroc : I was just looking at departedflights the other night.....I couldnt believe what I saw when I read this thread, that the site had been shut down and t
61 SkedGuy : Greg is a super nice guy and really passionate and knowledgeable about this industry. He just needed some encouragement from all of us. I'm just as gu
62 FlyboyOz : It would be a good idea to have a group of a.net volunteers to help him out or ask a.net to donate money to him. I would love to help them to recreate
63 jlbmedia : I gladly sent a 10 spot. I just hope next time he just says he needs more money to survive, instead of all this drama!!!! I as most, use the site, but
64 Aloha717200 : Back home from work. So, did anyone email Greg about the database idea? If so, let us know! I can just imagine how surprised he'll be to see the wave
65 KFlyer : Sorry, I didn't have time to read through the whole thread. But I would be more than happy to hold the data on my site airlineindustryreview.com ( unf
66 Post contains links laxboeingman : The site is back on; I just checked and there was a different message. http://departedflights.com/ I never knew about the site until now, and I looked
67 Post contains images DeltaMD90 : Surely there is some way he could get ads to help pay for the site? I hate ads on sites but it's better than not having a site at all
68 USXguy : its fairly easy to get ads up ... I have them on my blog and I think people have booked a few hotels on hotwire.com so far... I just think it would be
69 PI767 : delete delete delete delete[Edited 2011-10-10 19:14:22]
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