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The Nature Island- Caribbean Aviation Thread 91  
User currently offlineBW424 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2008, 1434 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 11 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 17213 times:

Greetings once again to one and all!

Welcome to the 91st instalment of the marathon Caribbean Aviation Thread. This instalment is dedicated to an island the majority of us know of, but not extensively. It's an island that is commonly misidentified or mis-associated with it's Latin Caribbean neighbours (Dominican Republic) by persons unfamiliar with the region. It's an island with rich culture and nature that has been literally untouched for centuries. This island is none other than DOMINICA.





Dominica, officially the Commonwealth of Dominica and influenced by the French and British respectively, is an island nation in the Lesser Antilles region of the Caribbean Sea, south-southeast of Guadeloupe and northwest of Martinique. The Commonwealth of Dominica has an estimated population of 72,500. The capital is Roseau.



The Capital Roseau

Dominica has been nicknamed the "Nature Isle of the Caribbean" for its unspoiled natural beauty. It is the youngest island in the Lesser Antilles, still being formed by geothermal-volcanic activity, as evidenced by the world's second-largest boiling lake. The island features lush mountainous rainforests, home of many rare plant, animal, and bird species. Dominica's economy is heavily dependent on both tourism and agriculture.


Trafalgar Falls


Boiling Lake

There are two small airports on the island. The primary airport, Melville Hall Airport (DOM), is on the northeast coast. The second is Canefield Airport (DCF), about 15 minutes from Roseau on the southwest coast. Melville Hall Airport is suitable for limited use of commercial jets because of runway length. Melville Hall currently has regular service by American Eagle,Winair, BVI Airways, Conviasa and LIAT using twin turboprop aircraft as well as Amerijet, which, using Boeing 727 Freighters, is the only airline with jet service to the republic. A runway extension and service upgrade project began at Melville Hall around 2006 and was finished in 2010.


MQ ATR-72-212A @ DOM.

Dominican cuisine is similar to that of other Caribbean countries. Common main courses comprise meat (usually chicken, but can be goat, lamb, or beef) covered in sauce. The sauces are either spicy pepper sauces, or concoctions made from local fruit. A huge variety of local fruit, from tamarind to passion fruit, is served on the island, usually in juice or sauce form.

******NEWS FEED******
BW has secured two LAN 767-300ERs for trunk routes and new longhaul (tentative)
DL 752 operating JFK-GEO makes emergency landing in SJU after unexpected depressurization. (Aug.)
LI comtemplating on whether to drop unprofitable routes or not.
Pax travelling to Guyana via CAL now connect from arrival gate to departure gate on same level of POS airport.
CM to MBJ with E190 starting Dec. 11
BW to get two ex Air Europa 738s (tentative)
RD to welcome third MD-82 soon.
AA downgrades DFW-BGI from B752 to B738. (Aug.22)
BW starts weekly MIA-POS-GEO cargo service
Hurricane Irene reeks havoc on BW's schedule
BW 2x weekly POS-KIN-MCO seeing high loads
BW drops JFK-ANU service. (Sept.)
RD experiences mechanical problems with MD-80s causing considerable delays (Sept.)
Winair sees improvement in ops after cutting routes and streamling ops
UP sees high US summer loads of 90% on average.
MHH in Bahamas to have brand new 51,000 sq ft terminal constructed and completed by 2012.
BW's VP of Corporate Communications, Laura Asbjornsen dismissed.
RD plans on launching separate Jamaican airline.


Fishing village in Dominica




It is what we think we know already that prevents us from learning.......
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User currently offlineBW424 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2008, 1434 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 11 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 17274 times:

Here is a pic of 9Y-GEO with new titles...."Spirit Of Guyana". We can recall that Nicholas did go to GEO and "designated" an aircraft to be called this.




It is what we think we know already that prevents us from learning.......
User currently offlinebeeweel15 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1756 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 11 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 17149 times:

Of the following Caribbean airports which two are best to set up a hub and why and can compliment each other the best in all aspects of passenger and cargo.

POS, TAB, BGI, ANU, KIN, MBJ, SJU, AUA, CUR, PAP, SDQ, POP, PUJ


User currently offlineGUYAIR707 From Guyana, joined Jan 2011, 708 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 17039 times:

Quoting BW424 (Reply 1):

Makes sense for them to just rename 9Y-GEO rather than have 2 a/c with a Guyana slogan. Seems like they are readying themselves for marketing JFK-GEO nonstop service.

I think the BW cargo MIA-GEO is represented by Piarco Air Services (PAS) here in Guyana.

GUYAIR707


User currently offlineturk223 From Barbados, joined Aug 2003, 399 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 16986 times:

Quoting BW424 (Reply 1):
Here is a pic of 9Y-GEO with new titles...."Spirit Of Guyana". We can recall that Nicholas did go to GEO and "designated" an aircraft to be called this.

I'm hoping this means we'll see "Spirit of Barbados" on 9Y-BGI, "Spirit of St. Lucia" on 9Y-SLU...


User currently offlineBW424 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2008, 1434 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 16985 times:

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 3):
Makes sense for them to just rename 9Y-GEO rather than have 2 a/c with a Guyana slogan. Seems like they are readying themselves for marketing JFK-GEO nonstop service.

9Y-GEO is the only aircraft and has been the only aircraft with a Guyana slogan. Before having the small "Trinidad & Tobago Land of the Hummingbird" decal under the windows, 9Y-GEO had the official slogan "Guyana Land of Many Waters". That was from 2007- early 2010.



It is what we think we know already that prevents us from learning.......
User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2632 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 16932 times:

From the previous thread:

Quote:
Reason for failure: every single one of them needed (and as of right now still do) a very very complicated (to get) visa which was a hold over from colonial days. Often times it necessitated a trip to the British High Commission.

It was easier to go to somewhere like Aruba....and yes....as we see S. American carriers have had success there.

I think this visa thing (which the GoJ seems to be working on) is probably part of the reason why CM has not increased KIN....connecting traffic to KIN at PTY is probably very limited....mostly o&d.

As far as I know neither Brazilians nor Argentinians need visas to visit Jamaica. Those are the 2 Latinamerican largest markets for potential new visitors to Jamaica.
IMHO, the Jamaica visa issue, even if Panamanians need visas to fly to Jamaica, it not the major reason why CM hasn't increased frequencies to KIN in the last few years. Most likely one of the reasons is that to operate KIN, no matter the frequency, CM needs B737 because of baggage/cargo and CM is a bit reluctant to use those to Jamaica when they're needed the most for their long-haul flights to EZE or GRU.
I think if CM knew a bit more about the Higglers travelling habits, CM may be able to change the aircraft type for the KIN route accordingly.
Other reason may be the Jamaican passengers lack of interest in flying via CM PTY hub because the few frequencies between PTY and the island.



I'm not on CM's payroll.
User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1394 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 16912 times:

Quoting turk223 (Reply 4):

They would have to strat flying to ST L first before the name a plane after that island.


User currently offlineturk223 From Barbados, joined Aug 2003, 399 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 16907 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 7):
They would have to strat flying to ST L first before the name a plane after that island.

true... just based on the registration-theory


User currently offlineLimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 789 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 16585 times:

Just to bring this thead to the main page again...

Flight of fancy

REDjet was not originally intended to be a carrier into the smaller islands of the Caribbean, says Minister of International Transport George Hutson.

“When we licensed REDjet and certainly when REDjet came in there was no talk about going into the islands.

http://www.nationnews.com/articles/view/flight-of-fancy/

Seems like a very interesting article, pity the whole of it is not online. What are the "islands" being referred to here? RD currently has plans for (or so they say) SXM, SKB, UVF and GND.



You are said to be a good pilot when your take-off's equal your landings.
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6184 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 16431 times:

I see press releases flying around about Jamaican Queen Airlines.

I wish them luck. Tough market.......being involved the airline business myself ... it is not easy and requires very very deep pockets.



When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offlinecaribbean484 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jan 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 16419 times:

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 9):



No surprise there as the Government of Barbados has a shareholding in LI also, so this will not go down well. Anyone who has a sight of history and realistic view will see that RD will be blocked or at least see significant obstacles serving routes in the Caribbean.
As someone mentioned in another forum we will have to see RD financial records to know how well they are doing as talk going around is that flights are leaving well below 50%, we all know its the slow season also.
From what is being said, RD is being denied a license to operate to SLU, ANU, SKB, SXM not sure about GND but I would not be surprised if it is also included.

The interesting take on RD is that they intend to have 4 MD82s by early next year, lets not forget that they cannot fly into the US since BGI is at CAT2, and they want to have a Jamaica base(yeah right).
One has to wonder what will their campaign be to get those routes.



All ah we is one family
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6184 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 16403 times:

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 11):
The interesting take on RD is that they intend to have 4 MD82s by early next year, lets not forget that they cannot fly into the US since BGI is at CAT2, and they want to have a Jamaica base(yeah right).

Redjet oughta go for broke and be the pioneer into S. America.

POS/KIN - LIM, BOG etc



When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offlineLimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 789 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 16375 times:

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 11):
The interesting take on RD is that they intend to have 4 MD82s by early next year, lets not forget that they cannot fly into the US since BGI is at CAT2, and they want to have a Jamaica base(yeah right).
One has to wonder what will their campaign be to get those routes.

I think opening a base in Jamaica, or totally moving the outfit to Jamaica is more likely than not. Barbados simply cannot offer what RD wants. The Barbados CAA is in shambles and not likely of getting CAT2 anytime soon.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 11):
No surprise there as the Government of Barbados has a shareholding in LI also, so this will not go down well. Anyone who has a sight of history and realistic view will see that RD will be blocked or at least see significant obstacles serving routes in the Caribbean.

Plan B. Move (back) to Jamaica.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 11):
From what is being said, RD is being denied a license to operate to SLU, ANU, SKB, SXM not sure about GND but I would not be surprised if it is also included.

ANU has given RD approval to fly between ANU and GEO. It's the flights to/from BGI the issue.



You are said to be a good pilot when your take-off's equal your landings.
User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2632 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 16368 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 12):
Redjet oughta go for broke and be the pioneer into S. America.

POS/KIN - LIM, BO

Those routes can't survive on O/D traffic only, and RedJet model seems to be P2P routes, no one-stop flights or connecting flights. However, RedJet partner Digicel is big in Panama and CM kind of neglects Jamaica and offers no flights to BGI yet.

On the other side, If BW wants to make a better use of its B737, instead of keeping them R.O.N. on Jamaica or Trinidad, BW could start studying flying next year KIN or POS - LIM and POS - GIG maybe FOR too. Major issue there is offering possible LIM and GIG flights North American and Caribbean/CCS comfortable connections.
An evening POS - KIN - PTY with early morning PTY - KIN - POS could come handy too.   



I'm not on CM's payroll.
User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1394 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 16288 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 14):
BW isnt likely to do routes to Latin Am other than to CCS. Travel too thin and too risky. Better to let the latin carriers come in if they wish. They have the brand support to build leisure travel from their homelands to the Caribbean.

I dont think BW has a problem with aircarft utilization now.

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 13):


There is definitely not room for three Jamaica based carriers. It will either be Jamaica Queen or Redjet. If Jamaica Queen succeeds CAL will be out of Jamaica....a blessing for them as Jamaicans dont want them so why force it.

My question will be whether Jamaica Queen has the cash to do all the things their temporary website claims that they can do.

[Edited 2011-10-12 14:35:00]

User currently offlineLimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 789 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 16263 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 15):
My question will be whether Jamaica Queen has the cash to do all the things their temporary website claims that they can do.

If you're referring to http://www.jamaicaqueenairlines.yolasite.com/ clearly, this is an ex Air Jamaica pilot who certainly has a chip on his shoulder (perhaps for not being hired by the new BW/JM). This outfit surely have an uphill battle to fight if they want to enter the market. I don't know how deep his pockets are, but brand new A320's and A321's? Also, listing every B737 incident/accident on this site is certainly a cheap shot and not a way to start off.



You are said to be a good pilot when your take-off's equal your landings.
User currently offlinecaribbean484 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jan 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 16263 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 15):
Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 16):



Just got a glimpse of the site, IMO its of very poor taste as he mentioned NK, AA, B6 all had accidents/crashes. Flying all new A320 and A321 are a huge capital expenditure as leases for brand new are like new are what US$300,000 plus he needs the cash backing for the weak periods.
This person to me sounds as if he has a grudge and really not competent to even run a parlour. Airlines are not run on emotion but on sound principle.



All ah we is one family
User currently offlinejmbweeboy From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 266 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 16231 times:

This Jamaican Queen thing sounds like somebodies "pipe dream" to me. Or should I say another phanton Caribbean airline like the re-incarnated Trans Caribbean Airways thats had a website for more years than I can remember but goes nowhere.

http://www.flytca.com/

JMBWEEBOY


User currently offlinetrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3238 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 15985 times:

Quoting jmbweeboy (Reply 18):
This Jamaican Queen thing sounds like somebodies "pipe dream" to me.

Very true indeed. Let's get a dose of reality now, at this time of sky-high fuel charges and global economic meltdown, anyone trying to start a major new airline - well I can see some losses.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 17):
Just got a glimpse of the site, IMO its of very poor taste as he mentioned NK, AA, B6 all had accidents/crashes.

I did not see that on the website but, if it were there before and then removed, it is still in very poor taste. We have been through this sort of thing about knocking on rivals' safety before, how can a non-entity airline really be taken seriously after saying stuff like that?

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 13):

ANU has given RD approval to fly between ANU and GEO. It's the flights to/from BGI the issue.

That's the point right there. ANU - GEO - I have never heard of any airline flying that route nonstop ever. Old BW did fly KIN - ANU - BGI - POS - GEO in the past under the same flight number (BW 415 Southbound / 414 Northbound) but of course the intermedicate stops helped maintain traffic flow throughout the journey. One wonders how much of a market is there for this route, especially as GEO's biggest regional markets are POS and BGI. If RD think they can make it work, then let them try.

ANU - BGI is a very different matter as that is one of LI's core routes and pivotal for its revenue, especially now that BW stopped serving the sector. With LI based in ANU and their fortunes tied very closely with those of the twin-island Nation, I can see why ANU is reluctant.

Trintocan.



Hop to it, fly for life!
User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1394 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 15944 times:

Quoting trintocan (Reply 19):

BWIA used to do a JFK ANU GEO route 5X during the late 1990s. I used it once and maybe 25 pax boarded at ANU for GEO. The Guyanese population in ANU is maybe 8,000. I dont see this supporting 300 seats/week on a year round basis.

RD cannot get ANU BGI as the Bdos govt wants to protect LIAT. We will soon find out that RD displays the usual arrogance that non caribbean people have had when it comes to Caribbean aviation. They have the wrong aircraft for intra E/Carib routes and now are running into a restriction on the number of routes which can support MD83 a/c. How will they utilize 5 planes?


User currently offlinecaribbean484 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jan 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 15890 times:

Quoting trintocan (Reply 19):
That's the point right there. ANU - GEO - I have never heard of any airline flying that route nonstop ever. Old BW did fly KIN - ANU - BGI - POS - GEO
Quoting guyanam (Reply 20):
BWIA used to do a JFK ANU GEO route 5X during the late 1990s. I used it once and maybe 25 pax boarded at ANU for GEO. The Guyanese population in ANU is maybe 8,000. I dont see this supporting 300 seats/week on a year round basis.



Yes BWIA used to do JFK-ANU-GEO in the past with the MD80 but the flight was cut in favour of GEO-BGI-JFK, then POS-GEO-JFK with the L1011 and JFK-BGI-GEO with the MD80. There is little demand for this route.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 20):
RD cannot get ANU BGI as the Bdos govt wants to protect LIAT. We will soon find out that RD displays the usual arrogance that non Caribbean people have had when it comes to Caribbean aviation. They have the wrong aircraft for intra E/Carib routes and now are running into a restriction on the number of routes which can support MD83 a/c. How will they utilize 5 planes?
Quoting trintocan (Reply 19):
ANU - BGI is a very different matter as that is one of LI's core routes and pivotal for its revenue, especially now that BW stopped serving the sector. With LI based in ANU and their fortunes tied very closely with those of the twin-island Nation, I can see why ANU is reluctant



Well this was eventually going to happen as was mentioned they have a large inefficient a/c running routes in the sub 300nm range. WIth 5 of them I am not sure how they can have a/c sitting all day round.
Lets be honest here, in the Caribbean unless there is a large increase in PPP amongs the regional countries, I am not sure how RD will get the critical mass needed to sustain their services in the long run. West Indians are not tourist in the true sense of the word and there is still too much arrogance and nostalgia amongs the islans for free travel, open skies and mass travel.



All ah we is one family
User currently offlinebaje427 From Barbados, joined Jul 2011, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 15822 times:

RD had the odds stacked against them MD83 are cheap to acquire but they are not suited for island hopping. LI protection can only last for so long given the current economic situation governments will be forced to reevaluate this stance. Anyone know why Gol has not attempted POS I would of thought this route would make more sense than BGI.

User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9852 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 15824 times:

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 16):
If you're referring to http://www.jamaicaqueenairlines.yolasite.com/ clearly, this is an ex Air Jamaica pilot who certainly has a chip on his shoulder (perhaps for not being hired by the new BW/JM). This outfit surely have an uphill battle to fight if they want to enter the market. I don't know how deep his pockets are, but brand new A320's and A321's? Also, listing every B737 incident/accident on this site is certainly a cheap shot and not a way to start off.
Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 17):
Just got a glimpse of the site, IMO its of very poor taste as he mentioned NK, AA, B6 all had accidents/crashes.
Quoting trintocan (Reply 19):
I did not see that on the website but, if it were there before and then removed, it is still in very poor taste.

I agree with all of you. We discussed this in the Jamaican thread as well and apparently because of our discussion there, that section has been removed.

A388


User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2632 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 15783 times:

Quoting baje427 (Reply 22):
Anyone know why Gol has not attempted POS I would of thought this route would make more sense than BGI.

I can't only guess that G3 is looking for leisure destination and POS isn't.
However, since it looks like BW's South American expansion (except maybe PZO and MAR Venezuela) is sort of a dream of some - including myself - these days, best thing to do now for the Trini authorities (plus a couple of oil/gas/chemical companies) is to get together and try to woo G3 to fly GRU-GIG-POS someday soon.

BTW, I can't visualize tourists flocking to TAB on non-stop flights from Brazil like they do to CUR or SXM in the near future.



I'm not on CM's payroll.
25 A388 : Yes, I also think this way. G3 looks at leisure destinations and Trinidad isn't known for tourism even though Trinidad does have a lot to offer in my
26 guyanam : The JFK ANU GEO route ran in 1994. Was dropped when Acker took over and he made GEO bound passengers have to change planes in POS. When Guyanese fled
27 turk223 : In my days with Bee Wee at BGI (1986-1993), we had no direct flight to GEO. All passengers connected through POS. LI and GY had non-stops BGI-GEO back
28 trintocan : I remember that TriStar service on GEO - POS - JFK well, I flew on the GEO - POS sector once in 2000 on the mighty jet. Those were the days indeed...
29 andrefranca : I tend to travel a lot to the Caribbean, I love this part of the planet.... but gotta say the airline industry in the Caribbean reflects the governmen
30 caribbean484 : I wish I had an old route map but I can vaguely remember that they ran JFK-BGI-GEO when Aleong came in on certain days, than the L1011 on others. I c
31 2travel2know2 : As a Panamanian I'm defensibly bias towards CM, so BW/JM/7I handling all its non-Venezuela/Guyana/Suriname South American traffic to CM does make me
32 GUYAIR707 : I know in the early '00 there was a BW 738 GEO-BGI, but that flight might have continued to YYZ and it was in the afternoon, I think it was 600 serie
33 guyanam : Yes they had a YYZ BGI GEO POS route for a short while. Maybe thats what Carib 484 is getting confused about. With AA expanding its routes into north
34 2travel2know2 : As long as the Brazilian Real is strong vs USD, stay away from any shopping in Brazil. Great market for outbound traffic, awful for Higglers-style tr
35 andrefranca : Yeah but you should take in count that: MAO is a tax free zone city as Panama itself, so people here earn more than average BEL or FOR citizens, besi
36 wadadli : It is being said that CAL dropped JFK route because they felt a slap in the face with the government seeking AA/B6 - which turned out to be AA. It ma
37 wadadli : This figure is understated and it is closer to twice that amount....either way, not sure about the viability of this route. However, I wont underesti
38 Post contains images LimaFoxTango : Today, October 16 marks LIAT's 55th year of operation . 55 years of flying high! Go LIAT!!! Agreed
39 guyanam : Why would some one have used BWIA, in unkown airline in Brazil, to connect thru POS, an unknown intransit point, when several nonstops were/are avail
40 luckyone : I typically ignore this thread, but since I used to live in Dominica, I will chime in on this one! Just to add some insight. The ride to airport can
41 2travel2know2 : Panamanian football team just experienced that from and to the airport 2 weekends ago when flying to the island for a CONCACAF Brazil FIFA Football W
42 luckyone : Not surprised at all. Almost every time I did the drive to/from the airport we had to stop for somebody to toss their cookies. The smart thing to do
43 guyanam : I wonder what your impression of Dominica would have been if you had been there 30 years ago. The road was even narrower and had way more pot holes.
44 Post contains images andrefranca : I've visited dominica february this year and they were widening the roads... but the island is still lost in time!
45 baje427 : Its mid October are CAL ATR-600's still on schedule?
46 LIA310 : 9Y-TTA should be arriving on October 31.
47 Post contains links BWIA 772 : Guess who is on here way to BGI, the Boeing 787 http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE6 So wish I was there to get some pics of that nice plane. Regar
48 baje427 : I hope I can get off work in time to see the 787 anyone know why its coming to BGI
49 BWIA 772 : For humidity testing, initially these tests had been scheduled to be conducted in Guam but due to logistic issues I think they changed them to BGI. R
50 windian425 : BGI/TBPB was chosen for the following reasons: 1. Climatic conditions for hot and humid ETOPS testing. 2. Excellent Airport/Airfield facilities 3. Exc
51 AA1818 : Wow! That's awesome. What's the occasion? AA1818
52 Post contains links and images BWIA 772 : That's great news hopefully the 737 MAX heads to BGI for testing when that program gets off the ground. Also an interesting article in this week's ed
53 Post contains images windian425 : Boeing 787-800 ZA006 landed at GAIA tonight.
54 baje427 : I managed to get a glimpse of it on approach the lights on the 787 are a bit different from what I've seen before I missed the Q400 which came to demo
55 Post contains links BW424 : Great stuff!! It's great to see such a revolutionary new aircraft in the Eastern Caribbean doing its testing. BGI's aviation fratenity at the moment
56 AA1818 : I thought "B" wasn't due until December 2011. Excellent news for CAL. Glad to see the route being a success for them. How often do they fly? Twice pe
57 Post contains images BWIA 772 : The following photos are from a friend of mine Javon Griffith A number of spotters came out to see the aircraft. This is infront Barbados Light Airpl
58 guyanam : I very much doubt CAL dropped ANu because they felt insulted. They dropped it because, with AA entering the market, it would have been over served. A
59 LimaFoxTango : Why would CAL drop the route 3 months before their competition started? Don't make sense really, now does it.
60 wadadli : [Edited 2011-10-18 14:40:04]
61 wadadli : I guess from the perspective that the government entered into an arrangement with CAL to fill a "void" in non-stop service from the NY area...CAL com
62 guyanam : BW dropped ANu JFK now because Sept and Oct are slow months. Why run empty planes if there is no long term commitment to the route? The ANU govt knows
63 Post contains links 2travel2know2 : The Caribbean at mercy of airlines From www.caribbean360.com / In English Jamaica’s Tourism Minister, Edmund Bartlett sent this message at The Unite
64 A388 : I would narrow that down to FBO support. Interesting article but I really don't know what can be done to decrease the power that foreign carriers hav
65 Post contains links caribbean484 : Nice to see the 787 in BGI for testing and soon the 748 CAL got the World Travel Awards Caribbean's Leading Airline. http://www.worldtravelawards.com
66 A388 : I'm not aware of the Next Generation ATR's having the option for full freighter. I am sure this must be the older generation ATR's(?) In any case, I
67 BW424 : It's not a full freighter version. It's just a normall ATR with windows that can be easily converted to a freighter with the removal of its seats.
68 A388 : Even this I'm not so sure about. I haven't heard of the Next Generation ATR being certified for quick change conversion from passenger to cargo and v
69 baje427 : Any idea if the ATR will run on POS TAB initially or will they fly to BGI CCS from the get go. I seen on flight aware the 787 is leaving BGI and flyin
70 Post contains links BW424 : "Mechanical checks ground REDjet" "REDjet flights out of Piarco International Airport were cancelled yesterday as the aircraft was grounded to facilit
71 Post contains links baje427 : The 747-800 is on its way to BGI http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE440
72 trintocan : Well well, BGI is seeing all the action these days! First the 787, then the 747-8 (not 747-800)! It would be cool to be spotting there right now. All
73 Post contains links windian425 : B747-8 commences flight testing today. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE440
74 Post contains links and images A388 : A united front will not change much (if not anything) with regards to U.S. citizens choosing their own airline. The example of Air Mauritius (or Air
75 2travel2know2 : Compared to MK BW has a huge VFR and business traffic component that MK hasn't in that size. POS/GEO are no MRU/SEZ.
76 A388 : On what is this based? Also, the VFR market isn't the only market an airline serves. Their tourist market share is probably far bigger than BW that n
77 2travel2know2 : Compare number of hotel rooms on MRU or SEZ with that on POS or GEO. The main reason MK needs that number of aircraft (of that size) is the range (th
78 Post contains links taloush : CAL flies their 738 to JFK twice a week, on Saturdays and Wednesdays. DL flies to JFK every Saturday, also using a 738. There's quite a bit of demand
79 A388 : I am sure MK uses the aircraft they use because they need them for more than just the range alone. A388
80 Post contains links caribbean484 : We talked about this a long time. there is a significant difference between the two airlines. MK depends on long-haul travel to get tourist to their
81 A388 : You are right. Besides the U.K. and France MK also flies to Hong Kong, Singapore, Mumbai, Bangalore, Chennai, Shanghai, Melbourne, Perth, and Sydney
82 guyanam : The only VFR BW has are Trinis and reluctant Guyanese who have no choice (see the fiasco involving Guyanese around Labor Day). The others are not loy
83 westindian425 : Been a little quiet I see!! Tell me...what do you guys think about retro paint schemes for Caribbean Airlines and Air Jamaica?! (and the likelihood th
84 A388 : The idea to me sounds great as I like retro liveries, BUT.... regarding Caribbean Airlines I don't know if it is a wise move to have a BWIA livery as
85 andrefranca : I still can't get why Jamaicans are still so angry because JM is no longer Jamaican, sorry but if your own gov can't reach profit of course they will
86 BW424 : This topic is usually avoided in the same way as we avoid religion and race talk. A lot of Jamaicans are angry at BW (and T&T by extension), beca
87 andrefranca : thanks for your insight, but now it's the trend, i used to work for JJ, and then LA came and is taking over, changing the values etc... I bet Brazili
88 A388 : I totally understand you BW424, I have also never seen such people and I hope it will change for the better so we all can benefit and learn from it. A
89 guyanam : CAL took over, insulted the Jamaican traveling public with delays, abysmal ground service and with ground crews behaving in a vulgar and very abusive
90 A388 : I have said this before already, you can't fire someone over a delayed flight as this is "force majeure". Legally wise it is just not defendable from
91 guyanam : You can sit down in Curacao and claim this. The USA is a different society. Especially when one is referring to people who are not part of the profes
92 A388 : If this really is so which it is not, than those people who got "fired" should have known this. So in the end, it is not the employer's fault, it's t
93 BWIA 772 : As you can see from the view points that have been expressed, the issue here is a deep seated unwillingness to compromise for all parties involved. A
94 A388 : Yes, it's very sad but true. A388
95 guyanam : Can I ask you a question? You live in Curacao. So you are you telling me, who lives in the USA, that I am a liar when I tell you that several Caribbe
96 guyanam : There is already a single CARICOM international airline, CAL. CAL will not take over LIAT unless they become insane. If that airline treats its custo
97 JM017 : I would agree with this, with the exception of the statement that folks believe GOTT had a hand in JM's demise. I am not sure if folks really believe
98 Post contains links GUYAIR707 : It's exasperating that we have to do this again so let me save you the time, since you would not take my word for it. Incidently, for force majeure t
99 trintocan : Unfortunately this is true. Also very true. If you want an example, just look at the Dominican Republic. For a nation as large as it (some 9 million
100 A388 : Guyanam, there's no point in discussing this topic with you so I will stop this discussion. Let's just keep it to what think is true and what I think
101 par13del : The GOJ should have entertained a bid from them and let them have it, if they ran it into the ground so be it, since the GOJ was no longer going to p
102 JM017 : Oh, i know that. When I mention the gun to the head, I was speaking in a general sense. All good points. Thanks.
103 LimaFoxTango : What makes CAL "a single CARICOM international airline"?
104 BW424 : One thing that must be noted. One must look at the source of all problems. You're talking about the GORTT rectifying problems when they are the ones
105 aa1818 : I think you are getting a little ahead of yourself. Jamaicans welcoming St. Lucia registered/ Barbados based/ (Irish controlled- with many local sile
106 LimaFoxTango : Co-operate does not mean takeover. The Chairman of the LIAT board emphatically denied such would happen on a recent radio interview.
107 GUYAIR707 : Not sure that Trinidad govt. is at a place where they are willing to take over LIAT right now. GUYAIR707
108 aa1818 : Correct. Rather than LI and CAL kill each other competing on regional routes. Let Liat Feed CAL and CAL flow pax to Liat. Beneficial to both! AA1818
109 beeweel15 : Extra is coming. B6 has finalized an order for 30 A321 shark let-equipped and 40 A320NEO aircraft.
110 A388 : That is good news but not surprising as it was known since June that this would happen when they announed an order conversion to the A321 and A320NEO
111 Post contains links LimaFoxTango : CAL fined US$60,000 for short-changing passengers The United States Department of Transportation (DOT) yesterday fined State carrier Caribbean Airline
112 GUYAIR707 : That is bad for their customers and their image. They are in the company of South African Airways and LAN Airlines who were fined for "violating pric
113 andrefranca : wow I didn't know things would "burn" here, lol! but it's always a hard topic, any country has the right to have its own metal! I will miss old JM, bu
114 baje427 : Its sad to hear about the decline in service levels at CAL seems with JFK having an early winter I hope they are able to manage these diversions/delay
115 Post contains links A388 : All these airlines are operating and working on expansion plans. A friend of mine emailed me below article today about DAE: http://www.amigoe.com/eng
116 Post contains links aa1818 : TT to establish direct flights from India, South Africa Trinidad Newsday - 31 October 2011. Click here for link. While I doubt anything will come o
117 aa1818 : Sooooooooooo....who is gonna snap the first shot of CAL's brand new ATR as it approaches Piarco today?!?!?! Do we know what time it is expected? I ass
118 yellowtail : I am hearing rumblings from multiple credible sources of a big name poised to expand into the LatAm/Caribbean market full force in 2012. Should be an
119 A388 : If you have a flight number for the delivery flight, that would be helpful because to my knowledge the aircraft may even have not done its first test
120 guyanam : Hopefully GUYAIR answered your questions about the fact that a US based Caribbean person returning late from vacation can be fired. Hence the agitati
121 A388 : I'll play along, you are right. I totally agree with you, now let's move along as I have stated before. A388
122 aa1818 : Sorry- no flight number. How long is the delay you have heard? Is it solely due to the Manufacturer? I hope BW gets penalties if this is true! AA1818
123 A388 : I asked someone who follows delivery flights and no clear delivery date was known up to last week when I asked that person. The only thing that was k
124 Post contains images westindian425 : If they want more heavies to come to POS, they had better fix immigration and customs processing! It would suck taking 10+ hours to fly and another 2
125 caribbean484 : A388 is correct that 9Y-TTA is delayed for a few days, in the mean time 9Y-MBJ will be here by weeks end from Air Europa the second one should arrive
126 A388 : If I have to be honest, I see this delay becoing a few weeks and not a few days as the aircraft would have definately been photographed by spotters b
127 aa1818 : As a big complainer of all things Piarco Airport- I must admit that in the past 12 months, Immigration has improved drastically. Lines moving at a de
128 andrefranca : Rumors between MAO aviators, T4 (Trip airlines) to start caribbean routes from 2012... until now, AUA or CUR are the more likely and G3 to return its
129 Post contains images A388 : I hope this is true. The more, the merrier A388
130 aa1818 : Would love to get a link to POS someday. Here's hoping that it would be TAM though! AA1818
131 A388 : Right now G3 (and apparantly Trip as well) is the only Brazilian airline interested in the Caribbean. Seeing that the Brazilian flights to the Caribb
132 andrefranca : I agree with A388, TAM never saw the caribbean as a real option, they did have some charter flights on the past but these were discountinued.... G3 o
133 airjamaica : What period did JJ operate charters to the Caribbean and what destinations did they serve ?
134 andrefranca : Between 2006 - 2008, PUJ, AUA, SXM and CUR seems these are the most popular routes betweens brazilians, and PMV was once a very popular route for bra
135 airjamaica : Interesting. Wasn't aware JJ operated charters to those destinations during that period.
136 Post contains links BW424 : "CAL’s first ATR delayed in France as it’s still under trials" "By Vernon Khelawan Thursday, November 3 2011 "Delivery of Caribbean Airlines’ fi
137 Post contains images caribbean484 : This is for A388 the ATR for CAL in testing Supposedly it is said he is very good at what he does, so once he is given full room he will do well at CA
138 baje427 : This livery does not seem right for the ATR for some reason
139 GUYAIR707 : Sweet looking a/c. Looks good, I hope, as the end of the article quoted an ex BW person saying the hope was the new CEO would be given the chance to
140 LIA310 : Wonderful! The hummingbird on the tail looks like it's too small and low.
141 flyby519 : Who will replace Fabregas as CEO of Executive?
142 Post contains images BWIA 772 : The reason why the livery looks off is because on the ATR the livery does not occupy the same percentage of space that the BW livery usually does on
143 BW424 : Nice!! I think that is what all of us are worried about, espcially me. First of all, I'm surprised that they have been able to attract a CEO with a d
144 aa1818 : I think even more than that- the Hummingbird needs to be increased in size on the tail. Cheers, AA1818
145 GUYAIR707 : The Caribbean Flavor livery should have been used, and something similar on the Air Jamaica a/c. GUYAIR707
146 Post contains images BWIA 772 : Hopefully someone in BW marketing is saying "I told you so" as the flaws were in the renditions as well. Forgot to add that Caribbean Flavor was a br
147 caribbean484 : No clue, that would be a good question though. If true it will be better as he is right near his home unlike the first two. Given what is said of him
148 flyby519 : He has certainly fought to keep Executive relevant in the Caribbean. Without him I am sure those ATRs would be gone completely from SJU.
149 A388 : Sorry guys, I was ill for a few days so I couldn't reply to the ATR photos. Thanks for posting the photo Caribbean484. I agree with the other members
150 airfrancejfk : A little trip down memory lane here. Many years ago, Cubana used to operate an island hopper flight from Georgetown to Port of Spain, Barbados, Kingst
151 baje427 : I am not sure what year your referring to but CU operated the Ilyushin II-62 to BGI in the early 90's
152 trintocan : They used several types on the route including the TU-154, Il-62 and as mentioned, the DC-8 that met tragedy off BGI in 1976. I last recall seeing th
153 turk223 : When I worked with BW at BGI in the 80s, we used to handle the CU flight and it was often operated by an IL-18... believe it or not!
154 baje427 : Quick question has AA ever operated the B727 or MD83 to BGI I recall when I was younger seeing a T tail on final in the AA livery but i could have be
155 Post contains links GUYAIR707 : New airline claiming they will be serving as a "public charter" to GEO, POS, MIA or FLL, MCO, JFK. EZ Jet, . Website: http://www.ezjetgt.com/index.php
156 windian425 : AA operated the B727-200 to JFK. If I remember correctly the 727 was used on Sundays.. AA585/AA584. AA MD83 never operated to BGI.
157 turk223 : Definitely... the SJU-BGI service that started in December, 1987 was a 727; flight number 1353 SJU-BGI and 1030 BGI-SJU at the start. The second dail
158 baje427 : Thanks for the info when did AA start using the 752 and 767's into BGI its funny how times changed the SJU flight went from a 727 to A300 to ATR72 to
159 airfrancejfk : On the same topic, are there any charters between YYZ and GEO at the moment? I know Skyservice was on the route for quite sometime however I recall h
160 baje427 : Question for you guys in POS someone I know flew on RD to POS this Friday and they said they deplaned via stairs is this because it cost more to use t
161 Post contains images caribbean484 : This is 9Y-MBJ I remember as a child flying on the L1011 seeing the AA 722 in BGI over-nighting Yep cost is the reason.
162 turk223 : The 757s and 767s were after my time... I left AA in 1990 and went to BW (left them in 1993 and emigrated to the States), so maybe it was in the mid-
163 windian425 : AE restart SJU-BGI-SJU service on 18th November, 2011. 2X weekly.
164 GUYAIR707 : Not that I know of, but I am not too familiar with that route. I think Skyservice went bankrupt early last year. During the peak seasons there may be
165 Post contains links and images caribbean484 : 9Y-TTB Virgin Atlantic Commits to Caribbean despite High APD http://www.caribbeanavenue.com/aviation/viewtopic.php?f=155&t=10515 "Virgin Atlantic
166 Post contains images A388 : Nice ATR72 photo and I hope they will enlarge the hummingbird tail logo a bit more. Also nice to read about the commisioning of the expansion plans fo
167 baje427 : You can see from the new pics of the ATR the Caribbean airlines have been modified to match the others on the 737 AND Q300 and given the tail is cover
168 A388 : baje427, can you provide us the links to those pictures featuring the modified tail logo on the Caribbean Airlines ATR's? A388
169 A388 : I just found a photo on the pictaero website of 9Y-TTA but nothing has been modified or changed on the tail logo. The photo was taken yesterday... A38
170 Post contains links LimaFoxTango : Trinidad and Tobago’s national flag carrier will start replacing its ageing fleet of Bombardier Q-300s and adding frequencies, routes and passenger
171 baje427 : In the above post of 9y-TTB the font looks different to me
172 GUYAIR707 : I wish they could afford seat back IFE's on the 738's. GUYAIR707
173 Post contains links LimaFoxTango : http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BWA7901 9Y-MBJ enroute to POS. Lots happening with CAL this week.
174 A388 : I see, this is your opinion and not a fact. Comparing the fonts applied on TTA and TTB shows me it is exactly the same. I still stand by TTA and TTB
175 wadadli : Yes you are correct.....late evening arrival early morning depature....same for UVF as well now.
176 A388 : Just to be clear, that is not my post but thanks for the answer. A388
177 baje427 : Is there any particular reason for this?
178 GUYAIR707 : 9Y-MBJ - Seems a/c is all white, and it left AMS late and arriving POS today by all appearances. Based on the databases this a/c is just 4.6 years old
179 Post contains links baje427 : Hi guys i posted a trip report BGI-MIA-BGI here is the link Summer Getaway To Miami From Barbados (by baje427 Nov 10 2011 in Trip Reports)
180 GUYAIR707 : Ahhh Miami, I love it. GUYAIR707
181 time2lyme : Do all CAL and JM aircraft have the same interior, or are they a mish-mash of styles?
182 GUYAIR707 : When BW got their 738's in the late 90's early 00's they all were the same interior. All those original a/c, as far as I know maintain the same inter
183 Post contains links and images caribbean484 : The different leases have different a/c seats but the same config 9Y-JMF looks like this 9Y-JME 9Y-SXM 9Y-POS, GEO, ANU, TAB, KIN, BGI First Class 9Y
184 GUYAIR707 : Nicely done. GUYAIR707
185 Post contains links baje427 : Perhaps CAL will upgrade all to the standard of of 9y-JME the first looks dated by being in that colour. Arfe they any pics of the the ATR or Q300 cab
186 A388 : From a customer point of view that is very bad. I think Caribbean Airlines has gone a few steps backwards with their recent aircraft leasing arrangem
187 Post contains links and images caribbean484 : Oh I forgot Ill-fated 9Y-PBM 9Y-MBJ should look like this The aircrafts that have the Recaro Seats JME, JMF and MBJ will have the Recaro seats in busi
188 Post contains links GUYAIR707 : I read somewhere they are based on this: http://www.atraircraft.com/media/dow...loads/armonia_cabin_2011_light.pdf GUYAIR707
189 baje427 : Quick question how is fleet planning being done at CAL they had brand new 737 from Boeing recently delivered now 9Y-MBJ and with all these different c
190 Post contains links and images beeweel15 : Unfortunately some of these plane came from different carriers which had their own seat types already installed on the aircraft. Example the old BW l
191 A388 : As much as I agree with you, it clearly is very bad marketing wise to have aircraft with different cabin interiors as you don't have an inflight prod
192 Post contains links beeweel15 : I beg to differ Turkish Airlines is a member of the Star Alliance. They operate several aircraft with different set ups and configurations most notab
193 A388 : I know that, but that is just temporary. Looking at their fleet size, it is acceptable as we are talking about only a few frames. By the way, TK has
194 Post contains links aa1818 : Really? All planes either have Air Jamaica or Caribbean Airlines on the outside. Their entire fleet is 737-800s. All have the same cabin interior. Th
195 time2lyme : Thanks caribbean484. I agree with a388 It's very bad from a customer point of view. Time was when BWIA had the same colour theme throughout their a/c
196 A388 : And that is bad for passenger experience. No matter how you look at it, it's inconsistent and bad marketing wise. A388
197 guyanam : People dont care color of seat. What they care about are rude check in agents...long a problem as CAL doesnt control their subcontractors. There are
198 A388 : I understand what you say but still it is bad to have several cabin types within your fleet. No alliance will accept this as there is a lack of consi
199 Post contains links and images caribbean484 : I doubt that would be a problem in an alliance, airlines have different a/c seats and config all the time and still Join Alliances. What matters is N
200 A388 : Imagine BA having various types of seats throughout their fleet, do you really think that is okay or that customers don't care? Do you really think t
201 caribbean484 : Sorry A388 but it seems your not understanding, and this is the first time. Those seats are all included in the same leasing contracts CAL has, as th
202 guyanam : In any case I dont think that an alliance is likely in the near term. Foreign carriers have much better coverage of the Caribbean than CAL does, even
203 Post contains images yellowtail : Rule one for Airplane photographers to stay well: Do not inhale JetA fumes. Rule two: if you inhale jet fumes make sure the photo is good enough to m
204 A388 : Standardisation is important to minimize costs. Having several types of seats isn't going to minimize your cost. I keep saying this, is gives a bad c
205 Post contains links and images caribbean484 : I got this at CAL's fan FB page During the speech on arrival the Chairman said CAL made TT200m profit for 2011 and JM is expected to produce a US$5-7m
206 Post contains images A388 : Great pictures Caribbean484, thanks for sharing it with us!!! Now put that bird on a Curacao route A388
207 caribbean484 : Have to thank the spotters in POS lol those guys on the ball!!! But with the airline looking to exercise options and saying they want more routes in
208 baje427 : Nice to see the ATR's come but it will be sad to see the Q300's go hopefully LI will get the Q400 wishful thinking I know. I hope CAL is not going to
209 aa1818 : Thanks for the awesome pics! I'm very skeptical. I want to see the 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010 and soon 2011 audited Financial Reports. That is great news
210 caribbean484 : You and me both, I wish they would post them on their websites but they already laid out the 2007 and 2008 statements. I have to agree with that list
211 GUYAIR707 : I know LI was instrumental on the specs for the new runway at OGL, so if they don't want to compete then CAL needs to stay out of OGL, although LI do
212 baje427 : Were any of BW North American routes out of BGI profitable I assume not since CAL suspended all.Will CALbe bringing on NA 767 for the Christmas peak.
213 BWIA 772 : IIRC, it was claimed that BGI was a shrinking market and GEO was growing hence the cut from BGI. I for one don't see BW coming back on BGI North Amer
214 2travel2know2 : My guess would be 7I Insel.
215 yellowtail : Faced with a 2 hour ride in an ATR or a 6 hour ($1400) jaunt via the MIA hellhole. from BZE...give me the ATR
216 baje427 : I am not sure but airlift is pretty covered into BGI out of Canada there is WS and AC out of the USA here is AA from JFK,MIA,DFW JB-JFK US-CLT out of
217 beeweel15 : Hope they order both if they need some money let me know. And dont worry A388 even if they have different seats I will make it work and all pax will
218 2travel2know2 : Would BOS (B6) and/or ORD (UA) flights work for BGI? UA is (or it used to be) keen to fly to leisure destinations seasonally, who knows BGI fits into
219 BWIA 772 : With BOS and ORD it would be dependent on the type guarantees that the government of Barbados would be willing to provide for those routes. While tho
220 GUYAIR707 : Very nice pics, good week for CAL. GUYAIR707
221 Post contains images A388 : Hahaha, you are right guys. Seeing is believing but I'm still a believer even though nothing happened so far. The POS-CUR route is already served by
222 Post contains links and images caribbean484 : CAL ATR Its said that CAL will launch LGW in June next year in time for the Olympics with 2 LAN 763 which will be in POS in May next year. They will a
223 A388 : See, again no CUR. I guess the market is already sufficiently served with LI and PY. Caribbean Airlines should have been here much earlier. A388
224 Post contains images aa1818 : When the Four Seasons Hotel opens in the next 3 or 4 years (yes that project is happenning), it is expected that the GoB will seek more air lift out
225 guyanam : ANU has no US brands as far as I know. SLU doesnt have either. Yet both are popular with the US leisure market. In fact when we consider that many of
226 baje427 : Well BGI has not been able to keep much of the US traffic other than traditional routes also the economy is not the best at the moment.If CAL is resta
227 LimaFoxTango : Yes, they are visible in the photo caribbean484 posted.
228 Post contains links BWIA 772 : It will be interesting to see how the Four Seasons Project moves forward given that the proposal submitted for funding by the NIS was rejected. I do h
229 baje427 : Which route do you think they could get UA on? out of ORD they could get AA I did not even notice with all that white lol
230 Post contains links aa1818 : http://www.guardian.co.tt/business/2...ge-nicholas-cal-earned-200m-profit With this technologically advanced aircraft, Nicholas said CAL would embark
231 caribbean484 : I would like to do a winter schedule for the Eastern Caribbean in the new forum But CAL will start POS-GND-YYZ-GND-POS in December, I was told an agre
232 beeweel15 : Why is it laughable. It is possible with the 787 or 747-8. Dont think they was in BGI for nothing.
233 Post contains images 2travel2know2 : So the idea of a POS hub is alive? How many times on this same thread, the idea of BW flying to Brazil (MAO, RIO, SAO or FOR) has been considered by
234 A388 : Laughable? Yes and you know why. A388
235 guyanam : None of those routes are viable, including the Brazilian ones. Faced with a choice of a Brazilian or US carrier vs an unknown Trinidadian airline few
236 2travel2know2 : Call me an stubborn optimist but I'd love to see a profitable - at least thrice weekly - POS-GIG (or POS-GRU) one day, with passengers made up of wha
237 GUYAIR707 : Probably couldn't fill that a/c anyway, even if it did. GUYAIR707
238 BWIA 772 : UA out of ORD would be better IMHO. Long term I am hoping that the current push in BGI with regards to international sector lead I am pretty sure tha
239 airjamaica : Not to me. I doubt LGW bound passengers originating in KIN would want to fly down to POS before heading up to LGW, when BA will be operating 3x weekl
240 2travel2know2 : If BW/JM is to have a one B767 for the LGW route, that same plane might fly KIN-LGW-KIN 6 times per week: 3 times KIN-LGW-POS-KIN and 3 times KIN-POS
241 Post contains links beeweel15 : Well I do know that these reporters are not always accurate with their info but this still aroused my curiosity. "Speaking afterwards with reporters,
242 time2lyme : Surely better to make use of stops in other islands to make the route work. POS-GND-LGW POS-SLU-LGW POS-ANU-LGW POS-KIN-LGW POS-MBJ-LGW POS-GEO-LGW PO
243 Post contains links caribbean484 : It looks like Redjet's application for new routes out of BGI has been pulled as it is alleged that BGI authority has denied them routes. http://go-jam
244 GUYAIR707 : Maybe Bahamasair? They are in need of investment. Why not just feed the traffic to POS from the Southern Caribbean and fill the POS-LGW, and similarl
245 turk223 : I agree with all who have written on the importance - from a marketing perspective - to have a consistent in-flight product which includes a standard
246 Post contains links aa1818 : Also from that Newsday article So much information there, I just don't know what to say. I assume that if the ATR is to be used to Guyana, it will be
247 A388 : Seeing that Caribbean Airlines is taking more 737's, including brandnew ones, I assume they will eventually go for the 737MAX. I posted this informat
248 baje427 : Maybe Nicholas sees CAL as the EK of the Caribbean and POS as a DXB type hub I think KX might be a better option close to KIN and MBJ but a different
249 Post contains images 2travel2know2 : KY, 7I, PY and UP all have pro- and cons to go into a venture with BW/JM. IMHO: KY As government owned airline, it seems more interested in strategic
250 A388 : A better question will be whether these airlines want to join Caribbean Airlines or not. It's not like Caribbean Airlines is the king of all airlines
251 Post contains images aa1818 : No noise from the Trinis! hahaha I suspect that seeing as it would be a Panamanian entity taking it over and not a "fellow Caribbean island", there m
252 A388 : What added value does PY's network have to Caribbean Airlines' network? Their network really adds nothing. Their geographical location (PBM) is also
253 GUYAIR707 : PY and UP both have financial problems. In addition, now that Surinam is on EU's blacklist I am not sure where that leaves PY and AMS, maybe their A3
254 divemaster08 : GCM? From which airports? I always think that BW could easily work the POS-KIN route to continue onto GCM to connect us to the eastern caribbean. Oth
255 BW424 : New forum should be up by tonight. Been very busy of late but the discussions are very stimulating!
256 GUYAIR707 : Anyone has any idea why BW611 from YYZ is landing in St. Kitts? Is it a medical emergency, or something with the a/c, or just an error on flightaware?
257 Post contains links BW424 : New forum up! Apologies for the delay. St.Vincent Land So Beautiful-Caribbean Aviation 92 (by BW424 Nov 16 2011 in Civil Aviation)
258 time2lyme : Mainly because (as so many have already stated) pax don't like to go south before they go north, which I can understand.
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