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AA Dropping STL-DCA?  
User currently offlinestl1326 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 496 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7530 times:

Does anyone have any insight on if this is true? I looked on aa.com and nothing is showing up after Feb. 8th. It would not suprised me to see AA drop STL-DCA. Although I would be greatly disappointed as this would only leave Delta flying the route with regional jets.

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User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6570 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7501 times:

The route will be going from AA M80's to Eagle CR7's effective 2/9/11. Still three flights a day.

User currently offlineFutureUScapt From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 765 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7400 times:

Quoting stl1326 (Thread starter):
Although I would be greatly disappointed as this would only leave Delta flying the route with regional jets.

Well, you won't have to worry about that much longer since DL will be dropping the route once the slot swap is approved.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23013 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7402 times:

Quoting stl1326 (Thread starter):
Although I would be greatly disappointed as this would only leave Delta flying the route with regional jets.

I expect US will start it within the next year to 18 months. Besides ATL, I believe STL is the largest city within the perimeter they don't serve from DCA by a pretty good margin.



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User currently offlineusflyer msp From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7277 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 3):
I expect US will start it within the next year to 18 months. Besides ATL, I believe STL is the largest city within the perimeter they don't serve from DCA by a pretty good margin.

I agree that US will launch the route upon the completion of the slot swap (US previously flew it for a very short time in the 1990's). However there are several cities larger than STL that don't have DCA service from US namely Chicago (US has flown it before), Houston (US has flown it before), Atlanta (US has flown it before) and MSP.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23013 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7245 times:

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 4):
However there are several cities larger than STL that don't have DCA service from US namely Chicago (US has flown it before), Houston (US has flown it before), Atlanta (US has flown it before) and MSP.

I expect they'll start MSP, and IAH and ORD have UA codeshares.



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3592 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7246 times:

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 4):

I have flown ATL-DCA several times on DL, including last month.


User currently offlineLambertman From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2076 posts, RR: 36
Reply 7, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7198 times:

Disappointing that only regional jets will be offered in the route - although with American I can't say I'm surprised. It would be nice if American exited the market all together and gave Delta or US Airways the opportunity to fly it with larger aircraft.

Hopefully US Airways when the slot swap is complete will offer it with E175's or E190's. I think those are far more comfortable than CR7's.


User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7115 times:

Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 6):
I have flown ATL-DCA several times on DL, including last month.

The poster is talking about US Airways, not Delta:

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 4):
However there are several cities larger than STL that don't have DCA service from US namely Chicago (US has flown it before), Houston (US has flown it before), Atlanta (US has flown it before) and MSP.

I guess with DL and FL flying ATL-DCA, US was the odd man out on the route, although I would venture to guess that there are some cities they serve out of DCA that neither DL or FL offer service to, but not enough connecting traffic from the ATL service to justify keeping it. With FL being taken over by WN, this makes things even more interesting at DCA.

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 1):
The route will be going from AA M80's to Eagle CR7's effective 2/9/11. Still three flights a day.

That sounds about as bad of a downgrade when DL put Comair CRJ-100/200s on the DCA-BOS Shuttle route about a decade or so ago, replacing the 738s.


User currently offlineGSP psgr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7079 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 3):

I expect US will start it within the next year to 18 months. Besides ATL, I believe STL is the largest city within the perimeter they don't serve from DCA by a pretty good margin.

Nope, off the top of my head, Houston, Minneapolis/St. Paul, and Miami are all bigger, and I also think Cleveland is a little larger.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23013 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7038 times:

Quoting GSP psgr (Reply 9):
Nope, off the top of my head, Houston, Minneapolis/St. Paul, and Miami are all bigger,

SFL has service.

Quoting GSP psgr (Reply 9):
and I also think Cleveland is a little larger.

The CSAs are virtually identical in size; the St Louis MSA is quite a bit larger than the Cleveland MSA (which excludes Akron and Canton).



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offline707lvr From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 585 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6956 times:

Sign of the times, I guess. Pretty sure this was the first flight I ever took, DCA-STL and return, summer 1945, on a DC-3. Threw up (so they said.)

User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6763 posts, RR: 32
Reply 12, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6873 times:

Quoting srbmod (Reply 8):
That sounds about as bad of a downgrade when DL put Comair CRJ-100/200s on the DCA-BOS Shuttle route about a decade or so ago, replacing the 738s.

BOS-DCA only briefly saw substantial mainline service at the turn of the millenium (up to 9 daily round-trips, but far from hourly); it has never been a Shuttle route for Delta in the same way that it was for US Airways.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 5):
I expect they'll start MSP, and IAH and ORD have UA codeshares.

US doesn't codeshare on the all-CO-operated DCA-IAH service, and it does not codeshare on DCA-ORD, either. US also does not serve EWR from DCA (and the population of northern NJ alone is substantially larger than that of the St. Louis metro area).


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23013 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6821 times:

Quoting ScottB (Reply 12):
US doesn't codeshare on the all-CO-operated DCA-IAH service, and it does not codeshare on DCA-ORD, either.

No, although they show and sell the UA flights, so it's sort of a distinction without a difference.



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6763 posts, RR: 32
Reply 14, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6784 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 13):
No, although they show and sell the UA flights, so it's sort of a distinction without a difference.

You can't buy just DCA-ORD operated by UA on usairways.com actually. It's only sold as a leg of a connection.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23013 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6746 times:

Quoting ScottB (Reply 14):
You can't buy just DCA-ORD operated by UA on usairways.com actually.

Huh - when did ORDDCA become "hub-hub?" It certainly used to be "cross-sold" back when both operated it.



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlinestl1326 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 496 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6407 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 1):
The route will be going from AA M80's to Eagle CR7's effective 2/9/11. Still three flights a day.

That explains it.....I guess they are still loading the new schedule. At least they are not dropping the route completely.


User currently offlineatrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 17, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6070 times:

I would be pretty sure WN would launch STL-DCA with a transfer of slots ASAP, so it could easily compete with the abundance of RJ's if that becomes the case.

Too bad about AA dropping mainline! Is this due to MD80 retirements or yield issues or what?

Alex



Good things come to those who wait, better things come to those who go AFTER it!
User currently offlineFutureUScapt From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 765 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5609 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 3):
I expect US will start it within the next year to 18 months. Besides ATL, I believe STL is the largest city within the perimeter they don't serve from DCA by a pretty good margin.
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 5):
I expect they'll start MSP, and IAH and ORD have UA codeshares.

I expect you'll be proven correct.

Quoting Lambertman (Reply 7):
Hopefully US Airways when the slot swap is complete will offer it with E175's or E190's. I think those are far more comfortable than CR7's.

You might see an E70/E75 on the route, but I would not look to see an E90 on a route like that.



Quoting atrude777 (Reply 17):
I would be pretty sure WN would launch STL-DCA with a transfer of slots ASAP, so it could easily compete with the abundance of RJ's if that becomes the case.

I think it will come down to whether or not the DOT will alter the way in which it proposes the DCA/LGA slots to be auctioned off. As it stands now, one winner will take all eight divested slots in DCA but every eligible carrier has opposed this proposal sans WN. If the process is not changed and WN wins all eight, I would agree that STL will probably see DCA service. If it is changed and WN only ends up with, say four or five, I'm less convinced.

Quoting atrude777 (Reply 17):
Too bad about AA dropping mainline! Is this due to MD80 retirements or yield issues or what?

If I were to guess, I would suspect they are running relatively low load factors on the route at the fares they are charging (coupled with the lack of any material connecting traffic nowadays) so it makes sense to downgauge this route and redeploy the M80s on a route where extra seats are needed.

[Edited 2011-10-09 16:03:28 by srbmod]

User currently offlineatrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 19, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5369 times:

Quoting FutureUScapt (Reply 18):

I think it will come down to whether or not the DOT will alter the way in which it proposes the DCA/LGA slots to be auctioned off. As it stands now, one winner will take all eight divested slots in DCA but every eligible carrier has opposed this proposal sans WN. If the process is not changed and WN wins all eight, I would agree that STL will probably see DCA service. If it is changed and WN only ends up with, say four or five, I'm less convinced.

When I say transfer of slots, I am referring to the Air Tran side of the Acquisition, nothing to do with US/DL since FL does fly to DCA.

Alex



Good things come to those who wait, better things come to those who go AFTER it!
User currently offlineusflyer msp From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5345 times:

Quoting atrude777 (Reply 19):
When I say transfer of slots, I am referring to the Air Tran side of the Acquisition, nothing to do with US/DL since FL does fly to DCA.

I would imagine that WN would launch MDW-DCA and HOU-DCA and maybe BNA-DCA before they launched STL-DCA


User currently offlinecapitalflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4243 times:

CO slots should come open in a few months as well once UA and CO get SOC. I would imagine that UA should get a bunch of these back as I don't think anyone else does IAH or EWR other than CO (which is all they do from DCA I believe). Only way US would fly to some of these large cities is reallocating their current slots. They won't get awarded new slots to serve big cities.

User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4469 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4218 times:

Quoting Lambertman (Reply 7):
Disappointing that only regional jets will be offered in the route

Sometimes it seems that the USA legacy carriers would like to convert ALL their domestic routes to RJs. I'm sure if they could figure out a way to do NYC-LAX on RJs they would!


User currently offlineGizmoNC From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4210 times:

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 20):

I don't think so. STL for WN is a huge connect city and most likely it would win over MDW , BNA or HOU. STL is running about 86 flights per day not counting the FL flights. When those come over it will be somewhere around 90+. STL has been rumored to going to upward close to 100 flights but not sure of that time frame.


User currently offlinesteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1654 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4097 times:

Quoting GizmoNC (Reply 23):
I don't think so. STL for WN is a huge connect city and most likely it would win over MDW , BNA or HOU.

I think the size of operation and geography puts STL in the discussion of service before BNA or HOU, but there is absolutely no chance that WN would favor DCA-STL over DCA-MDW. The connecting operation at MDW obviously dwarfs STL and the market offers significantly higher O&D potential.


25 Post contains images FutureUScapt : Ah ok. Well in that case, I disagree FL's current DCA slot portfolio is as follows: 6x ATL, 1x RSW, 4x MKE, and 1x MCO. I can't imagine them reducing
26 BMI727 : Definitely MDW and HOU, but I'm not sure about BNA. STL might sneak in there as a stopover from DAL. It wouldn't.
27 IADLHR : Can an AIR-21 slot be transfered to the acquiring carrier in a merger? I thought the slot had to go back into the pot and be redistributed. In any ev
28 sfredspot : The MQ flights are loaded now.[Edited 2011-10-10 04:17:04]
29 Cubsrule : I don't think it would, but there are two potential answers to your question: 1) DAL access. STL has it. MDW doesn't. 2) WN seems to be making an eff
30 Shawn Patrick : Can someone do some research into where the Eagle CR7s are being shuffled in this upcoming winter? Here's what I can see so far: LGA-RDU all CR7s remo
31 flyby519 : Rumors of increases in CR7 flying out of LAX
32 atrude777 : Same as how EWR-STL was added in the first round, along with MDW. When I mentioned that DCA-STL would probably be added by WN, I wasn't competing in
33 flyby519 : I think it can go to Eagle, as long as Eagle remains a wholly owned subsidiary of AMR... but a spin-off of Eagle from AMR has been approved by the BO
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