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How Many Ex-Pan Am F/As Are Still Flying?  
User currently offlinewashingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7620 times:

How many ex-Pan Am Flight Attendants are still flying? Obviously many are with United and Delta (PMUA and PMDL respectively), but I'm sure there are some with airlines across the world.

Does your home country airline have any ex-Pan Am F/As? What about other airlines in the US?

I ask because I was wondering when watching Pan Am on ABC tonight how many F/As are still flying today who were flying for Pan Am in 1963...Anybody know of any?

[Edited 2011-10-09 20:24:22]

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User currently offlinenwa757boy From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 676 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7499 times:

I live in Austin TX, there is a 1965 hire Pan AM FA that commutes from AUS-ATL.

Last year I did recurrent training with a 1958 hire Pan AM FA. Lives in MIA commutes to ATL.

There are quite of few still flying.


User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 9955 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7461 times:

Anyone seen Cokepopper, lately? She should know.....she's been based at NYC for quite awhile.



I often wonder where the F/As are that we had based in TLV in '91. They had a pretty good gig..........left about 0630 for Paris.....spent all day there and came back to TLV in the evening.



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User currently offlineSEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 6676 posts, RR: 46
Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 7087 times:

I suspect that most of them will be getting on-I don't think Pan Am hired very many in the later years. Robert Gandt (author of "Skygods") wrote that when one of the sales of Pan Am routes went through (I believe it was the ones Delta bought) that the seniority was resolved by arbitration, and the Pan Am pilots got royally screwed, because the arbitrator decided on the basis of what their expectations would have been had they remained with Pan Am. Robert Gandt himself was hired as a copilot in the late 60's, and I believe he remained a copilot for his entire time with Pan Am, only becoming captain after he went with United after United bought the Pacific routes. This indicates that Pan Am hired very few pilots after the 60's, and while the 747's only required 2 pilots and a FE, just like the 707's, they did require more FA's. But I still doubt that hiring was very active.


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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8089 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 7022 times:
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Delta has many ex-Pan AM FA, more then UA, since they took over the biggest chunk of PA. Since its been 20 years some have retired, however while many would like to retire they probably as a group can't afford to retire. When PA went under their pensions went to the PBGC and after DL went Chapter 11 their Delta pensin's got shredded again. Many have to work well into their 60's.

User currently offlinepanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4792 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 7009 times:
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Quoting washingtonian (Thread starter):
how many F/As are still flying today who were flying for Pan Am in 1963...Anybody know of any?

I know a French lady based in NYC with Delta now who started with Pan Am in 1964, and a Swede who started in 1965, with whom I just flew last week. Many of them have either retired now or taken the packages, but there are still quite a few around at Delta, in both NYC and ATL. Many of the more senior Pan Amers left at Delta are 1970s hires.

When Delta took over, they did cut the Pan Am FAs' bidding seniority so as to protect some of the Delta FAs (since PA was going to have more senior FAs than DL). DL protected their first 3000 FAs, and then slot in one Pan Am FA for every 3 DL FAs. As a result, most of the very senior Pan Am FAs who went over lost about half of their bidding seniority (e.g., a 1965 PA hire had about 26 years by 1991 when DL took over, but got 'credit' for about 13 years. Together with the 20 years since DL took over, the 1965 hire today in 2011, has only 33 years seniority, even though she has been flying for 46 years. The younger PA FAs who went over to Delta lost less (they had less to lose given their years with PA) however.

Quoting SEPilot (Reply 3):
I don't think Pan Am hired very many in the later years.

Pan Am did hire a few hundred new FAs in 1988 when they started expanding their MIA ops. Some of them, usually with foreign language qualifications (which was DL's top priority when taking over Pan Am's ops in 1991), made it over to Delta and are still flying today.


User currently offlineplaneguy727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1210 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6953 times:

In this month's Hemisphere magazine (UA) there is a brief piece on a F/A that started with PA. She's based in either SIN or HKG (can't remember - was one, now the other according to the article).

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User currently offlinejamake1 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 978 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6953 times:

Quoting SEPilot (Reply 3):
This indicates that Pan Am hired very few pilots after the 60's, and while the 747's only required 2 pilots and a FE, just like the 707's, they did require more FA's. But I still doubt that hiring was very active.

Pan Am hired F/A's into the late 1980's. In addition to the ones that came over with the Pacific route purchase in 1986 and the LHR acquisition in 1990/91, UA has a number of former Pan Am F/A's that were hired after the carrier's demise in 1991. I've met several who flew for PA for only a few years...from '88/'89 to 1991. Most in that group group have a United seniority date of 1992.



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User currently offline747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3301 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6840 times:

My cousin was a F/A for Pan Am # 1, sadly we lost contact with her after Pan Am went bankrupt. She should be in her 40's now, so that shows that Pan Am was still hiring in the late 80's/ early 90's, because she would had to be in her 20's back in that time, and kid in the 70's.

User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 9955 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 6569 times:

The F/As I mention in TLV, were probably in their 20s or at most early 30s in '91, so I would think they are still flying, with someone.


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User currently offlineDelta777Jet From Germany, joined Jun 2000, 1198 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6061 times:

I am working for easyJet based in Beriln and I know about 6 people which worked for Pan Am IGS based in Berlin , they are all in their 40th and 50th and still talk very good about the times with PA !


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User currently offline1stfl94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 1455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5823 times:

Quoting panamair (Reply 5):
Pan Am did hire a few hundred new FAs in 1988 when they started expanding their MIA ops. Some of them, usually with foreign language qualifications (which was DL's top priority when taking over Pan Am's ops in 1991), made it over to Delta and are still flying today

Pan Am were still hiring, one of the flight attendants killed at Lockerbie had only been working at Pan Am for about six months before her tragic death.

A number of other FAs were hired for bases in places like Warsaw, Delhi, Belgrade and Istanbul around the same time, I think the Warsaw based FAs did end up at Delta at JFK.


User currently offlineJackbr From Australia, joined Dec 2009, 663 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5764 times:

Does the whole "Pan Am" image of immaculately groomed, sophisticated women carry on to the FAs who are with DL, UA etc now, or do they now just do the job and leave the old days requirements to just that, the old days?

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24061 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5721 times:

Quoting Jackbr (Reply 12):
Does the whole "Pan Am" image of immaculately groomed, sophisticated women

That was just an image. I flew Pan Am frequently in the 70s and 80s and never noticed any signficant difference between their cabin crews and those of other major carriers. And they weren't all women.


User currently offlinedelta2ual From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 606 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5621 times:

Quoting panamair (Reply 5):
DL protected their first 3000 FAs, and then slot in one Pan Am FA for every 3 DL FAs.

Yes, we called those 3000 the "sacred cows". LOL



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User currently offlineJackbr From Australia, joined Dec 2009, 663 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5616 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 13):

That's true - ALL airlines had the same high standards at the time, though Pan Am's "Stewardesses" from multiple different countries and the pre requisites of a second language and college education may (or may not) have led to some added difference?

In the 1960s Pan Am only had male pursers, I suppose with the introduction of the 747 they moved towards male FAs


User currently offlineEASTERN747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5592 times:

When I stationed to ORD in the mid 70's my office was next to the inflight offices. There was a Personal Appearance supervisor who had to check every F/A before they left on trips. She was herself a Vogue Model from the 50's and was quite attractive. She checked to be sure hair was neat, makeup was proper, shoes were shinned, and finger nails were polished. Then they had to hop onto the scale and had to meet company standards. If not, they were sent home-period!
Then there was a law suit, and all that had to stop among all the airlines. It was about the time men could be hired as a F/A. For the most part, the F/As up until this time had a professional and kept up the standards during their career. Managements concern was that some F/As ballooned out and had a difficult time getting down the asile. Especially the DC-9. TFTF sadly disappeard. (TOO FAT TO FLY)


User currently offlineluckyone From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 2129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5529 times:

Quoting 1stfl94 (Reply 11):
A number of other FAs were hired for bases in places like Warsaw, Delhi, Belgrade

How did Pan Am having stewardesses based behind the Iron Curtain or other socialist/communist countries work?


User currently onlinecanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2825 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5521 times:

Quoting EASTERN747 (Reply 16):
She was herself a Vogue Model from the 50's and was quite attractive. She checked to be sure hair was neat, makeup was proper, shoes were shinned, and finger nails were polished.

She probably is still employed with an airline like Eva Air. The most immaculate crews I've ever seen during the 90's and early 00's when I worked at the airport were from the Far East.

I knew a DL FA that was pretty high up on the seniority list in the early part of the last decade based out of JFK that started her career at Pan Am. She almost exclusively flew JFK-IST, commuted out of SEA and used to bring us back baklava if we'd get her a decent seat commuting to JFK.

I always find this interesting. One of the FO I know she flew with used to get that trip, and he had only a couple years with DL, commuted frequently at the same time she did. Seemed like a cat fight for FA's to get decent bids internationally.



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User currently offlineF9Fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 695 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5480 times:

Quoting luckyone (Reply 17):
How did Pan Am having stewardesses based behind the Iron Curtain or other socialist/communist countries work?

They discussed this a couple weeks ago when "Pan Am" started airing. The KGB was very suspicious of PA FAs, which was normal. The CIA actually recruited a few PA FAs, and a few "disappeared" with no one knowing what happened to them.


User currently offlineEASTERN747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5165 times:

The PA supervisor I described was from an era 90% of net people have no idea. After WW2 the fashion houses of Paris shot back to a glorious time. (Google high fashion 1950s). The F/As of that time were looked on as a highly professional carrer. Remember, passengers were not the bus trade. It cost alot of money to fly. A very small number of Americans went overseas. Many airlines like SAS grounded F/As at a certain age and assigned them ground jobs. F/As were not considered waitresses, they were given great respect ............Once again, the glory days of flight was in the twilight...
Please don't bust me for this.... it was what it was!


User currently offlinegasman From New Zealand, joined Mar 2004, 848 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4953 times:

I'm not sure about Pan Am, but judging by their age, many of UA's flight attendants are ex. Eastern Airlines.

 


User currently offlinedelta2ual From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 606 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4029 times:

Things were stricter then. My mother went to an interview at North Central in 1960 and she said the recruiter told her she didn't qualify because she had dyed her hair. You also couldn't have visible scars at that time.


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User currently offlineskymiler From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4016 times:

Just last year I encountered a PA flight attendant still flying for DL who I had crossed paths with on PA flights between JFK and GIG several times in the mid/late 70's. Small world ...


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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4008 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 13):
That was just an image. I flew Pan Am frequently in the 70s and 80s and never noticed any signficant difference between their cabin crews and those of other major carriers. And they weren't all women.

I saw PA crew once at Karachi Airport, they were very ordinary with typical generic dark blue uniforms and interestingly most of the female crew were black, this was late 1980s.


25 washingtonian : Wow, how did you remember her 30 years later?! What routes is she flying these days? Didn't realize Pan Am was still flying to Karachi in the late 80
26 skymiler : She was flying ATL - SLC last year. I had noticed that she was was wearing a Pan Am lapel pin so I asked here if she knew Amy Bratt (a quite well kno
27 Post contains links L1011Lover : Remember that Pan Am used to have a FA base in TXL for their IGS. About 300 FA's were based there - mostly German nationals, but also Americans and ot
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