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DL To Cut Service From MEM To 7 Additional Cities  
User currently offlineFutureUScapt From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 765 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 19654 times:

Effective 04Jan, DL will discontinue service from MEM to the following seven cities:

BWI (currently 2 daily)
ECP (1)
GPT (1)
GRR (1)
ICT (1)
MOB (2)
SEA (1 - mainline)

DL will also cut one frequency each to CLE, EWR, HSV, JAX, PHL, and SHV. All told, peak day departures will fall from 164 to 149 and the number of destinations served will fall from 65 to 58. Six of those 149 are flights to the EAS cities of GLH, PIB, and TUP of which DL is awaiting approval to end.

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User currently offlineBD338 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 697 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 19573 times:

Unsurprising. So DL quest to put all its southeast eggs in one basket and force everyone through Atlanta takes another step forward. How much longer can the AMS flight continue?

User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7281 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 19495 times:

Quoting BD338 (Reply 1):
So DL quest to put all its southeast eggs in one basket and force everyone through Atlanta takes another step forward.

What you say makes sense, but I just don't think it works like that in the airline industry. If it was just DL, I'd have second thoughts, but AA is cutting back STL, CO/UA is cutting CLE, DL is also cutting CVG... on paper having a stress reliever hub makes sense but the track record for them doesn't really seem to hold up.

I don't think any of the cities I mentioned will be completely dehubbed, just be a strong O/D market for each of these carriers...



Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
User currently offlineflyguy89 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1850 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 19495 times:

Well this is just sad. Do we know if some of these are seasonal or not?

Quoting FutureUScapt (Thread starter):

BWI (currently 2 daily)

Hard to believe this is being cut completely, it's a pretty major market....cue WN possibly?

Quoting FutureUScapt (Thread starter):
SEA (1 - mainline)

Again, difficult to believe this will go as one of MEM's last remaining strengths as a hub is transitting midwest and southeast pax out west.

Quoting BD338 (Reply 1):
How much longer can the AMS flight continue?

Not much longer at this pace IMO, it's already been reduced to what? 4x weekly for the winter?


User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1268 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 19413 times:

With these cuts, I'm sure the seasonal service to EVV, CID, ATW, and LNK will not come back next summer. I see AMS soldiering on through next labor day then ending.

The only surprising cut in that group is BWI. With SFO and SAN already gone and PHX down to just 1 flight, I'm not shocked to see SEA get the axe.


User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 19034 times:

Yeah i think at this point AMS is hanging on by a thread. As feed keeps getting reduced. I see it very hard to see this flight flying past summer 2012 im really sorry to say.

I am gonna try to connect thru MEM and CVG a few times this year to get some old memories back will i can. Anyone know how many mainline fly out of MEM each day? CVG is down to an actually short list too so im guessing MEM is close.

SEA im sad to see go but i think it was a predictable cut and what we all expected. It will just be interesting to see if/when more western flights get cut if Delta chooses to add a few more flights to SLC to offer Western connections or if they just ditch those small markets in Arkansas, Texas, Louisiana, etc that MEM still has/had a very small and useful place in the network connecting to head West but it is fading fast with connection options shrinking so it will be interesting what they decide to do

[Edited 2011-10-10 03:13:27]

User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 18903 times:

For an example of MEM slashing EWR-MEM goes from 2xCr9s to 1xCR7 that is a decent amount of seats a year. Sad to see i wonder what will become of that EWR slot? One more to ATL to delay WN from the inevitable entry or what?

User currently offlinem404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2220 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 18878 times:
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So the largest passenger carrier at MEM has decided that the only west coast worth a non-stop is LAX. No more SFO, SAN and now no SEA. I'm from SEA and had always noticed near full loads. This must speak volumes about the thin line of profit with breakevens at 90 and higher. Oddly the only long distance flight near the coast is LAS. They have three now and would like to know the Jan changes. I'd love to know if FF miles gets any seats on anything but the red eyes.


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User currently offlineyyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16228 posts, RR: 57
Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 18762 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 2):
on paper having a stress reliever hub makes sense

Not necessarily. A so-called nearby reliever hub means a duplication of resources (staff, aircraft and flights) and relative inefficiency: anyone living in the south can connect thru ATL to anywhere so what value does the small MEM hub provide? Better to scale back the MEM hub and funnel those pax thru ATL.

Sad to see the MEM hub in decline. Anyone who has connnected thru MEM knows it is a small but efficient (from a pax standpoint) hub with short walks to all gates.

Quoting m404 (Reply 7):
I'm from SEA and had always noticed near full loads. This must speak volumes about the thin line of profit with breakevens at 90 and higher.

Or, DL simply found a better use for an 8-9 hour SEA-MEM v.v. A320 route trip. Perhaps it was just not profitable enough.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 18678 times:

MEM does still offer service to LAX, LAS, SLC, DEN, and PHX for the western US. It really is shrinking and its connection power/usefulness is really shrinking naturally.

DEN still maintains 2x and i wouldn't be surprised to see that rolled down to 1x after ski season. LAX at 3x i bet we see "right-sized" to 2x as connecting traffic keeps slimming down over time to feed these. SLC will probably maintain 3x for connections


User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7348 posts, RR: 32
Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 18427 times:

Quoting BD338 (Reply 1):
So DL quest to put all its southeast eggs in one basket and force everyone through Atlanta takes another step forward.

Of course. As we used to say "It doesn't matter if you go to Heaven or Hell when you die, you will still have to go through the Atlanta airport."


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22320 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 18297 times:

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 9):
DEN still maintains 2x and i wouldn't be surprised to see that rolled down to 1x after ski season. LAX at 3x i bet we see "right-sized" to 2x as connecting traffic keeps slimming down over time to feed these. SLC will probably maintain 3x for connections

DEN probably gets dropped when WN starts it. Not a fight worth having. LAS/PHX might be in the same boat (I tend to think WN will wind up serving PHX but not LAS in the short term, but that's more a sense than anything backed up with empirical evidence).



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User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 2886 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 17692 times:

Quoting m404 (Reply 7):
I'm from SEA and had always noticed near full loads.

The flight was also full when I took it in March. Will AS step up and take over SEA-MEM?

This is why I dislike airline mergers. After the merger gets approved they start gutting service at some places.


User currently offlinediverdave From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 17602 times:

Quoting FutureUScapt (Thread starter):
DL will also cut one frequency each to CLE, EWR, HSV, JAX, PHL, and SHV. All told, peak day departures will fall from 164 to 149 and the number of destinations served will fall from 65 to 58. Six of those 149 are flights to the EAS cities of GLH, PIB, and TUP of which DL is awaiting approval to end.

Ouch. That leaves HSV-MEM at 1x and HSV-DTW at 2x. Everything else Delta goes to ATL.

I dread the 6:30 a.m. HSV-ATL flight. More often than not, it pushes back and parks due to flow control at ATL.

David


User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 17456 times:

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 6):


For an example of MEM slashing EWR-MEM goes from 2xCr9s to 1xCR7 that is a decent amount of seats a year. Sad to see i wonder what will become of that EWR slot? One more to ATL to delay WN from the inevitable entry or what?

LAX possibly?



"Folks that's the news and I'm outta here!" -- Dennis Miller
User currently offlineatlengineer From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 17109 times:

Quoting m404 (Reply 7):
I'm from SEA and had always noticed near full loads.

The flight was also full when I took it in March. Will AS step up and take over SEA-MEM?

This is why I dislike airline mergers. After the merger gets approved they start gutting service at some places.

What have the load factors been lately? Looks like DL has been downsizing aircraft to match demand. If these and other flights have been covering costs and also generating a reasonable profit, I would think DL would be continuing them.

ATLengineer


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6498 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 17023 times:

I remember not long ago when a lot of people insisted DL could never route all their southeastern traffic through ATL (and hence needed MEM)...looks like it will soon be true.

I'm somewhat amazed that PNS-MEM is still clinging on when all the markets around us ECP, MOB, VPS will have lost it....especially since there's basically no O+D on the PNS-MEM route.


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9385 posts, RR: 52
Reply 17, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 16993 times:

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 3):
Quoting FutureUScapt (Thread starter):
SEA (1 - mainline)

Again, difficult to believe this will go as one of MEM's last remaining strengths as a hub is transitting midwest and southeast pax out west.

SEA is a growing station while MEM is shrinking, so it is sad to see the route go, however MEM did not connect well with any of the flights leaving SEA except NRT which is covered elsewhere in the DL network.



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User currently offlineglareskin From Netherlands, joined Jun 2005, 1295 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 16929 times:

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 5):
Yeah i think at this point AMS is hanging on by a thread.

If it is that bad why not cut it now?

BTW which AMS flights from the US does DL have? I know of SEA, ATL, EWR, MSP, DTW. I am not sur if CVG is still alive. And I think there was another NY flight right?



There's still a long way to go before all the alliances deserve a star...
User currently onlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5222 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 16828 times:

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 16):
I remember not long ago when a lot of people insisted DL could never route all their southeastern traffic through ATL (and hence needed MEM)...looks like it will soon be true.

They don't want to redirect all the MEM traffic through ATL, just the business travelers, so as to squeeze out the junk fare traffic and get rid of some 50-seaters in the process.



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7281 posts, RR: 52
Reply 20, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 16824 times:

Quoting glareskin (Reply 18):
BTW which AMS flights from the US does DL have?

ATL, BOS, DTW, MEM, MSP, EWR, JFK, PDX, SEA



Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 11147 posts, RR: 62
Reply 21, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 16796 times:

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 16):
I remember not long ago when a lot of people insisted DL could never route all their southeastern traffic through ATL (and hence needed MEM)...looks like it will soon be true.

I continue to believe that at some point, you fall below a certain "floor" of critical mass below which the marginal revenue contribution of a hub-banked schedule is no longer sufficient to support the fixed costs of a hub-banked operation.

And, I suspect, Delta is rapidly approaching that point in Memphis (and Cincinnati, as well). I understand that Memphis has insanely low per-enplanement costs because of the long-paid-for terminal and FedEx-subsidized landing fees. But even still, as cheap as it may be to move a passenger through Memphis, it can't possibly be cheaper than moving one over Atlanta on a plane that was already going to Atlanta anyway. The economics of Memphis are even further challenged by the fact that the hub (again, along with Cincinnati) is now nearly entirely based on RJ flying, which is becoming more and more challenging with today's fuel environment.

As Delta continues to shift more and more connections over Atlanta, and in many cases just forces connecting traffic to supplement load factors on existing Atlanta flights, there becomes less and less economic justification for a hub - even a small one - in a second city. There are a few markets that today have flights over Memphis that are large enough and sufficiently far enough west that it may make sense to give those markets 1-2 daily CRJ700s to Salt Lake for west-bound connections where back-tracking to Atlanta may be too far out of the way. But, again, for the vast majority of smaller southeastern markets now served over Memphis, Atlanta is a perfectly suitable alternative connecting point for journeys heading north, east, west, etc.

Memphis is a relatively tiny market anyway for a major U.S. legacy airline hub, and could settle into a more optimized, O&D-focused schedule for Delta with, say:

ATL 6-8x daily
DTW 3x daily
MSP 3x daily
LGA 3x daily
SLC 3x daily
DCA 2x daily
LAX 2x daily
LAS 1x daily
FLL 1x daily
MCO 1x daily

I could imagine something along those lines.


User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8216 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 16779 times:

Quoting BD338 (Reply 1):
Unsurprising. So DL quest to put all its southeast eggs in one basket and force everyone through Atlanta takes another step forward.

Once upon a time, there were two suppliers. Then, they got together in a dark room. "What if we charged high prices to the entire region?" they asked each other. "Mua-ha-ha-ha."

"Then, we can retire your business Memphis, and save costs on that! Since it's very expensive to duplicate a hub, we stand to reap many years of cost savings, and revenue monopoly!"

The government overheard this and approved!

"Well done, ATL!"

"Now about that pesky Airtran..."

"Good news there too..."

The government heard about this last detail, and approved it as well!


User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2640 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 16761 times:

Quoting FutureUScapt (Thread starter):
All told, peak day departures will fall from 164 to 149 and the number of destinations served will fall from 65 to 58. Six of those 149 are flights to the EAS cities of GLH, PIB, and TUP of which DL is awaiting approval to end.
Quoting commavia (Reply 21):

ATL 6-8x daily
DTW 3x daily
MSP 3x daily
LGA 3x daily
SLC 3x daily
DCA 2x daily
LAX 2x daily
LAS 1x daily
FLL 1x daily
MCO 1x daily

I could imagine something along those lines.



WOW! From 149 to about 30 flights, and from 58 cities to 10.

WN, anyone?


User currently offlineglareskin From Netherlands, joined Jun 2005, 1295 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 16735 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 20):

ATL, BOS, DTW, MEM, MSP, EWR, JFK, PDX, SEA

So CVG is killed? And what about the airport close to New York (I forgot the name)Are SEA and PDX separate flights?



There's still a long way to go before all the alliances deserve a star...
25 BoeingGuy : DL still does CVG-CDG as the only remaining CVG-Europe flight, but stopped CVG-AMS several years ago.
26 peanuts : WN is certainly not the answer to every challenge. They got their plate pretty full. Well articulated post. The economic environment simply doesn't w
27 BD338 : wow, I remember when I lived in HSV, NW flew 3 or maybe even 4 flights a day. I also remember when the flights were upgraded to ARJs from the Saabs.
28 jetlanta : I think it is also fair to say that not many people figured we'd see yet another year of shrinking domestic legacy carrier capacity, driven by the ec
29 boeing6594 : It's a shame, I enjoyed connecting through MEM, small terminal, easy connections. Does anyone know if DL has given up any gates in MEM yet?
30 Post contains images dsuairptman : Farewell GPT-MEM, the longest cotinusley served route from GPT dating back to the days of Southern Airways DC-3s. This was also my first flight ever,
31 fanoftristars : I don't know, but we could sure use SLC-AMS. I think it would do well! I can't understand the business model to "cut our way to profitability". I rea
32 diverdave : It's been all 50 seat CRJs for quite some time. I remember flying Republic out of Huntsville when I first moved there. I flew Northwest out of HSV sh
33 FlyPNS1 : True, though I believe that MEM (and CVG) would eventually have died even if the economy was good. The bottomline is that DL can make greater profits
34 blackearth : "Farewell GPT-MEM, the longest cotinusley served route from GPT dating back to the days of Southern Airways DC-3s. This was also my first flight ever,
35 belizexp : I take it your talking about BDL........but it not serve non-stop anymore.
36 ChiGB1973 : Not sure about load factors? Was Delta downsizing to meet demand or decrease supply and increase demand? Chasing demand downward couldn't be good. Ri
37 n7371f : Just making certain that MEM-SEA is being permanently discontinued...The route was almost always axed in January under NW until April or so.
38 FSDan : I'm not surprised by this (other than BWI being cut), although it is sad. However, I think it makes sense to cut from MEM rather than from CVG since t
39 FL787 : It's going to be summer seasonal.
40 WROORD : Airline executives always say that nothing will change pre-merger and always a couple of years post mergers they keep announcing service cuts. If it i
41 Post contains links JohnJ : From the Memphis Commercial Appeal (the city's main newspaper) in today's edition: "Delta announced in March it would cut 25 percent of its flights, 8
42 SANFan : Just to clarify: the SEA-MEM cut is simply a normal seasonal reduction and it should not really be included in the OP list of cities? bb
43 Lambertman : Aside from the fact that the route is a terrible operational proposition, has there ever been a bigger cultural mismatch in terms of destination pair
44 FutureUScapt : Nope, it should be included. It was flown year-round in 2010/2011 albeit at a reduced frequency in the winter. Now it appears, the flight will only o
45 HPRamper : On mainline, the only non-hub flights left are to LGA and DCA. However, Cape Air flies quite a few routes for AA out of STL. It's still somewhat of a
46 LV : Wow... what a poor piece of research to call this an 'industry website'.
47 Post contains images mayor : I suppose you would if the economy was in better shape. Why is WN cutting many of the FL cities?? I suppose it's because they're money losers. Could
48 fanoftristars : What percent of seats/flights has DL cut vs WN in the last two years? I wouldn't call their cuts the same thing. I know the two airlines are apples t
49 PSU.DTW.SCE : This is very true. Capacity across the industry is going down, and as you said they're retrenching to the core.
50 FutureUScapt : If we look in terms of seats (within the US only for a fair comparison), WN/FL has cut just under 2% of seats while ASMs are up slightly. Meanwhile,
51 FlyASAGuy2005 : Culture aside (what does that even mean? We're here to make money) why would it be "terrible" operationally? I see the data every day. You'd be surpr
52 Drerx7 : Amen It is part of the answer here...and in all honesty probably the only taker to the MEM market. Unless F9 grows a pair to tackle MEM. Once WN and
53 Cubsrule : How many are local?
54 KarlB737 : What is the source of this information.
55 mayor : True......they could ride that "we're the best apple out there" right back into bankruptcy, again. DL is being proactive, this time, in terms of capa
56 Drerx7 : True. My bags and I hate DL and try and avoid them - but even I must admit it is a much improved airline from a service perspective.
57 Cubsrule : I actually disagree. The onboard soft product hasn't changed much and I've run in to many, many surly agents. ATL is also an operational mess.
58 Post contains images mayor : I'm sure they're not finished with the onboard improvements, yet. As far as the "surly" agents, perhaps things will improve once the representation i
59 Post contains images TVNWZ : Europe loves Elvis!
60 glareskin : What?? You mean people from Salt Lake City don't like alcohol, drugs, prostitution and the youth-in- Asia? I think they do it is just not legal over
61 BoeingGuy : He is probably referring to the high altitude takeoff from SLC, which has in the past caused the SLC-CDG flight to have to stop for fuel on hot summe
62 slcdeltarumd11 : I would think London is the best option to be added from SLC since o&d is much higher and more business traffic. AMS might make a nice summer sea
63 FlyASAGuy2005 : It's a very slow and painful process, yes. But there's been a lot of improvements since 2008 and i'm not only talking about PTVs. New tableware was r
64 mariner : Having seen Delta's over-reaction to Frontier's MCI-MSP I cannot think of a single reason for Frontier to go back to MEM. It wasn't a good idea the f
65 flyguy89 : I agree, I think if SLC ever gets an additional Europe service it would be London, I can't really see what AMS would bring to the table that CDG does
66 Lambertman : Because your likely cannibalizing traffic from each of Detroit, Minneapolis, and Atlanta-Amsterdam routes to serve a local market that is exceptional
67 CIDFlyer : Sad to see the axe coming back to MEM, had many good memories of connecting through there in the late 90s / early 2000s. Always thought it was such a
68 slcdeltarumd11 : Does anyone know the o&d for MEM-AMS? I wonder if that flight is alot feed from the remaining routes or if there is a chance it could last in a po
69 lightsaber : Which is why 'reliever hubs' take it hard during recessions. They also lack the profitable O&D traffic to 'bulletproof' a city pair. That is an i
70 AA767LOVER : Hi there, could you perhaps finish your sentence? You're onto something good. What is it you want to say?
71 MSPNWA : Getting tougher and tougher to connect through MEM. I look to go through MEM instead of ATL, but it's usually not been a good option. Really a shame s
72 AA767LOVER : Agreed! And the best fact is their Graceland merchandise and Corky's BBQ! Can't beat that! The delays at MEM can be quite something though. Also MEM
73 FutureUScapt : It can be verified by checking the booking engine or flight schedule portion of delta.com
74 N766UA : How do you figure?
75 HPRamper : To me, MEM seems to be the backwater hub that DL is satisfied with having wither on the vine. I don't see why DL would backlash at F9 at this point,
76 DeltaMD90 : LOL I guess that makes us all industry experts. Haven't they been cutting it even prior to the merger? Regardless, I don't see it lasting next to ORD
77 mayor : I think you might be surprised that the actual percentage of Mormons in Salt Lake City and along the Wasatch Front (including the east side of the mo
78 Cubsrule : The hard product is getting better. The soft product has, I think, gotten worse. I've run in to a number of flight attendants (especially PMDL) with
79 mayor : I think that may all change once the representation issues are settled. At least I hope they are.
80 Cubsrule : I hope so too. But it's not the reality today, and anyone arguing otherwise hasn't flown DL much lately.
81 Post contains images mayor : Is this all at ATL? There's a reason we always called ATL the "Black Hole"......................
82 Cubsrule : Yes, and there don't seem to be problems at other hubs - the other hubs seem to run better (or at least no worse) than they did pre-merger, and the p
83 HPRamper : I heard once that Delta is actually an acronym: Do Every Little Thing Awkwardly.
84 FlyASAGuy2005 : Where and when was this? Specifically. Don't speak english meaning you didn't understand what the agent was saying? All ACS employees are required to
85 AVLAirlineFreq : I see the term "reliever hub" thrown around on this thread and others on a.net, and I'm never quite sure what people mean by it. Oh, I know all the po
86 Post contains links lightsaber : Intesting. However, the down-sizing of CVG in recessions proves my point that 'reliever hubs' are extremely vulnerable during recessions. It is a 'fu
87 Drerx7 : Its funny, I know ORD, PHL, MSP are all notorious for operational issues...but, as much as I traverse ORD I have been caught only once with an operat
88 KarlB737 : Thank You Sir for the follow up. It is appreciated.
89 mayor : Let me give you a couple of examples.....these are cargo but are symptomatic of the lack of cooperation that we got from ATL.........once or twice so
90 Cubsrule : Usually on B, and usually late at night. The two experiences that stand out most are Flight 1015 on June 6 and Flight 342 on November 19. Don't speak
91 mayor : They'll usually hold the last flight of the evening to a destination for bags and pax........saves on hotel rooms and bag deliveries.
92 nwaesc : There is an approved method for determining representation. If it's integration you're talking about, there are several of those a arbitrator can use
93 Post contains images lightsaber : You are correct. I meant integration. I'll believe the arbitrator bit when US is fully integrated. Lightsaber
94 izbtmnhd : Considering CLE has always been around 70-80% O&D I'm not quite sure how it qualifies as a reliever hub as some have stated on here. I guess it's
95 jetlanta : Come on Cubs, you are better than this. I won't dispute any of your experiences, but you must admit that they are purely anecdotal. I'm about to hit
96 Cubsrule : I haven't done any such thing. I know a lot of folks in Nashville - including plenty of high level elites and former high level elites - who are very
97 flyguy89 : This figure seems to get larger every time it's mentioned but I have a hard time believing it's that high. I could easily believe 50-70% O&D for
98 Post contains images point2point : I'm thinking that this is a bit of snark here. But just for the record, Cleveland's own stats showed that it had 2,252,385 total passengers in Q1 of
99 MSPNWA : My experiences this year concur, Cubs. On every DL trip myself or a family member has taken this year (which isn't many anymore) we've encountered ve
100 slcdeltarumd11 : Don't insult ATL its staff or amenities are light years ahead of deltas third world level operation at JFK LOL JFK honestly is the worst Delta statio
101 mayor : And blowing off the problem, MAY BE the reason we're having the problem in the first place.
102 PSU.DTW.SCE : It is the same tired arguments from the same posters regarding DL's alleged service mistakes based on a handful of events. What does that have to do w
103 slcdeltarumd11 : Does fedex really need seats or do they fly employees on their own planes?
104 FlyPNS1 : The only connection is that even more DL flyers will be forced to cram through ATL, since connecting through MEM will not be an option any longer.
105 Post contains images Cubsrule : Are you suggesting that we are lying? I'm confused about what you are getting at. Look, 5 years ago DL was one of my favorite airlines, and I went ou
106 HPRamper : Management, crew and I believe mx can jumpseat (not sure about mx, I may be wrong) only for business purposes. However, the most seats I've ever seen
107 peanuts : Hopefully the little remaining capacity at MEM would be spread around a bit more and not just off loaded onto ATL. Keeping it a focus city at some le
108 Drerx7 : I understand that; but didn't DL rank last in customer service recently?
109 Cubsrule : I think maybe you've misunderstood me - perhaps because I was unclear. The issue isn't necessarily that DL is "bad." There are still moments of "good
110 Post contains images FlyASAGuy2005 : I don't think anyone's trying to call you a lier. If you said you had bad experiences then you did. In fact you're being a little dramatic evident in
111 mayor : I've been reluctant to say this in the past, because it may seem like I'm picking on the Western Airlines folks, but that is not my intent, at all. I
112 Cubsrule : No - but in addition to my experiences, I hear a lot more complaining about Delta than I did pre-merger. Remember that I live in what Jetlanta calls
113 Post contains links delta2ual : You're correct. Has been that way as long as I can remember. You may be interested in this article: http://www.centreforaviation.com/ana...s-pilots-v
114 Post contains links izbtmnhd : http://www.clevelandairport.com/Airp...er-traffic-shows--growth-at-C.aspx Sure some traffic is siphoned from EWR (and now from ORD) but not all that m
115 Cubsrule : I get the feeling you haven't read much of what I've said here.
116 dispatchguy : FedEx does not deadhead crewmembers on their own aircraft - they are commercialled to wherever they need to get to, and there is a LOT of deadheading
117 tommyy : I fly every week LGA to MEM and the loads are getting lighter and lighter but the majority of Delta personal that I encounter are very nice and friend
118 RWA380 : Having flown MEM- SEA a couple times on NW, one 757 & one A-320, both times full, both times connecting on a codeshared QX flight to PDX with lot
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