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AA To Retire Up To 11 757s; Trim Capacity 3%  
User currently offlineSkedGuy From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 137 posts, RR: 3
Posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 19726 times:
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From AA press release:

"FORT WORTH, Texas, Oct. 10, 2011 /PRNewswire/ -- American Airlines today said it will adjust its late fall and winter schedule, which is expected to result in fourth quarter mainline capacity that is approximately 3 percent lower on a year-over-year basis.

In addition, as part of the reductions, American said it will retire up to 11 Boeing 757 aircraft in 2012."

Full release available here:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Americ...es-prnews-3934746258.html?x=0&.v=1

Let the slow retirement of the 757s begin. We all knew it was inevitable given today's economic realities, as well as AA's upcoming delivery schedules from Boeing and Airbus, but it's still hard to believe that we're going to start to see these planes put down already.

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User currently offlineelmothehobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 19631 times:

American will still take delivery of 28 737-800s, I wonder how many MD-80s are supposed to leave the fleet.

User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2894 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 19629 times:

  

Wow, another workhorse being cut back...and ahead of the deliveries for the newer and more fuel efficient planes that were ordered. Interesting, and quite amazing considering the huge number of AA B757 flights I see here at JFK every day. I know, I know, it's only 11 aircraft being retired, but I thought this would have been put off until the new A320's and B737's start rolling in from their massive orders.



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User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3874 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 19534 times:
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Quoting SkedGuy (Thread starter):
but it's still hard to believe that we're going to start to see these planes put down already.

BA already got rid of theirs, and so did Iberia.

Prior to the merger with Delta, Northwest had already begun retiring them. And I'm sure that Delta has already started the retirement of their own 757s.

Don't know about US Airways, can someone please clarify, but I'm sure that they also think of retiring theirs, the ex-Eastern 757s are the oldest ones built with the ones BA flew since the mid 80s.

So I'm not surprised American is already considering to begin the retirement of them. The oldest one is already 22 years old. However the ones flying on TATL routes will stay in the fleet for a while. I am confident that we will still see many 757s at American flying domestic for a few years to come.

Ben Soriano



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User currently offlinemffoda From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1083 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 19178 times:

Any of these birds BCF possibilities? FedEx??


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User currently offlineFLALEFTY From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 477 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 19110 times:

Quoting American 767 (Reply 3):
So I'm not surprised American is already considering to begin the retirement of them. The oldest one is already 22 years old. However the ones flying on TATL routes will stay in the fleet for a while. I am confident that we will still see many 757s at American flying domestic for a few years to come.

I'm betting that these 11 757s they are planning to park are coming up on major overhauls.

The 757 is still important on some of AA's South American routes out of MIA due to their long range/high payload and good hot/high performance. Those routes will see the last of AA's 757 service, later this decade.


User currently offlinebonusonus From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 18901 times:

Quoting mffoda (Reply 4):
Any of these birds BCF possibilities? FedEx??

I would think so. FedEx has been scooping these up like crazy.What makes a good candidate for this though?


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8428 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 18817 times:
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AA's 757 are newer then the BA ones by 10 years and some were delivered around 2000-2001. AA 757 also have an average flights length much higher then BA's. BA used thier 757 from LHR to Paris, BRU and AMS plus Manchester so many were 45 minute flights.

User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4520 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 18659 times:

Quoting SkedGuy (Thread starter):
fourth quarter mainline capacity that is approximately 3 percent lower on a year-over-year basis.

I wonder if this means that EWR-MIA will remain at 1x daily instead of going back to 3x daily.


User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1696 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 18520 times:

Quoting N62NA (Reply 8):
I wonder if this means that EWR-MIA will remain at 1x daily instead of going back to 3x daily.

If the demand is there, AA can surely put more flights on MIA EWR with 738's.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33040 posts, RR: 71
Reply 10, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 18495 times:

Quoting N62NA (Reply 8):

Quoting SkedGuy (Thread starter):
fourth quarter mainline capacity that is approximately 3 percent lower on a year-over-year basis.

I wonder if this means that EWR-MIA will remain at 1x daily instead of going back to 3x daily.


It was never reduced to 1x daily on a weekly basis in the first place! It is temporarily 16x weekly.

Due to a pilot shortage, there are pre-determined cancelations that see it operate with one frequency on select Tuesdays and Wednesdays through mid-November. Year-round, twenty-one weekly flight service on this route resumes next month, unless pilot shortages hold it back again. MIANYC is an easy market for AA to cut frequencies on because it has so much capacity it can easily reaccommodate.

Unfortunately, AA has been proactively canceling many flights through January as pilots leave in droves. MIA has been particularly hit, as pilots leaving are largely senior, both 777 and 757/763.

[Edited 2011-10-10 17:49:27]


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User currently offlinefxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7309 posts, RR: 85
Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 18465 times:
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Comical AA needed a press release for this 'news'. The retirements a lone of pilots would warrant reduction in the 757 fleet. A 3% capacity cut running up to winter season? I'm shocked!   

Quoting mffoda (Reply 4):
Any of these birds BCF possibilities? FedEx??

  



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25748 posts, RR: 50
Reply 12, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 18351 times:

Fedex will not touch these birds as all of AA's are wingleted and there is no freighter conversion STC for winglet aircraft.

Fedex neither wants to pay for the STC, nor wants aircraft with inherit lower cargo capacity due to higher OEW which the winglets bring along.

[Edited 2011-10-10 18:05:49]


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33040 posts, RR: 71
Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 18260 times:

Quoting fxramper (Reply 11):
Comical AA needed a press release for this 'news'. The retirements a lone of pilots would warrant reduction in the 757 fleet. A 3% capacity cut running up to winter season? I'm shocked

I don't think there is a correlation. AA clearly sees a fall-off in demand next year and it will simply park some planes faster rather than waiting for deliveries to start in 2013. The capacity loss looks to be short term, pending further announcements.



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User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4520 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 18158 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 12):
Fedex will not touch these birds as all of AA's are wingleted and there is not no freighter conversion STC for winglet aircraft.

Wouldn't it be possible to remove the winglets?

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 10):
Due to a pilot shortage, there are pre-determined cancelations that see it operate with one frequency on select Tuesdays and Wednesdays through mid-November. Year-round, twenty-one weekly flight service on this route resumes next month, unless pilot shortages hold it back again. MIANYC is an easy market for AA to cut frequencies on because it has so much capacity it can easily reaccommodate.

Oh, so it's a pilot shortage. You didn't say that when I pointed this out originally. Interesting that on some weekdays AA has cut MIA-EWR-MIA by 66%, but they haven't done that at LGA/JFK. It's just too bad AA neglects the NJ side of the Hudson.

Anyway, since AA has now announced capacity reductions, I wouldn't at all be surprised to see EWR remain at the reduced levels they are at currently on the MIA route.


User currently offlinebmibaby737 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 18091 times:

FedEx have already purchased aircraft with winglets, so this shouldn't stop them surely. I was under the impression that winglets could be removed.

bmi.


User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1966 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 18036 times:

Initially the 757 retirements come as a surprise to me, but it isn't after a little researching. It's easy to forget how large AA's 757 fleet is (the cut isn't even 10%), and the majority are 18-22 years old. The decision is not out of line.

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25748 posts, RR: 50
Reply 17, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 17998 times:

Quoting N62NA (Reply 14):
Wouldn't it be possible to remove the winglets?

I've never heard of a reverse procedure, however some of the inherit weight penalties will still exist in the aircraft due wing strengthening.

Anyhow, why spend $millions(?), to do so when there is ample non-winglet 757 feed stock around the world.
For instance I am aware FX is kicking the tires on a fleet of 50 odd birds, and has clearly stated it only wants non-winglet examples.

Quoting bmibaby737 (Reply 15):
FedEx have already purchased aircraft with winglets,

For parting/spares.


For info we had a discussion about this in TechOps previously
http://ww.airliners.net/aviation-forums/tech_ops/read.main/299923


Now lets get back to the topic of this thread - AA and its issues.

[Edited 2011-10-10 18:26:28]


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User currently offlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1545 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 17976 times:

Has AA ever sold or retired a non-TWA 757 or will these be the first?


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User currently offlineNutsaboutplanes From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 504 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 17822 times:

Quoting American 767 (Reply 3):
Don't know about US Airways, can someone please clarify, but I'm sure that they also think of retiring theirs, the ex-Eastern 757s are the oldest ones built with the ones BA flew since the mid 80s.

As soon as there is a jet that can do Hawaii from PHX and east coast-Europe flights, the 757's will vanish. There was word that US was in talks with Airbus on the capabilities of the 321 NEO but US remains skeptical. You will rarely see a US 757 flying a domestic route with the exception of some filler flights due to ground time like PHX-SNA.

There are a few exceptions such as SEA -PHL which sees a 757 sometimes and of course PHL-ANC as the 757 is the only NB that can do this flight without ridiculous payload restrictions.



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User currently offlineLV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 2007 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 17733 times:

Quoting SkedGuy (Thread starter):
In addition, as part of the reductions, American said it will retire up to 11 Boeing 757 aircraft in 2012."

In other news G4 and FX are beating a path to Fort Worth as quick as possible  


User currently offlineFutureUScapt From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 765 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 17674 times:

As part of the reductions, AA will discontinue nonstop ORD-HNL service after 04Jan. AA Eagle will also end all service to AVP after 10Nov.

User currently offlineNutsaboutplanes From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 504 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 17612 times:

Just thought I would also add that US Airways is in the market for "newer" 757's to replace the oldest jets. The carrier recently took delivery of a younger B757 from North American Airlines....I believe it is aircraft N910US or N912US but I could be wrong....I will have to verify that tail #.


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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11752 posts, RR: 62
Reply 23, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 17581 times:

Quoting FutureUScapt (Reply 21):
As part of the reductions, AA will discontinue nonstop ORD-HNL service after 04Jan.

It's seasonal - it returns for summer 2012 (at least as of now).


User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1933 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 17611 times:

My bet is G4 is burning up the phone lines to AArpey's office right now...

25 goldenstate : That won't be the only major difference from AA's birds. I recall Arpey specifically calling out the 757 fleet on an earnings call a couple of years
26 SANFan : AA is cancelling their 2nd SAN-JFK roundtrip early next month (just announced) but this has been a sometimes-seasonal capacity increase/decrease for t
27 SESGDL : I don't see why the capacity cuts would be short term. DL has been very proactive with capacity cuts this year, and WN has already announced that no
28 IrishAyes : They cut this route back in 2008 and it came back around 2009/2010...on again, off again, so I guess seasonal will do...
29 boberito6589 : That is correct I think we added that aircraft right at the beginning of summer. I'm pretty sure we'll be hanging on to them until there is a narrow
30 Byrdluvs747 : When the newer aircraft start coming in won't it become harder to park aircraft as some will be leased?
31 FutureUScapt : My mistake, you are correct. I neglected to look past the spring break time period. Smart move if you ask me - keep ORD-HNL only during the peak summ
32 MAH4546 : I believe this is pilot-related, as are all the recent last-minute cancellations that we've been seeing everywhere. The capacity cuts will be publish
33 apodino : Another interesting development at AA today was that they announced that they would have to "temporarily" outsource some of their heavy mx. The reason
34 wn676 : It's N207UW, which replaced N903AW. It looks like AAs oldest 757s - assuming these would be the frames they would shed - are only slightly younger th
35 panamair : Well, they have been criticized by analysts during the last few months for being slow in cutting capacity, so I guess this was an attempt to placate
36 Nutsaboutplanes : Thanks! You saved me from a lunch-time research project!
37 Post contains images DeltaMD90 : I know I'm still a youngin, but it is sad to see the 757 getting to be too old and being retired...
38 slcdeltarumd11 : I think this is exactly what AA HAS to do. They have to reduce capacity and market-share until the more fuel efficient planes come in. Don't cut desti
39 gdg9 : Where was this reported? Very interesting.
40 FlyASAGuy2005 : I saw it on a Google Alert. I'm sure if you do a search on the net you'll find something. Article I saw said that TIMCO will be doing the temporary w
41 ckfred : Why cancel a non-stop to a warm weather destination during the winter? That's like reducing service to PHX and PSP in January.
42 air757200 : Correct, TIMCO will be performing work on four (4) 757s.
43 Post contains links and images LAXintl : The comments were related to TAESL, the engine/apu venture AA has in association with Rolls Royce. The way things played out saw saw AA overhead cost
44 einsteinboricua : I always thought AA would be the last to start retiring 757s. I guess now's their time.
45 na : 757s appear to be operated a bit longer than the average type nowadays. In service since 1983, not many have been scrapped. But the majority of 757s a
46 washingtonian : Why? Wouldn't FedEx benefit from the increased performance that winglets bring? Why wouldn't they want them? DCA gets US 757s regularly. Isn't this p
47 Post contains images lightsaber : The reality is that, at today's fuel prices, there is far more profit potential per flight for a 738 than a 757 or MD-80s. I do not expect the unions
48 apodino : I gotta defend the Union on this one. The rationale given behind the MCI closure is that their workload could be absorbed by other facilities. Now we
49 commavia : No. Hawaii has two major "peaks" - one is the prime summer vacation period when families have kids out of school (May-August) and the second is the a
50 STT757 : answer:
51 IrishAyes : It is also a lower-yielding route with a very long stage length. AA can easily route ORD-Hawaii pax over DFW or LAX in the off-periods, as these are
52 Jacobin777 : At the time, AA made the right decision. Keeping a facility open and running it at less than optimal efficiency isn't the best business decision. Whi
53 qqflyboy : What's of most importance with this announcement is the company's acknowledgement in interal communications the likely need to furlough employees comp
54 apodino : It boils down to bad planning in my opinion. I don't doubt that the work is going to slow down and when it does with proper planning you can right si
55 xdlx : Why not Furlough ARPEY for about 5 years!
56 777STL : That's a bit of a stretch, IMO. AA has cut ORD-HNL in the past, and this time it appears to only be seasonal. Other than the oddball, point to point,
57 lightsaber : Fair enough. However, often the tax burden forces the closing of facilities. I do not argue AA is doing what is right... I argue they almost have no
58 apodino : That's true, however getting a few politicians on your side by saying that jobs might be lost, and you will almost certainly get tax breaks because n
59 Post contains images par13del : I can just hear the other unions saying I told you so Bottom line is that it is a take it or leave it reality, no matter how much management smiles i
60 AADC10 : The ORD-HNL route is partially to keep up with UA. UA did not operate this route for a time after the retirement of their DC-10s. It is a long, low y
61 boeing767mech : The 757 Heavy Checks getting farmed out to Timco had nothing to do with MCI getting shut down, It had to more to do with the fact they are finding mo
62 vegas005 : Just back from LHR Qantas - A380 check BA - 747 check Singapore - A380 check AA - Old nasty looking 757 check. I love the 757 for short rides, but nev
63 LAXintl : For those that say post New Years is a low travel period to Hawaii to justify the ORD-HNL drop are misinformed. Matter of fact, winter months are quit
64 par13del : Not enough.
65 American 767 : Not nasty at all. It may be getting old but it is not nasty, even with the old F brown leather seats. Oh I don't mind. It doesn't bother me to fly on
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