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Any New Oneworld Members On Horizon?  
User currently onlineglobalflyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 925 posts, RR: 3
Posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 6991 times:

After announcing that IT, AB and MH would join by 2012 into the alliance, I was curious to see if any others are on the horizon? I know that there is a big gap for the African and China mainland markets so I wondered if maybe AT, TU or AH in Northern Africa or HU in China maybe considered candidates?


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User currently offlineflyby519 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6952 times:

Likelyhood of WS, B6, or US on the horizon as well?


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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8752 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6877 times:
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Perhaps LAN's newest passenger affiliate LAN Colombia will become a oneworld affiliate member during 2012.


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User currently onlineglobalflyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 925 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6765 times:

I would think that LAN Colombia would join after the integration. Are all LA subsidiaries apart of the alliance? I do not see US joining unless a merger with AA occurred which I think is unlikely and I know discussed to death here. B6 would be a great fit as would WS. But with LH having shares in B6 I bet they would throw up a red flag. It appears that WS is following AS and going the code share route.

I would love to see another Gulf carrier (EY) to join alongside RJ, but at the moment I do not see EK/EY/QR joining any alliance? I fully expect that with the JJ/LA merger that oneworld will win this battle.



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 4, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6719 times:

Quoting globalflyer (Reply 3):
But with LH having shares in B6 I bet they would throw up a red flag

A coupe of things. LH's investment wouldn't really have too much to do with where B6 goes. In fact, if it helps B6 to become more profitable, LH would be up for it as it would increase their ROI.   

Add to this:

"UPDATE: Lufthansa CEO Not Ruling Out A Sale Of Stake In JetBlue "

-Wall St. Journal (google it)

IIRC, IAG's Walsh has also stated that IAG might make an investment into B6.

globalflyer (Reply 3):
I would love to see another Gulf carrier (EY) to join alongside RJ,


I don't see EY joining OneWorld anytime soon. GF would probably be a better bet. I could even see IAG taking an investment in GF as the govt. wants to privatize it.

Quoting globalflyer (Reply 3):
but at the moment I do not see EK/EY/QR joining any alliance?

I agree. I see maybe (and I use that word lightly) QR joining Star but that's about it for now.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8752 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6438 times:
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Quoting globalflyer (Reply 3):
Are all LA subsidiaries apart of the alliance?

Yes, with the exception of Aerovías de Integración Regional S.A. (LAN Colombia). LAN Airlines S.A. is a full member of the oneworld alliance.

LAN oneworld affiliate members:

LAN Argentina
LAN Ecuador
LAN Express
LAN Perú S.A.

[Edited 2011-10-13 10:38:45]

User currently offlinestaralliance85 From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 201 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6329 times:

My best guess is that B6 and EY will eventually join Oneworld but Not anytime soon. AS and HU is going to be a huge bidding war between Oneworld and Skyteam. My question is once the LAN-TAM merger is complete who are they going to go to Star or Oneworld? If LAN-tAm joins the Star Alliance it would be a Huge loss for Oneworld and the Star Alliance would dominate the World!!


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User currently offlineCMB320 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 413 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6301 times:

Quoting staralliance85 (Reply 6):
AS and HU is going to be a huge bidding war between Oneworld and Skyteam

I would be very surprised, considering how closely DL and AS cooperate, that AS would join OneWorld over SkyTeam.


User currently offlinelhr380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6290 times:

Quoting staralliance85 (Reply 6):

From everything thats come out, and looking at all the facts, they would be stupid not to stick with OW. They gain more out of a Oneworld package then they ever would with Star.

AS I dont see coming into the alliance unless they have a sudden massive change in the way they run there operation. They codeshare and interline with almost anyone and seem to do very well out of it.


User currently offlinePEET7G From Hungary, joined Jan 2007, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5831 times:

Quoting staralliance85 (Reply 6):

EY would be a great addition for OW and greatly increase the competitiveness for EY against EK, but I feel EY needs OW more than the other way around  
HU would be the much needed boost for OW's presence in China, however I am really curious how it would work out for Hainan as Hainan Group. I think CX would be furious to see HK in OW :P



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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2949 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5664 times:

Any chance of JQ becoming an affiliate member? They seem to like being involved yet resist actually joining/officiating anything.

User currently offlineaircanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5589 times:

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Quoting staralliance85 (Reply 6):
My best guess is that B6 and EY will eventually join Oneworld but Not anytime soon. AS and HU is going to be a huge bidding war between Oneworld and Skyteam. My question is once the LAN-TAM merger is complete who are they going to go to Star or Oneworld? If LAN-tAm joins the Star Alliance it would be a Huge loss for Oneworld and the Star Alliance would dominate the World!!

from all previous posts about LAN-TAM pre merger the finger points toward Oneworld, it will be a big loss for Star and huge gain for Oneworld..Since LAN is taking TAM it makes sense it will go toward Oneworld but if it were TAM taking over LAN then it most likely head toward Star.


User currently offlineSomedayTrijet From China, joined Nov 2010, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5548 times:

Quoting staralliance85 (Reply 6):
AS and HU is going to be a huge bidding war between Oneworld and Skyteam.

I would be very surprised if Skyteam would want HU. ´They already have China Southern, China Eastern and soon Xiamen Airlines, so HU wouldn't bring anything significant to Skyteam. Would just become a mess of overlapping routes.



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User currently offlineflythere From Hong Kong, joined May 2010, 438 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5522 times:

Quoting globalflyer (Thread starter):
After announcing that IT, AB and MH would join by 2012 into the alliance, I was curious to see if any others are on the horizon? I know that there is a big gap for the African and China mainland markets so I wondered if maybe AT, TU or AH in Northern Africa or HU in China maybe considered candidates?

JJ         

Quoting staralliance85 (Reply 6):
HU is going to be a huge bidding war between Oneworld and Skyteam.

3 Skyteam carriers in mainland China? Never!


User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2351 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5407 times:

Personally, I would like to see IAG make a move for the remaining ownership of AZ(AF controls 25%). If not AZ, then the next best thing would be for IG as they recently merged with Air Italy. That would place OW in second place in the Italian market. However, IG needs some network, fleet, and service adjustments. -- Nothing BA couldn't tackle within a few months.

As far as Africa is concerned, OW needs to capture or have a serious presence in Nigeria. I proposed Arik Air in previous discussions, only to attract a lot of naysayers. However, compared to AT or TU, Arik's LOS hub is more centrally located and would serve intra-Africa traffic far better than CAS or TUN.

Sponsoring Arik would constitute organic growth as they are not ready to join any big alliance yet. BA used to be fairly active in recruiting franchises in Africa. I wish they would return to that.

Another possible candidate would be UL. They have publicly stated that they are only interested in OW or *A.

Quoting globalflyer (Reply 3):
But with LH having shares in B6 I bet they would throw up a red flag.

Why do people keep spewing this nonsense. LH only holds 19% of B6, so they have no ability to stop B6 from joining OW.

Quoting CMB320 (Reply 7):
I would be very surprised, considering how closely DL and AS cooperate, that AS would join OneWorld over SkyTeam.

Side agreements would still be possible if AS joined OW, but I can never see a situation where AS totally turns down OW just to join Skyteam.

Quoting staralliance85 (Reply 6):
My question is once the LAN-TAM merger is complete who are they going to go to Star or Oneworld?

Part of the Chilean ruling was that LATAM can not be in the same alliance as TACA and Avianca. So unless *A is willing to kick them to the curb, JJ can not be a member of Star.

Quoting PEET7G (Reply 9):
HU would be the much needed boost for OW's presence in China, however I am really curious how it would work out for Hainan as Hainan Group. I think CX would be furious to see HK in OW :

You are correct in saying CX would be furious. As a way around this animosity, I have proposed in previous threads that HU sell HK to CX, and the two form an intense JV for mainland routes. I'm not sure if the chinese govt would allow a merger between the two. They seem to have this anti-CX mentality going.



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User currently offlinedelta2ual From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 5301 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 2):
Perhaps LAN's newest passenger affiliate LAN Colombia will become a oneworld affiliate member during 2012.

Yes it will.

Quoting aircanada014 (Reply 11):
from all previous posts about LAN-TAM pre merger the finger points toward Oneworld, it will be a big loss for Star and huge gain for Oneworld..Since LAN is taking TAM it makes sense it will go toward Oneworld but if it were TAM taking over LAN then it most likely head toward Star.

Star won't get LATAM; they already have (or will have) Avianca-TACA, and COPA. I believe GOL will go to SkyTeam.

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 14):
Personally, I would like to see IAG make a move for the remaining ownership of AZ(AF controls 25%).

I really doubt that will happen without AF/KL putting up a serious fight. Plus, I think the JV with DL,AF/KL will ensure the sale goes to AF. But, this is the airline industry, and stranger things have happened.



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User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2351 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5252 times:

Quoting delta2ual (Reply 15):
I believe GOL will go to SkyTeam

I see no benefit in choosing ST over *A. That would be a bad move on G3's part.

Quoting delta2ual (Reply 15):
Plus, I think the JV with DL,AF/KL will ensure the sale goes to AF.

Nothing is ensured. The JV would obviously be dismantled in the event IAG won the bidding war. As things are currently set up, nothing prevents IAG from buying AZ. Even if IAG lost, at least they would force AF to spend a large amount of capital 

I think IAG will run up against some serious opposition by the EU govt in any attempt to buy TP. I would rather them go for AZ instead as there is no govt ownership involved and there should be no competition issues.



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User currently offlinedelta2ual From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5219 times:

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 16):
I see no benefit in choosing ST over *A. That would be a bad move on G3's part.

Except GOL already codeshares with DL,AF,KL & Aerolineas Argentinas. Additionally, why would GOL join STAR, when STAR will have Avianca-TACA, COPA, and most likely Avianca Brazil? Why would joining ST be a " bad move" on G3's part?

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 16):
Nothing is ensured. The JV would obviously be dismantled in the event IAG won the bidding war. As things are currently set up, nothing prevents IAG from buying AZ. Even if IAG lost, at least they would force AF to spend a large amount of capital 

I think IAG will run up against some serious opposition by the EU govt in any attempt to buy TP. I would rather them go for AZ instead as there is no govt ownership involved and there should be no competition issues.

I never said anything was "ensured". AZ and AF have had a long-standing relationship, with AF being part-owner. They already have the JV. As you've said, anything can be undone, but the odds are in AF's (and SkyTeams) favor. IAG should go after Air Italy; although I don't think they really need an Italian partner at all.
One thing is for certain, IAG would never be allowed to buy TP and control the entire Iberian peninsula, and most of the traffic from Europe to South America.



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User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2351 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5152 times:

Quoting delta2ual (Reply 17):
I never said anything was "ensured"

Well, you said....

Quoting delta2ual (Reply 15):
Plus, I think the JV with DL,AF/KL will ensure the sale goes to AF.

I fail to see how the JV will ensure that AF will win in any bidding war. The JV in itself doesn't ensure anything in regards to ownership, nor is there any binding permanence to a JV that gives AF/Skyteam an advantage.

Quoting delta2ual (Reply 17):
AZ and AF have had a long-standing relationship,
Quoting delta2ual (Reply 17):
with AF being part-owner.

Both points would be rendered irrelevant if IAG came out the winner. AF would still own its 25%, but would have no say in terms of JV's, or alliance.

Quoting delta2ual (Reply 17):
One thing is for certain, IAG would never be allowed to buy TP and control the entire Iberian peninsula, and most of the traffic from Europe to South America.

Here we both agree. The combination of AA,LATAM,BA/IB/TP throws up all kinds of red flags and sirens. There would have to be some serious concessions written into IAG's proposal to buy TP.



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User currently offlineblink182 From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 1999, 5480 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5146 times:

I used to think that EY would go oneworld, but now I am not so sure. Yes, EY codeshares with a few oneworld airlines, but they codeshare with just about everybody these days. They're quite similar to AS in this regard and seem to enjoy their independence. Oneworld may welcome EY's brand power and reputation, but if they join, it will probably be as a reaction to a series of moves by QR or EK. EY's strong brand power and AUH's central location between Europe and Australia are the only assets oneworld could really use. RJ, despite being smaller than EY, covers the Middle East and is really developing its AMM hub. I wonder what will happen to AMM once the infrastructure is finished. India is soon to be covered with IT(if they can stay in business), Europe of course is covered, and CX and QF cover SE Asia fairly well. EK, with its strong Africa network make EK a better fit for oneworld than EY.

If anything, oneworld should be targeting African carriers. Comair, BA's affiliate down south, isn't enough. Similarly, TU wouldn't be enough either. There needs to be a way to get from say LOS to JNB or BOM without backtracking to LHR. If EY had a strong Africa network, they might fit.

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 14):
Sponsoring Arik would constitute organic growth as they are not ready to join any big alliance yet. BA used to be fairly active in recruiting franchises in Africa. I wish they would return to that.

Agreed 100%, but hasn't Arik struggled of late? I wonder if IAG could develop Arik.

China is another hole. Oneworld seems to do an okay job around China with QF, CX, and JL, and MH to join, but they need to get IN China. The only airline left with a strong brand power, to my knowledge, is Hainan.

Quoting PEET7G (Reply 9):
HU would be the much needed boost for OW's presence in China, however I am really curious how it would work out for Hainan as Hainan Group. I think CX would be furious to see HK in OW :P

You're right, but CX doesn't play nice with many.



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User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2351 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5122 times:

Quoting blink182 (Reply 19):
Agreed 100%, but hasn't Arik struggled of late?

Yeah, they have had some issues as of late, but it seems most of their problems can be solved with some better trained managers. That's where OW can come in. Arik recently orders two 748's, but what they really need are more 738's. W3 needs to create a more robust intra-Africa network to feed into their LOS hub.

Quoting blink182 (Reply 19):
If anything, oneworld should be targeting African carriers.

I would also like to see TAAG Angola recruited as well. I know they have had their issues in the past, but they seem to be evolving into a very credible carrier.



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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 21, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5057 times:

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 16):
I see no benefit in choosing ST over *A. That would be a bad move on G3's part.

I do not think LA-JJ will want G3 in oneworld. Therefore, G3 will remain independent or will choose SkyTeam.

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 16):
Nothing is ensured. The JV would obviously be dismantled in the event IAG won the bidding war. As things are currently set up, nothing prevents IAG from buying AZ.

Do you know that for a fact? I would not be surprised if Groupe AF-KL had call options to buy out the 75% equityholders of AZ in the future. Sure, IAG could come up with a tempting offer priced higher than the call option strike price, but I really do not see IAG attempting a thing like that.



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User currently offlinePEET7G From Hungary, joined Jan 2007, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4888 times:

Quoting blink182 (Reply 19):
EK, with its strong Africa network make EK a better fit for oneworld than EY.

As much as I like your idea from a FF traveler's point, yet I think it will be a cold day in hell when EK joins any of the 3 big alliances. They feel confident enough to stand alone in this battle  



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User currently offlineblink182 From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 1999, 5480 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4732 times:

Quoting PEET7G (Reply 22):
As much as I like your idea from a FF traveler's point, yet I think it will be a cold day in hell when EK joins any of the 3 big alliances. They feel confident enough to stand alone in this battle  

I wholeheartedly agree, and I never intended to suggest that EK would go to an alliance. I was just making the point that EY probably isn't the best fit for oneworld just because it has several partnerships, and that EK, despite being alone, probably offers more than EY could.



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User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3429 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4520 times:

oneworld's current members (AA, BA, IB, QF, JL, AY, MA, LA, RJ, S7 & CX), are soon to be complemented by MH, IT, and possibly JJ.

The network holes are gaping even after all the additions. Africa and China. HU is the only Chinese option left, and while there are quite a few unaligned African carriers, it is important that oneworld act fast and soon in order to avoid picking up what's left as is the case in China.

In an ideal world, given the co-operation between CX and CA, I would love to see CA jump ship, however, I fear the more likely scenario is CX going to Star making way for HU/ HK in oneworld.

Picking up AT or TU would be great additions. IAG focussing some serious resources on Comair would also be a welcomed complement. Meridianna Fly in Italy would be a nice (small) addition for IAG/ oneworld. Perhaps LAN picking up PLUNA or even waiting until LATAM is formed. FlyBE would also be a nice addition to oneworld. WestJet as an affiliate and all of Jetstar and their subsidiaries would make excellent affiliates. Perhaps if they could convince Aeromexico to jump ship to replace MX, but I don't see that happenning realistically. All in all, once oneworld can fill the gaps in Africa and China, they will be in a better position to focus on deeper integration for existing members as well as smaller less significant acquisitions such as Meridianna Fly and PLUNA.

Just MHO.
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25 mdavies06 : CX will vote down any proposal to get HU into OW because CX will not want HX siphoning off their HK corporate clients by being in the same alliance.
26 EddieDude : So BA + FlyBE in oneworld. Hmmm, not sure. And I really don't see AM jumping ship; DL just acquired a stake in AM's equity and has now the right to a
27 SomedayTrijet : I agree, I think both CZ and MU will remain in Skyteam. What Oneworld should worry about is the thing that if they don't get HU, there's basically no
28 Byrdluvs747 : Care to explain why not? BA codeshares with Flybe on the BA Connect routes, and now operates the Flybe Nordic JV with AY.
29 PEET7G : I might have slipped by the news, but what's the situation with MX now? I know they are out of daily operations, but they still are listed on the OW
30 LJ : Shanghai is already Skyteam member. Wasn't there a thread recently about Tunisair wanted to enter oneworld (after being rejected by Skyteam and Star)
31 BY738 : BA Connect ?
32 delta2ual : Ok, I was using the word "ensure" as in "to be certain or secure"; whereas I think you use it as "guaranteed". They are both correct definitions. At
33 Byrdluvs747 : The latest I've read is that the govt(Mexico) has given them permission to start up some charter flights. Not sure what aircraft will be used. BA Con
34 smi0006 : But they compete so much with CX, BA JL and QF between Asia and Europe, not to mention IT and MH. I can't see anyone welcoming a Gulf Carrier into an
35 qf002 : Maybe not one of the big three (EK, EY and QR) but what about carriers like GF, who are just on the brink of starting to grow again? GF barely steps
36 EddieDude : I think this is not accurate. There were notes on the press that perhaps if MX were to be rescued and recapitalized, its future would be doing charte
37 Byrdluvs747 : I don't see why not. We're not talking about BA buying BE, just Flybe joining the alliance. A good number of routes are already codeshared with BA al
38 EddieDude : Well, by that token, why does FlyBE contribute to the alliance that makes them an interesting candidate. They might be interesting to BA, but to onew
39 PEET7G : Pretty sad for MX, does a charter operator have any place within OW anymore? How about the rumors around LAN...is there any way for LAN to come and r
40 EddieDude : Doubt it. I don't think there are any rumors. LA will not make a bid for MX. Mexican law limits foreign ownership of a commercial passenger airline t
41 Byrdluvs747 : I wouldn't say that Flybe provides value to every single OW member airline, but based on their route map I can see the value they would provide to UK
42 EddieDude : I frankly think that, if it comes to adding more carriers, oneworld should plug holes in its global routemap (e.g., Africa) than add marginal capacity
43 SCL767 : There aren't any rumors since LAN is not interested in entering the Mexican domestic market in the next few years. LAN is focused on its Chilean, Col
44 qf002 : Doesn't seem to be an issue for JQ (though they are technically not a member, but are oddly part of certain fares and other bits and pieces).
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