type-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4355 posts, RR: 20 Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 32404 times:
I can't see enough detail in the photos, but it seems like it's a modified livery. I hope it's not another "EuroWhite" job. No gold stripe down the side. I couldn't see what was on the tail...
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RoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 8754 posts, RR: 52 Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 32365 times:
Quoting type-rated (Reply 1): I can't see enough detail in the photos, but it seems like it's a modified livery. I hope it's not another "EuroWhite" job. No gold stripe down the side. I couldn't see what was on the tail...
It's not fully painted. 787s rollout white, but not painted in the airline schemes except for the rudder.
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n53614 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 229 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 32094 times:
as739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 5820 posts, RR: 23 Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 31998 times:
The article states the it has not been painted. Read the end of the second paragraph.
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ATLflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 710 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 31625 times:
Still no info on economy seat pitch? Aeromexico had a seat map with a similar configuration, 42J, 183Y and their J had 72 inches of pitch and 34-35 inches in Y at 9-abreast.
UA will have only 36J with probably 60 inch pitch, so what are they doing with the extra space? E+ will probably be 35" pitch with E 31-32" pitch. This is the only info that seems to suggest it could be 8-abreast as apposed to 9.
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16264 posts, RR: 52 Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 31072 times:
CO/UA were to take six 787s in 2012, apparently they now expect five.
AA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5341 posts, RR: 11 Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 31047 times:
9-abreast has been confirmed by CO. Sadly.
I expect pitch to be in line with the rest of the fleet, which is predominantly a tight 31".
RoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 8754 posts, RR: 52 Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 30862 times:
Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 7): 9-abreast has been confirmed by CO. Sadly.
I expect pitch to be in line with the rest of the fleet, which is predominantly a tight 31".
32'' / 35''
[Edited 2011-10-13 14:31:43]
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FriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4009 posts, RR: 6 Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 30665 times:
Quoting STT757 (Reply 6): CO/UA were to take six 787s in 2012, apparently they now expect five.
And also not see the first one until after July 1st. Does it really take 8 months to paint and install an interior, Boeing?
American 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3322 posts, RR: 14 Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 30613 times:
Quoting n53614 (Reply 3): Will United's 787s be 787-822s or -824s?
I was asking myself the same question.
I'd say probably both. 25 of each. It says in the article whose link is posted above that United and Continental each ordered 25 units separately prior to the merger. Although there is one holding company, the two airlines still operate as two independent carriers. Next year United and Continental's operations will be integrated into one single company, one airline. By then only the number 22 will be used as a customer number.
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FriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4009 posts, RR: 6 Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 30556 times:
Quoting American 767 (Reply 10): I'd say probably both. 25 of each. It says in the article whose link is posted above that United and Continental each ordered 25 units separately prior to the merger. Although there is one holding company, the two airlines still operate as two independent carriers. Next year United and Continental's operations will be integrated into one single company, one airline. By then only the number 22 will be used as a customer number.
If schedule holds it will be one airline as of 11/11/11, well before first delivery. I feel like UA would want to be consistent and not have a single -824 and a whole bunch of -822s...but who knows.
United787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2347 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 30501 times:
Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 9): And also not see the first one until after July 1st. Does it really take 8 months to paint and install an interior, Boeing?
It sounds like the 787s coming off the line still don't reflect all of the changes to the design made during testing phase so they still need quite a bit of "change incorporation and re-work".
Does anyone know when the first 787 will come off the line actually complete, or as complete as planned?
According to this website http://nyc787.blogspot.com/ there are about 35 other "completed" 787s undergoing "change incorporation and re-work" which doesn't include the 6 test aircraft and the 2 aircraft that are in final preps for delivery to ANA.
ATLflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 710 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 30382 times:
Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 7):
9-abreast has been confirmed by CO. Sadly.
I expect pitch to be in line with the rest of the fleet, which is predominantly a tight 31".
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What are they going to do with all the extra space then compared to the Aeromexico set map? Seems if they have less pitch and seats in J and less pitch in Y they will have quite a bit of extra room...
rdh3e From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 1063 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 30326 times:
Quoting ATLflyer (Reply 13): What are they going to do with all the extra space then compared to the Aeromexico set map? Seems if they have less pitch and seats in J and less pitch in Y they will have quite a bit of extra room...
747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3301 posts, RR: 2 Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 30002 times:
UA was the first operator of 767s, then they was the first operator of 777, and now thank to the CO merger, they are the first operator of 787 in North America, there must be something with this UA and big Boeing twins thing.
ATLflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 710 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 29866 times:
Quoting rdh3e (Reply 14): Quoting ATLflyer (Reply 13):
What are they going to do with all the extra space then compared to the Aeromexico set map? Seems if they have less pitch and seats in J and less pitch in Y they will have quite a bit of extra room...
Economy plus takes a bit of room.
Not if ALL of Aeromexico's economy will be 34-35". Only 7 rows of United will be this and a smaller J, 42 vs 36.
American 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3322 posts, RR: 14 Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 26586 times:
Quoting 747400sp (Reply 15): UA was the first operator of 767s, then they was the first operator of 777, and now thank to the CO merger, they are the first operator of 787 in North America,
And the first operator of 727 also.
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gdg9 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 477 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 26135 times:
Quoting n53614 (Reply 3): Will United's 787s be 787-822s or -824s?
I would guess -824s since the merged carrier will retain the Continental Part 121 certificate for commercial flights; the United Part 145 certificate will be kept for repair station operations.
poLOT From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 1502 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 25898 times:
I always thought the codes was just an internal thing Boeing comes up with. Does it really matter if bought who, what certificate is used, when they are ordered, when they will be deliverred etc? Couldn't Boeing, if it really wanted to, just make up a whole new code for UA/CO if it really wanted to?
People here always make it sound like the Boeing codes are something set by the FAA and that there are certain rules and guidelines that MUST be followed...
United1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5338 posts, RR: 8 Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 25332 times:
Quoting gdg9 (Reply 19): I would guess -824s since the merged carrier will retain the Continental Part 121 certificate for commercial flights;
While I have not idea if they will be a 822 or 824 and your guess is as good as any.... the surviving certificate is irrelevant.
AzoresLover From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 744 posts, RR: 8 Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 24028 times:
I believe the first 727 flight was with Eastern Airlines on Feb 1, 1964. If I remember correctly, United did get the first delivery aircraft, but Eastern actually flew the first passenger revenue flight out of Miami heading up the east coast.
One thing I remember from news at the time...the 727 was the first jet to enter service less than one year after it's first flight. I think the first flight was Feb 9, 1963, with the first revenue flight as noted above. I'm pretty sure of the first revenue date, but I may be off by a day or two regarding the first flight in 1963.
[Edited 2011-10-13 18:42:17]
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tdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80 Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 22090 times:
Quoting United787 (Reply 12): Does anyone know when the first 787 will come off the line actually complete, or as complete as planned?
Never. Change incorporation happens throughout the life of a fleet (A320's and 737's are still rife with them). The change incorporation process always lags production, so what pops off the end of the assembly line is never the latest-and-greatest design. The 787 is not at all unique in this regard.
Quoting poLOT (Reply 20):
I always thought the codes was just an internal thing Boeing comes up with.
They are.
Quoting poLOT (Reply 20): Does it really matter if bought who, what certificate is used, when they are ordered, when they will be deliverred etc?
No.
Quoting poLOT (Reply 20): Couldn't Boeing, if it really wanted to, just make up a whole new code for UA/CO if it really wanted to?
Yes.
Quoting poLOT (Reply 20): People here always make it sound like the Boeing codes are something set by the FAA and that there are certain rules and guidelines that MUST be followed...
They're not. They're just numbers. Boeing could call the next 787 off the line a "787-8Fizzing Whizzbat 6000" and that's what would go on the paper.
727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5723 posts, RR: 20 Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 21688 times:
Nope, you're right. Actually, Feb 9 was first day flight of 747, & 777(?)
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25 United787: My post of 5 hours ago is already out of date. 2 Aircraft have now been delivered to ANA and 1 aircraft is in final preps for delivery! That makes se
26 Gunsontheroof: Given the fact that (barring the merger) this would have been a CO bird and the fact that UA can't seem to stick with a livery/wouldn't have received
27 Max Q: As stated, this is a Continental Aircraft inherited by United.
28 aviationweek: The slip is attributed to a production issue.
29 NZ107: Any idea if UA will honour the routes which CO had already picked ahead of the merger such as IAH-AKL?
30 aircanada014: wow congrats to our Star Alliance partner she looks mighty beauty...can't wait for AC to get theirs
31 UA933: How much will UA's 787s still be overweigt?
32 Gunsontheroof: IAH-AKL and IAH-LOS are still slated to be the first UA 787 routes insofar as I'm aware. That could change, of course...
33 MadameConcorde: You will be soon be able to fly on the beautiful blue and white ANA 787. Come fly with me on the 787 Dreamliner. Share the experience on the first tr
34 STT757: IAH-AKL will be the first International route for UA's 787s, their first routes will most likely be domestic flights for a couple months. When CO too
35 washingtonian: Yup. I wonder what domestic routes it will go on. Probably something symbolic like IAH-ORD or EWR-SFO, etc. To signify the merged airline.
36 United1: There is a rumor of a rumor (yeah I know take that with a grain of salt) that EWR-ICN will be the next overseas 787 route after IAH-AKL and that IAH-
37 washingtonian: It's the biggest hole in Asia from their global NYC hub, so not surprising. Maybe after these two routes, some of the other hubs will get some love
38 skytony: Does anybody know which engines are going under the engines? GE or Rolls?
40 works4boeing: We've all seen the pics of Paine Field with 787 parked all over the place. All of those other airplanes are going to go through Change in Corp. befor
41 THEBATMAN: I'm pretty sure they will be designated -822s because by the time they take delivery, UA and CO will be on a single operating certificate, therefore
42 United1: Again your guess is as good as any but whos certificate they are operating under is irrelevant to Boeing. They are simply internal numbers to Boeing.
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