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CZ's A380 Only For Domestic Routes?  
User currently offlineGonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1992 posts, RR: 2
Posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 12140 times:

During an interview in the handover ceremony for their first A380 at Tolouse, the chairman of CZ stated that they will only use the aircraft in the domestic routes between Shanghai, Beijing and Guangzhou.
Later he said "the A380 will help us to improve our competitiveness on international routes"....

Can someone please clarify how, when and where this airline will use the A380 ??

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...uthern-receives-first-a380-363431/


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31240 posts, RR: 85
Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 12131 times:
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Quoting Gonzalo (Thread starter):
Can someone please clarify how, when and where this airline will use the A380?

CZ will need time to familiarize pilots, cabin crew and ground staff with the plane, so the easiest way to do that is fly a lot of short hops. That way, when they receive additional planes, everyone is ready for long-haul missions.

SQ did the same (SIN-SYD) as did AF (CDG-LHR) with their first A380 before they sent them on long-haul missions.


User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 12014 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
SQ did the same (SIN-SYD)

SIN-SYD is nearly 450 miles longer than JFK-LHR ... that's a fair bit more than a "short hop", but your point holds for AF


User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1517 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 11965 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
as did AF (CDG-LHR) with their first A380 before they sent them on long-haul missions.

AF was already operating its A380 on long-haul routes before it rostered the super jumbo for LHR-CDG. But, I agree, the idea of LHR-CDG was to speed up crew training and showcase its long-haul product to the UK market.


User currently online330lover From Belgium, joined Jul 2008, 598 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 11895 times:

On their website, they show a seat map of the 380 with 4 classes. So far nothing strange.

But then they call them: Economy Class, Premium Economy, First Class and Luxurious First Class...
What's wrong with the normal Business Class?



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10923 posts, RR: 37
Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 11820 times:

I looked at the ceremony on the Airbus site this morning thinking of the Singapore Airlines delivery 4 years ago.

The only words in French during the ceremony were from the Chinese ambassador to the country in absolutely perfect French without any accent. He said "We welcome the first China Southern A320". I almost fell off my chair!

 

The good man probably knows very little about airplanes.
Tom Enders will be flying to Beijing on board the new aircraft along with the China Southern team and crew.

They really have showy handovers in Toulouse.

I much preferred Everett with the 787 it was so nice and simple and real with the rain and all the Boeing staff wearing the blue and white 787 scarves.

Wishing the China Southern brand new A380 a safe and happy flying career

  



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User currently online330lover From Belgium, joined Jul 2008, 598 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 11706 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 5):
We welcome the first China Southern A320

Well, the difference between "trois cents quatre-vingts" and "trois cents vingt"
is only "quatre".
Clearly a lapsus if you ask me  



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User currently onlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7614 posts, RR: 42
Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 11569 times:

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 2):
SIN-SYD is nearly 450 miles longer than JFK-LHR ... that's a fair bit more than a "short hop", but your point holds for AF

KE did that too: ICN-HKG before sending the superjumbo to JFK.



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User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4471 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11206 times:

Quoting 330lover (Reply 4):

But then they call them: Economy Class, Premium Economy, First Class and Luxurious First Class...
What's wrong with the normal Business Class?

Business class probably doesn't sound classy enough for CZ...

Quoting Gonzalo (Thread starter):

Can someone please clarify how, when and where this airline will use the A380 ??

As mentioned before on Anet, CDG will be the first international destination.


User currently offlinejayeshrulz From India, joined Apr 2007, 1029 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 10785 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
SQ did the same (SIN-SYD)

SIN-KUL you mean  



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User currently offlinebonusonus From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 10641 times:

I wonder if we will see CZ putting an A380 on their LAX flight any time soon.
I also heard a rumor that they are looking into starting JFK service. How much autonomy do Chinese airlines have for the routes they choose (since they are all owned by the government)? Since China Eastern and Air China both fly to JFK, I could see CZ not being allowed to fly there.

Anyone have details?


User currently offlinewn700driver From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 8005 times:

Quoting 330lover (Reply 4):

But then they call them: Economy Class, Premium Economy, First Class and Luxurious First Class...
What's wrong with the normal Business Class?

Well, it's accurate at any rate. Few companies (well, responsible ones anyway) still spring for "business" class anyway these days, so that name is less accurate than ever.


User currently offlinegoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1854 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7799 times:

CZ said CDG was a likely A380 destination.

User currently offlinemdavies06 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2009, 386 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6041 times:

One of the original use of the A380 was 'suppose' to be for the Beijing Olympics (yes, back in 2008). In any case, looking at the current CZ network across the board in terms of frequency and capacity, A380 on any of their existing long haul route equates to a massive jump in capacity. CAN is still an emerging hub and the premium market for long haul flights ex-CAN does not support A380. Incidentally I think EK may be able to do it at DXB-CAN because it can probably maintain the route just on a single daily and that could be an A380, but I doubt CZ can fly it anywhere ex-CAN because using A380 would put too much emphasis on capacity and sacrificed frequency.

However, they are right to put them to SHA, PVG and PEK - those are the busiest routes in their network. I think they should consider flying them to ICN, NRT as well. I think these two markets can support the A380 from CAN.


User currently offlineFSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 756 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6007 times:

Quoting bonusonus (Reply 10):
I also heard a rumor that they are looking into starting JFK service.

I would think that would be a 787 route.



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9940 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5453 times:

AMS was also mentioned as one of CZ's A380 destination, I remember at the time it was even considered to be their first European A380 destination. Now that CDG is also a potential A380 destination I don't know how much of a chance AMS will have at receiving the CZ A380. AMS really doesn't have any luck with the A380 as MH's plans for the A380 is also uncertain with them not joining SkyTeam. At least that is the latest I read.

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User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 3027 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5399 times:
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Quoting 330lover (Reply 6):
Well, the difference between "trois cents quatre-vingts" and "trois cents vingt"
is only "quatre".
Clearly a lapsus if you ask me  

Why does french not have a word for eighty (80) but rather say four twenties ?


User currently offlinesmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5399 times:

Any photos of the CZ interior? CZ really have a massive way to go back of house before they will truly be able to capitalize on CAN as a hub... Their IT systems are atrocious!

I wish CZ the best of luck in establishing CAN as an international hub, but I really do feel they need to pause and reorganize before the continue with their current rapid expansion!

The question was brought up above, how much autonomy do Chinese airlines enjoy, and how much do they compete against each other? Valid question with a no doubt fascinating answer!!

Just like CA and CX CZ Has been hiring Australian pilots for their routes out of Australia due to pilot shortages in China has this been happening else where in their international network?


User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 3027 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5385 times:
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Quoting mdavies06 (Reply 13):

One of the original use of the A380 was 'suppose' to be for the Beijing Olympics (yes, back in 2008). In any case, looking at the current CZ network across the board in terms of frequency and capacity, A380 on any of their existing long haul route equates to a massive jump in capacity. CAN is still an emerging hub and the premium market for long haul flights ex-CAN does not support A380. Incidentally I think EK may be able to do it at DXB-CAN because it can probably maintain the route just on a single daily and that could be an A380, but I doubt CZ can fly it anywhere ex-CAN because using A380 would put too much emphasis on capacity and sacrificed frequency.

However, they are right to put them to SHA, PVG and PEK - those are the busiest routes in their network. I think they should consider flying them to ICN, NRT as well. I think these two markets can support the A380 from CAN.

The CAAC will determine where these birds go.

Although there are several colours on the outside these Chinese airlines are still state controlled !


User currently offlineHiJazzey From Saudi Arabia, joined Sep 2005, 872 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5242 times:

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 16):
Why does french not have a word for eighty (80) but rather say four twenties ?

In some countries they do. They call it "huitante".


User currently onlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7614 posts, RR: 42
Reply 20, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 3 days ago) and read 5058 times:

In Switzerland I think. In Quebec and Belgium it is also quatre-vingt.

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 17):
and how much do they compete against each other?

I am not entirely sure, but it seems the CZ and MU cooperation goes beyond simply being in the same alliance. I think they are working very closely now in the domestic market, but hopefully someone more knowledgeable of the situation can tell us.



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User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 3027 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4887 times:
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Quoting EddieDude (Reply 20):
I am not entirely sure, but it seems the CZ and MU cooperation goes beyond simply being in the same alliance. I think they are working very closely now in the domestic market, but hopefully someone more knowledgeable of the situation can tell us.

Internal fares are largely set by the CAAC and as I said beyond the paint outside they are essentially still just regional divisions .

There are just a few small independent carriers and these still need CAAC approvals on their buying/leasing and route network.
As soon as they get big enough the CAAC sets off another round of consolidations.

Make no mistake Chinese aviation is still quite a long way from being a truly market driven competitive and commercial environment.


User currently onlineAustrianZRH From Austria, joined Aug 2007, 1397 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4493 times:

Quoting HiJazzey (Reply 19):
They call it "huitante".

Isn't it octante and nonante as opposed to huitante and neufante?



WARNING! The post above should be taken with a grain of salt! Furthermore, it may be slightly biased towards A.
User currently offlinecarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2975 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4075 times:

Quoting wn700driver (Reply 11):
Few companies (well, responsible ones anyway) still spring for "business" class anyway these days, so that name is less accurate than ever.

You'd be surprised to see the number of responsible (and non-responsible too) companies that send their employees to far-flung destination in comfort of first or business-class in Asia.

The term 'bizjet' can be as foreign a word in Asia similar to US domestic widebody service.  


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25550 posts, RR: 86
Reply 24, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4070 times:
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Here's an article about the first flight:

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/cndy/2011-10/18/content_13920864.htm

"After October, the aircraft will still operate on the two domestic routes until the airline's second A380 is delivered, which is expected to be in December. Then it will begin flying international routes. China Southern ordered five A380s, which will all be delivered by 2013."

mariner



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25 Post contains links B2443 : Agreed. Their websites (and CA/MU in that matter) are horrible. Still being updated but here's the inaugural flight PEK-CAN http://pic.feeyo.com/post
26 Post contains links B2443 : more Interior pix of China Southern 380 http://bbs.feeyo.com/posts/524/topic-0011-5244644.html
27 Gonzalo : Nice Pics !!! Thanks for posting. Rgds. G.
28 SEA : The reeds on the bulkheads are a really nice touch!
29 330lover : Agree with that. But their First Class suites look very plastic to me! Give me the new LX and LH First at all times.
30 smi0006 : In my opinion the uggliest least stylish, most cluttered looking A380 interrior to date. The reeds on the bulkheads are ugly and make the cabin look s
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