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EWR UA Gates 16 And 17  
User currently offlineWDBRR From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 610 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3373 times:

Just flew out of EWR on Southwest,
noticed that UA still uses gates 16 and 17.
gate 18 is a common shared (CUTE) gate.
gates 10, 14 and 15 are used by Southwest.
gates 11 and 12 are Air Canada, no gate 13.
Does anyone know what is going to happen
to gates 16 and 17 once the merger is completed?
I noticed Jetblue has 2 gates in the A2 concourse,
all the rest are CO/UA gates over there.
are they going to move Jetblue to 16 and 17?

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User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4410 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3329 times:

Since AA and JetBlue have some kind of agreement now (codesharing?) it might make sense to move JetBlue to A-3 to use some of those empty AA gates that are no longer used due to the drastic cutback in AA's service to EWR.

User currently offlinemcdu From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1448 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3107 times:

Gate 17 is the gate flight 93 departed from. It has significant UA history and I believe I read that UA was committed to keeping that gate under UA control.

User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2870 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3084 times:

I'm very interested in this too. Would it make sense to spilt post-merger United operations over Terminal C, Terminal A1 and A2? Does that shuttle bus from Gate C71 stop at Gates A16/A17 as well?

Quoting mcdu (Reply 2):
Gate 17 is the gate flight 93 departed from. It has significant UA history and I believe I read that UA was committed to keeping that gate under UA control.

Do they still have the flag over the jetway?



Shannon-Chicago
User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26354 posts, RR: 76
Reply 4, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3052 times:

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 3):

I'm very interested in this too. Would it make sense to spilt post-merger United operations over Terminal C, Terminal A1 and A2? Does that shuttle bus from Gate C71 stop at Gates A16/A17 as well?

1) PMCO has/had operations at A anyway.

2) Both airlines have lounges in A, and the better one is the PMUA lounge, which is huge.



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User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2870 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2946 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 4):
PMCO has/had operations at A anyway.

Yes but in Concourse A2. United has always been in A1 and don't you have to go through security to access each concourse?

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 3):
Does that shuttle bus from Gate C71 stop at Gates A16/A17 as well?

Just found out the shuttle does stop at A16/A17 without the need to reclear security as well as the A2 concourse.



Shannon-Chicago
User currently offlineORDBOSEWR From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 422 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2889 times:

Quoting WDBRR (Thread starter):
Does anyone know what is going to happen
to gates 16 and 17 once the merger is completed?

The merger has been completed. I am guessing you mean SOC and cross-fleeting is started.

It will be interesting to see what the new UA does. I am guessing you will see those gates turn into express gates and then they will move all of mainline to C.


User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2815 times:

Quoting ORDBOSEWR (Reply 6):
It will be interesting to see what the new UA does. I am guessing you will see those gates turn into express gates and then they will move all of mainline to C.

It's so odd to have 2 UA gates in A-1 where the rest of the ops are in A-2 and obviously terminal C. Maybe Southwest can make use of them.



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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5930 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2735 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 7):
Maybe Southwest can make use of them.

Doubtful WN has 3 gates already and as EWR is slot limited they have plenty of room to run their 18 departures a day.

Converting the gates to UAX (or swapping with B6) is more likely.



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16810 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2677 times:

The best scenario, outside of having all their flights operate from Terminal C, would be if UA could get DL to agree to a gate swap. DL moves to Terminal A and UA uses the B-1 concourse for UAX flights. This would bring the UAX flights that much closer to Terminal C, plus many of UA's International flights are already utilizing Terminal B for arrivals. This would be an easy connection for passengers from those flights to UAX. It would also allow UA to better coordinate lounges, ticketing, ground handling etc. with the Star carriers in Terminal B.

Over the years CO has talked with the Port Authority about building a walkway between Terminal B and Terminal C, similar to the connector between T2 and T3 at JFK. This would help during Airtrain outages which are far too frequent.



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User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2650 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 9):
The best scenario, outside of having all their flights operate from Terminal C, would be if UA could get DL to agree to a gate swap. DL moves to Terminal A and UA uses the B-1 concourse for UAX flights. This would bring the UAX flights that much closer to Terminal C, plus many of UA's International flights are already utilizing Terminal B for arrivals. This would be an easy connection for passengers from those flights to UAX. It would also allow UA to better coordinate lounges, ticketing, ground handling etc. with the Star carriers in Terminal B.

Very doubtful. DL has been in the process of rennovating B-1, including the former NW club plus some other cosmetic projects as well. There would have to be a huge incentive to move. And moving UAX to B because it's "closer" to C is not a solid reason to do so. UA/CO flights arrive in B but do not depart from there. This is because there is too much overflow for int'l arrivals and customs at C.

Realistically, CO should not have any aircraft arriving at B. They have their "global gateway" with their own customs facility for this.



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16810 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2627 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 10):
UA/CO flights arrive in B but do not depart from there

They used to, CO's London flights used to be jointly operated with VS, they shared ticket counters and the clubroom.

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 10):
Realistically, CO should not have any aircraft arriving at B. They have their "global gateway" with their own customs facility for this.

Obviously Terminal C needs another 20 gates, but for now they have to make do with their assets. UAX has several flights from Canada that are not pre-screened and use either the Terminal B or Terminal C FIS. If UAX were to relocate to Terminal B they could operate both the arrivals and departures at those gates.



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User currently offlinePacNWjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 957 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2607 times:

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 5):
Just found out the shuttle does stop at A16/A17 without the need to reclear security as well as the A2 concourse.

It's not the same shuttle bus that operates from Terminal C. I transferred through EWR just yesterday (October16). Arrived in Terminal C and took the terminal shuttle bus from the transfer point near Gate C71 over to Terminal A2 (the bus arrives at the ground level underneath Gate A20). Passengers headed to Terminal A1 have to go inside the waiting area and then wait for a separate shuttle bus to take them to Terminal A1 from Terminal A2. Apparently there is a common security checkpoint for Terminals A2 and A3, but A1 has its own security checkpoint which necessitates passengers coming on the shuttle bus from Terminal C either to clear security between A2 and A1 or take the shuttle bus from A2 to A1 as I did. Passengers who need to transit from C to A1 or vice-versa would be well-advised not to try and make a tight connection at EWR.


User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2586 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 11):
They used to, CO's London flights used to be jointly operated with VS, they shared ticket counters and the clubroom.

But the fact of the matter is, they don't anymore.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 11):
If UAX were to relocate to Terminal B they could operate both the arrivals and departures at those gates.

That wouldn't really be fair to the other international carriers that use B.



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16810 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2559 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 13):
That wouldn't really be fair to the other international carriers that use B.

It depends on what time of day.



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User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2391 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2466 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 10):
Realistically, CO should not have any aircraft arriving at B. They have their "global gateway" with their own customs facility for this.

They do, and it happens every day. I'm not sure how you reach the conclusion that they "realistically . . . should not" use B. The Terminal C facility is not large enough to accommodate all of CO's international arrivals between 1100 and 1600, so a considerable number of flights use Terminal B. Generally, those inbound aircraft with longer turn times will use B so as to permit shorter turns to use the C-3 gates.

Should CO cancel profitable international flights because it is somehow immoral or unfair to use Terminal B, a public facility?

Quoting STT757 (Reply 11):
They used to

For departures, yes, but as you know, CO frequently handles arriving international flights at B.


User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2444 times:

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 15):
Should CO cancel profitable international flights because it is somehow immoral or unfair to use Terminal B, a public facility?

Well how many arriving CO flights use B on a given day? Is it only a few or have they been using it as a crutch because they have clearly run out of space during peak times? It just seems like poor planning -- building a terminal only 9 years ago that CO has already seemingly outgrown for international arrivals.

I think we're overthinking this A-1 situation. We've already seen the schedule changes come into play and there is going to be slightly less RJ frequency at EWR going forward. They will probably be able to consolidate UAX express ops to A-2, move B6 to be with AA in A-3. And/or make A-3 AA and B6 and move US to A-1 to be next to AC and have some sort of star lounge take the place of the existing RCC. It's weird because A-1 used to be just AC and UA, and now it's bound to be some CUTE gate area for AC and WN.

I think the open gates in A-1 would be a perfect area for Virgin America to set up shop.



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User currently offlinemcdu From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1448 posts, RR: 17
Reply 17, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2415 times:

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 3):
Do they still have the flag over the jetway?

Yes, the flags are there at EWR and BOS. AA also keeps flags flying on their gates also from 9/11


User currently offlinedalfannyc From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2399 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 9):
The best scenario, outside of having all their flights operate from Terminal C, would be if UA could get DL to agree to a gate swap. DL moves to Terminal A and UA uses the B-1 concourse for UAX flights. This would bring the UAX flights that much closer to Terminal C, plus many of UA's International flights are already utilizing Terminal B for arrivals. This would be an easy connection for passengers from those flights to UAX. It would also allow UA to better coordinate lounges, ticketing, ground handling etc. with the Star carriers in Terminal B.

Aside from the rennovations/upgrades taking place a la Delta in Terminal B, DL also has international service (AMS) and would need to utilize Terminal B for international arrivals. It is also nice and cozy next to AF/AZ. I don't think there is a reasonable inncentive to move them over.   


User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2381 times:

Quoting dalfannyc (Reply 18):
Aside from the rennovations/upgrades taking place a la Delta in Terminal B, DL also has international service (AMS) and would need to utilize Terminal B for international arrivals. It is also nice and cozy next to AF/AZ. I don't think there is a reasonable inncentive to move them over.

That and DL stole AS gate and ground handling from A-1 as well. They now use DL gate 41.

So B-1 is the unofficial skyteam "concourse" with DL, AF, and AZ plus DL partner AS.



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User currently offlineapodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4234 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2381 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 16):

Well how many arriving CO flights use B on a given day? Is it only a few or have they been using it as a crutch because they have clearly run out of space during peak times? It just seems like poor planning -- building a terminal only 9 years ago that CO has already seemingly outgrown for international arrivals.

  

That is just what I don't get, were they always intending to keep using B for arrivals even with the new facility, or did they grow more than they though they would internationally when they built the facility. Something doesn't seem right here. Maybe a solution might be to have the 100 gates on the middle Pier in C somehow set up to feed into the customs hall. I believe those gates can still handle widebodies. And it can also stay handling domestic flights as well (Much like E in IAH)

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 10):

Very doubtful. DL has been in the process of rennovating B-1, including the former NW club plus some other cosmetic projects as well. There would have to be a huge incentive to move. And moving UAX to B because it's "closer" to C is not a solid reason to do so. UA/CO flights arrive in B but do not depart from there. This is because there is too much overflow for int'l arrivals and customs at C.

Realistically, CO should not have any aircraft arriving at B. They have their "global gateway" with their own customs facility for this.

The problem right now though is C is landlocked basically and could not be expanded without significant construction, which may require some property taking. Not likely to happen. And even if UA/CO gained gates in C and was able to combine ops there, then the problem you run into is a vacant terminal A, with basically only AC, AA, WN, and B6 left. None of those carriers would have an operation necessitating all those gates, and even if they were to add flights, the airport is already near saturation as it is, so can you say gridlock?

As for DL, I can give you an instant incentive. Since the PA also runs LGA and JFK, give DL some incentives relating to facilites at those airports (Both are going to be updated soon) and then see if DL won't move?


User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2391 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2358 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 16):

Well how many arriving CO flights use B on a given day? Is it only a few or have they been using it as a crutch because they have clearly run out of space during peak times? It just seems like poor planning -- building a terminal only 9 years ago that CO has already seemingly outgrown for international arrivals.

The FIS facility may have only been open for 9 years, but it was designed and built in the mid to late 1990s. CO constructed as many gates at C-3 as the space could handle, and with CO initially vacating the B terminal, that facility (only opened in 1996) was left well below capacity. Instead of carrying out expensive modifications to fundamentally redesign several gates on the west side of the C-2 concourse, which may well happen eventually, CO simply uses the B terminal for a dozen or so international arrivals at peak times of day. It's not much of an inconvenience for passengers and an effective use of resources at minimal cost.


User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2332 times:

Quoting apodino (Reply 20):
As for DL, I can give you an instant incentive. Since the PA also runs LGA and JFK, give DL some incentives relating to facilites at those airports (Both are going to be updated soon) and then see if DL won't move?

I think an incentive at JFK and LGA would be irrelevant, it would have to be EWR centric. DL is already getting a ton of favoritism at LGA with the slot swap deal, and JFK with the new terminal being built for them (as well as demolition of the world port, but that's for another thread.) As Joshua mentioned, DL is cozy with the other skyteam carriers in B-1. There are zero signs that they want to move. They took in AS last year, they opened the brand new security area, they are doing something (not sure what) to the ex-NW club space, refirbished the baggage claim area (looks brand new), various cosmetic improvements (new walkway, marble floors, lighting, benches) as well as adding new restaurants along the corridor in B-1. If the PA wanted to swing DL into moving somewhere, they had a magical opportunity in 2009 when DL and NW were integrating. That ship has sailed.

Yes, we all know DL is a small fry at EWR compared to LGA and JFK, but they seem to hold their own where they are.



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16810 posts, RR: 51
Reply 23, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2324 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 16):
We've already seen the schedule changes come into play and there is going to be slightly less RJ frequency at EWR going forward.

That was disproven, if you bothered to check the April schedules those temporary reductions are back.

[Edited 2011-10-17 10:51:19]


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User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2299 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 23):


That was disproven, if you bothered to check the April schedules those temporary reductions are back.

That is way too far in the future to go by -- likely they are dummy schedules. SOC might be achieved by then. If so, expect big changes equipment wise especially at EWR.



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25 STT757 : New terminal ?.. None of that work is DL, it's the Port Authority. DL is not contributing anything towards that, so there's no need for compensation.
26 STT757 : First your quoting a March schedule change to point out a service reduction by UAX, but when I point out those service reductions are reversed the fo
27 staralliance85 : UA is probably going to move out of A1 when they are fully integrated. That will probably be sometime in 2012. They will have Terminal C and A2 (Expre
28 STT757 : It's quiet in A-3 these days, so much so UAX is using two AA gates on A3. Is it that big a difference to instead of towing the aircraft between B2 an
29 TOMMY767 : I still can't believe COEX has been using AA gates. It's ridiculous. They can't just consolidate everything into A-2? Imagine traveling between conco
30 N62NA : Plenty of room. AA operates practically no flights to/from EWR these days. Wow, that's news to me. Amazing, but not at all surprised.
31 Post contains images CODC10 : Is every single thing CO does at EWR some kind of egregious affront to civility? I don't believe COEX is using the A-3 gates any longer, unless this
32 STT757 : Please read again:
33 TOMMY767 : Right....but where is the proof that this is going to be reality? And keeping in mind your plan would be at a complete inconvenience for Delta. The b
34 N62NA : STT757 hasn't given any proof, only expressed an opinion. I still think JetBlue should move into A-3 with AA, since they'll (soon?) be "cooperating"
35 STT757 : It's a theoretical discussion, hence my usage of the words "scenario" , "would" and "could". Wouldn't you call what DL is doing at JFK an inconvenien
36 WDBRR : I agree.....Jetblue has 2 gates (21 and 22) in A2 all the rest are CO/UA express. CO/UA has 2 gates in A1 (16 and 17). So it's an even swap...I am su
37 CODC10 : Has nothing to do with approval. VX can buy the slots if it wants to launch service.
38 ORDBOSEWR : This is way to easy for airlines and more importantly way to easy for the port authority. I do believe that UA 'owns' the A-1 satelite. I believe Sou
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