Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
16/10/2011 At FRA: B747 Ferrying Two Engines?  
User currently offlinedjb77 From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 243 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 2 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 11953 times:

Dear all,

My son and I were driving towards Frankfurt Airport last night at 19.10 on the A3 autobahn and we saw a B747 landing towards the west, directly overhead our car. As the sun was setting, the aircraft was illuminated against a very organge/red sky. Both I and my son were convinced that the landing B747 actually had six engines, i.e. it looked to be ferrying two additional engines under the wings.

As the sun was setting, light wasn't great and we couldn't identify the airline/cargo operator. Can anybody help us with additional information? Or were we simply "seeing things"...?

Many thanks
djb77

17 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8644 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (3 years 2 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 11877 times:

Quoting djb77 (Thread starter):
Both I and my son were convinced that the landing B747 actually had six engines

Are you sure it wasn't this, what you saw?

View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Oleg V. Belyakov - AirTeamImages



User currently onlinefalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6162 posts, RR: 29
Reply 2, posted (3 years 2 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 11699 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting airbazar (Reply 1):
Are you sure it wasn't this, what you saw?


That would be so sweet to see, especially landing or taking off.

I have seen photos of 707s that have had an spare engine engine under the wing. They were on a pod like thing, but had a cover over the intake.

I have never seen a 747 with any spare engines hanging off it.



My mug slaketh over on Falstaff N503
User currently offlineSonomaFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1888 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 2 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 11692 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

There's a photo in the database somewhere of Qantas ferrying an engine to JNB to replace one blown on take-off. I'm pretty sure it can ferry engines under each wing.

User currently offlineJetfixr757 From Jamaica, joined Jan 2006, 154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 2 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 11672 times:

70's, 8's 10's 74's all had the capabilty of an additional engine ferry pod on the inboard l/h side of the the left engines closest to the fuselage. Referred to as 5th pod on the 4 engine jets.
Jet.


User currently offlineandz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8463 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (3 years 2 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 11540 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

5th engine ferry was common on 747s but I don't believe they could carry 2.


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Matt Loewy


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Sunbird Photos by Don Boyd
View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Rolf Wallner



The one on the left is ferrying its own faulty engine from MIA to JNB after having one replaced. At the time it was the longest 5th engine ferry distance ever.

[Edited 2011-10-17 08:42:59]


After Monday and Tuesday even the calendar says WTF...
User currently onlinefalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6162 posts, RR: 29
Reply 6, posted (3 years 2 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 11198 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting andz (Reply 5):
5th engine ferry was common on 747s but I don't believe they could carry 2.

Can they all do that? Or is their some sort of optional equipment that is needed to do that?



My mug slaketh over on Falstaff N503
User currently offlineandz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8463 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (3 years 2 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 10971 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting falstaff (Reply 6):
Can they all do that? Or is their some sort of optional equipment that is needed to do that?

I believe.... 741 to 744 all had the capability. Of course, I also believe I will be corrected!



After Monday and Tuesday even the calendar says WTF...
User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6575 posts, RR: 35
Reply 8, posted (3 years 2 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 10867 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

They all can do that, but not on both wings, and the flight profile changes as there are different drag penalties. I believe ony certain crews were qualified. The AI 742 that crashed off the Irish coast due to a bomb, was carrying a 5th engine.

User currently onlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2980 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (3 years 2 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 10779 times:

Quoting Jetfixr757 (Reply 4):
70's, 8's 10's 74's all had the capabilty of an additional engine ferry pod on the inboard l/h side of the the left engines closest to the fuselage. Referred to as 5th pod on the 4 engine jets.
Jet.

Don't forget the L-1011!


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Christos Psarras




The last of the famous international playboys
User currently onlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2980 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (3 years 2 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 10682 times:

Just occured to me, could you have possibly seen an IL-80 "MAXDROME"? From a distance it could look a bit like a 6-engined 747.


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Stanislav Bazhenov




The last of the famous international playboys
User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5943 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (3 years 2 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 10188 times:

Quoting falstaff (Reply 2):
I have never seen a 747 with any spare engines hanging off it.

There are many in this very database; spend time there should you wish to see some.

Quoting falstaff (Reply 6):
Can they all do that? Or is their some sort of optional equipment that is needed to do that?

All of them had the mounting facilities on the left wing; because the engine isn't producing forward thrust, it's actually a much simpler mount than the actual hard-mounted engines on the aircraft. A special pylon is used to mate the engine's standard mounts to the simple screws in the wing.

There were no provisions to do this on the right wing, so it's unlikely that the aircraft the OP saw was a 747, unless there was an odd optical illusion.


User currently offlineCCA From Hong Kong, joined Oct 2002, 846 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (3 years 2 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 10025 times:

Not all 744s have the 5th pod ability as you can clearly see the where it attaches inboard of #2 engine and I've seen A/C without the necessary structure.


C152 G115 TB10 CAP10 SR-22 Be76 PA-34 NDN-1T C500 A330-300 A340-300 -600 B747-200F -200SF -400 -400F -400BCF -400ERF -8F
User currently offlineNWAROOSTER From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1149 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (3 years 2 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9446 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting CCA (Reply 12):

Not all 744s have the 5th pod ability as you can clearly see the where it attaches inboard of #2 engine and I've seen A/C without the necessary structure.

The fifth pop for carrying a spare engine is/was an option on the 747. A special nose cone is also mounted on the engine to reduce the ability of the engine to windmill. The fan blades are also secured so the engine can not windmill.
One interesting question is, is the 747-8 available with the 5th pod option? The 747-8 has a completely new wing.   



Procrastination Is The Theft Of Time.......
User currently offlineandrewtang From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 461 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (3 years 2 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9235 times:

Quoting CCA (Reply 12):
Not all 744s have the 5th pod ability as you can clearly see the where it attaches inboard of #2 engine and I've seen A/C without the necessary structure.

5th pod can only be used on 747 fitted with Rolls Royce or Pratt & Whitney engines and most 747 do not have the ability to fit a 5th pod because most airlines don't see the need to add this optional feature.

[Edited 2011-10-17 22:53:46]

User currently offlineFly-K From Germany, joined May 2000, 3162 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (3 years 2 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7030 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

AFAIK neither the AN225 nor the IL-80 were here in FRA recently (IL-80 never, I'd say).


Once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been...
User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25978 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (3 years 2 months ago) and read 3297 times:

Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 3):
There's a photo in the database somewhere of Qantas ferrying an engine to JNB to replace one blown on take-off. I'm pretty sure it can ferry engines under each wing.

Left wing only.

Quoting andz (Reply 7):
Quoting falstaff (Reply 6):
Can they all do that? Or is their some sort of optional equipment that is needed to do that?

I believe.... 741 to 744 all had the capability. Of course, I also believe I will be corrected!

At least on the 744 it was optional.


User currently offlineNWAROOSTER From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1149 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (3 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3144 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 16):
Quoting andz (Reply 7):
Quoting falstaff (Reply 6):
Can they all do that? Or is their some sort of optional equipment that is needed to do that?

I believe.... 741 to 744 all had the capability. Of course, I also believe I will be corrected!

At least on the 744 it was optional.

The fifth pod for ferrying an engine was optional on all 747 models. Northwest Airlines bought two 747-135s from National Airlines and had to have Boeing install the 5th pod hardware to ferry an engine.   



Procrastination Is The Theft Of Time.......
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
Two Air Algerie B772 Parked At FRA, Why? posted Thu May 1 2003 23:42:59 by Eddgge
Two Engines At LGA posted Tue Apr 16 2002 08:57:22 by BigPhilNYC
OAG Changes 10/7/2011: AA/DL/UA/US posted Tue Oct 4 2011 15:35:54 by enilria
AUA 767-300ER On Emergency Approach At FRA; 28.09. posted Wed Sep 28 2011 02:58:50 by Trijetsonly
LX A333 HB-JNB At FRA Wed. Morning - Why? posted Wed Aug 24 2011 02:06:01 by flyingalex
Condor 767 "incident" At FRA? posted Wed Jan 5 2011 04:41:11 by tomgib
Dreamlifter At FRA Today 28Nov10 posted Sun Nov 28 2010 10:48:45 by Speedbird128
DC-10 Parked At BWI? 737-100 In ATL? posted Sun Sep 5 2010 15:53:34 by delta777lr
Pan Am Clipper 747s At FRA - Video posted Mon Aug 9 2010 15:22:43 by BN747
EasyJet At FRA?! posted Fri Aug 6 2010 05:38:43 by Delta777Jet