enilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6137 posts, RR: 13 Posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4261 times:
WN filed a schedule extension last week. For schedule extensions to be useful to look at they have to be comparisons versus a prior period. Only a few carriers file their schedules that way, so I need to use a different method to review their schedules. In this case, I am showing FEB/MAR/APR 2012 vs. 2011. As usual the average number of departures per day for the month is shown. Fractions indicate non-daily operation or mid-month schedule changes.
FL ATL-ACY MAR 2>0 APR 2>0 MAY 2>0
FL ATL-AUA MAR 0.9>1.0 MAY 0.4>1.0
FL ATL-BKG MAR 1.0>1.7 APR 1.0>2
FL ATL-BOS APR 4>5
FL ATL-DEN MAR 3>2 APR 3>2 MAY 4>2
FL ATL-DFW MAR 6>0 APR 6>0 MAY 7>0
FL ATL-HOU MAR 6>3 APR 6>4 MAY 6>4
FL ATL-IAD MAY 4>3
FL ATL-LAS MAR 4>3 MAY 4>3
FL ATL-LGA MAR 8>9 APR 8>9
FL ATL-MDW MAR 7>4 APR 6>4 MAY 7>4
FL ATL-PHF MAR 4>1.3 APR 4>0 MAY 4>0
FL ATL-PHX MAR 3>2
FL ATL-PUJ APR 1.1>1.0
FL ATL-SFO APR 2>3 MAY 4>3
FL ATL-SJU APR 2>3
FL BOS-CAK APR 1.0>1.7
FL BOS-PHF MAR 1.0>0.3 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.9>0
FL BOS-RSW APR 2>1.3 MAY 0.2>1.0
FL BOS-SRQ APR 0.2>0.0
FL BUF-RSW APR 0.6>0.3
FL BWI-ATL MAR 7>4 APR 7>4 MAY 7>4
FL BWI-AUA MAR 0>0.3 APR 0>0.3 MAY 0>0.3
FL BWI-BDA APR 0.8>0.7
FL BWI-BOS MAR 7>5 APR 7>4 MAY 7>4
FL BWI-CLT APR 1.8>3 MAY 1.9>3
FL BWI-DFW MAY 0.9>0
FL BWI-LAX MAR 0.7>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.9>0
FL BWI-MBJ APR 1.3>1.1
FL BWI-MSY MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0
FL BWI-NAS MAR 0.6>1.0 APR 0.6>1.0 MAY 0.6>1.0
FL BWI-PWM APR 2>3
FL BWI-RSW MAR 2>3
FL BWI-SJU MAR 0.6>2 APR 1.9>2
FL BWI-TPA MAR 3>2
FL CAK-RSW APR 1.0>0.3
FL CMH-RSW APR 2>1.3
FL DAY-TPA APR 1.0>0.4 MAY 0.2>0.1
FL FNT-RSW APR 1.0>0.3
FL FNT-TPA APR 1.0>0.3
FL GRR-RSW APR 1.0>0.3
FL GRR-TPA APR 1.0>0.3
FL HPN-PBI APR 2>1.3
FL IND-LAS APR 0.7>0
FL IND-RSW APR 4>1.1 MAY 3>0.3
FL IND-SRQ APR 1.0>0.3
FL LGA-PHF MAR 1.8>0.6 APR 1.8>0 MAY 2>0
FL MCO-ABE MAR 1.0>2
FL MCO-BMI APR 0.6>0.4 MAY 0.6>0.3
FL MCO-BOS MAY 1.1>2
FL MCO-BUF MAR 1.0>1.7
FL MCO-BWI MAY 5>4
FL MCO-CMH APR 2>0.6 MAY 1.1>0
FL MCO-DFW MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0
FL MCO-IND APR 5>4
FL MCO-LGA MAR 0.3>1.5 APR 0.3>2 MAY 0.3>2
FL MCO-MBJ MAR 0.6>1.0 APR 0.6>1.0 MAY 0.6>1.0
FL MCO-MDT MAR 1.0>2
FL MCO-MDW APR 4>3 MAY 3>2
FL MCO-PHF MAR 1.0>0.3 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0
FL MCO-PHL MAY 4>3
FL MCO-PIT MAY 3>2
FL MCO-PWM APR 0.2>0.0
FL MCO-SJU MAR 3>4 APR 3>4
FL MCO-STL MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0
FL MCO-TYS APR 0.6>0.4 MAY 0.6>0.3
FL MDW-RSW APR 3>0.9 MAY 1.2>0
FL MKE-ATL APR 4>5
FL MKE-BOS APR 2>3
FL MKE-BWI MAY 1.8>0
FL MKE-CUN MAR 0>0.2 APR 0>0.1
FL MKE-FLL MAR 1.0>1.7
FL MKE-LAS MAR 3>2
FL MKE-MSP MAY 3>4
FL MKE-PHX MAY 1.1>2
FL MKE-RSW APR 4>1.7
FL MKE-SRQ APR 1.0>0.4 MAY 0.2>0.1
FL MKE-TPA APR 3>1.3
FL PIT-RSW APR 2>1.3
FL PIT-TPA MAR 1.0>1.7 APR 1.0>0.6
FL SJU-TPA MAR 0>1.9
FL TPA-SJU MAR 0>1.9 APR 1.7>2
WN ABQ-PHX MAR 9>8 APR 9>8 MAY 9>8
WN ATL-AUS MAR 0>2 APR 0>2 MAY 0>2
WN ATL-BWI MAR 0>4 APR 0>4 MAY 0>4
WN ATL-DEN MAR 0>2 APR 0>2 MAY 0>2
WN ATL-HOU MAR 0>3 APR 0>3 MAY 0>3
WN ATL-LAS MAR 0>0.7 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0
WN ATL-MDW MAR 0>4 APR 0>4 MAY 0>4
WN ATL-PHX MAR 0>0.7 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0
WN AUS-MDW APR 2>3 MAY 1.9>3
WN BDL-BNA MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0
WN BHM-PHX MAR 1.0>0.7
WN BHM-SDF MAR 1.5>0 APR 1.8>0 MAY 1.8>0
WN BNA-PVD MAY 1.0>0
WN BNA-RSW APR 0.8>0.3
WN BNA-SEA MAY 1.0>0
WN BOI-RNO MAR 1.9>0 APR 1.8>0 MAY 1.8>0
WN BOI-SEA MAR 1.8>0 APR 1.7>0 MAY 1.8>0
WN BOI-SLC MAR 1.8>0 APR 1.7>0 MAY 1.8>0
WN BOS-BWI APR 9>8 MAY 9>8
WN BOS-PHL MAR 8>0 APR 8>0 MAY 8>0
WN BUF-MCO MAY 3>4
WN BUF-MDW MAY 4>3
WN BUR-DEN MAR 0>2 APR 0>1.9 MAY 0>1.9
WN BUR-OAK MAR 13>14 APR 13>14
WN BUR-PHX MAR 8>7
WN BWI-CHS MAR 1.8>3
WN BWI-EWR MAR 0>3 APR 0>3 MAY 0>3
WN BWI-GSP MAR 1.2>1.9
WN BWI-ISP MAR 6>5 APR 6>5 MAY 6>5
WN BWI-JAN MAR 1.5>1.0 APR 1.8>1.0 MAY 1.8>1.0
WN BWI-MCO MAR 9>8 APR 10>8 MAY 9>8
WN BWI-MSY MAR 2.0>3 APR 2>3 MAY 2>3
WN BWI-PHX APR 4>3
WN BWI-PIT MAR 3>4 APR 3>4 MAY 3>4
WN BWI-RSW APR 3>2
WN CHS-MDW MAR 1.2>2
WN CLE-MCO APR 0.1>0.0
WN CMH-DEN MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0
WN CMH-MCO MAY 3>4
WN CMH-PHX APR 1.8>1.3
WN DEN-EWR MAR 0>3 APR 0>3 MAY 0>3
WN DEN-JAX MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0
WN DEN-LAX MAR 8>7 APR 8>7 MAY 8>7
WN DEN-MHT MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0
WN DEN-MKE MAR 0>2 APR 0>2 MAY 0>2
WN DEN-PIT MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0
WN DEN-PVD MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0
WN DEN-SNA APR 3>4 MAY 3>4
WN DTW-MCO APR 0.1>0.0
WN DTW-MDW MAR 7>6 APR 7>6
WN EWR-HOU MAR 0>1.8 APR 0>1.9 MAY 0>1.9
WN EWR-MDW MAR 0.9>6
WN EWR-PHX MAR 0>2 APR 0>2 MAY 0>2
WN EWR-STL MAR 0.3>2
WN FLL-ISP APR 3>2
WN FLL-JAX MAR 5>4
WN FLL-MDW APR 6>5
WN FLL-MHT MAR 0.1>1.0
WN FLL-PVD APR 3>1.3 MAY 2.0>1.0
WN FLL-TPA MAR 8>7
WN GEG-SEA MAR 3>0 APR 1.9>0 MAY 1.9>0
WN GSP-MDW MAR 1.2>2
WN HOU-HRL MAR 7>5 APR 7>5 MAY 7>5
WN HOU-MDW MAR 6>7
WN IND-TPA MAR 1.7>1.3
WN ISP-MCO MAR 5>4 APR 5>4 MAY 5>4
WN ISP-MDW MAR 3>2.0 APR 3>2 MAY 4>2
WN ISP-RSW APR 0.8>0.3
WN ISP-TPA MAR 3>2 APR 3>1.9
WN JAN-MDW MAR 1.5>1.0 APR 1.7>1.0 MAY 1.8>1.0
WN JAX-PHL MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0
WN JAX-TPA MAR 3>1.8 APR 3>2.0 MAY 3>1.9
WN LAS-MHT MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0.7
WN LAS-ONT MAR 8>6 APR 8>6 MAY 8>6
WN LAS-ORF MAY 1.0>0
WN LAS-PHX MAR 14>13 APR 14>13 MAY 14>13
WN LAS-SNA MAR 8>7 APR 8>7 MAY 8>7
WN LAX-OAK MAR 14>12 APR 14>12 MAY 14>12
WN LAX-PHX MAR 11>9 APR 11>9 MAY 11>9
WN MCI-SEA MAY 1.0>0
WN MCO-MDW APR 8>7
WN MCO-MHT APR 4>3
WN MCO-PHL MAR 6>5 APR 6>4
WN MCO-PHX APR 1.7>1.2
WN MCO-STL MAY 4>5
WN MDW-MHT MAY 4>3
WN MDW-RSW MAY 3>4
WN MHT-PHL MAR 4>0 APR 4>0 MAY 4>0
WN MHT-PHX MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0
WN MKE-STL MAR 0>2 APR 0>2 MAY 0>2
WN ONT-PHX MAR 8>6 APR 8>6 MAY 8>6
WN PBI-PHL APR 1.8>1.3
WN PHL-PHX MAR 1.6>1.1 APR 1.8>1.0
WN PHL-PIT MAR 6>0 APR 6>0 MAY 6>0
WN PHL-PVD MAR 4>0 APR 4>0 MAY 4>0
WN PHL-RDU MAY 4>3
WN PHX-PIT MAR 1.6>1.0 APR 1.8>1.0
WN PHX-PVD MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0
WN PHX-TPA MAR 1.5>1.0 APR 1.7>1.0
WN PIT-TPA MAR 3>1.9 APR 3>2.0
WN RNO-SJC MAR 3>2 APR 3>0.6 MAY 3>0
WN SAN-SJC APR 9>10 MAY 9>10
WN SAN-SMF MAR 11>10 APR 11>10 MAY 11>10
WN SAN-STL APR 1.0>0.3 MAY 1.0>0
WN SJC-SNA MAR 7>8 APR 7>8 MAY 7>8
FWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3177 posts, RR: 1 Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4199 times:
I wonder if this will motivate G4 to resume FWA-LAS? One of the biggest reasons they left the route in the first place was price pressure from a 3-way IND-LAS fare war between DL,FL, and WN. Now the trio is down to one (and even WN has cut capacity).
LV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 1814 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3768 times:
Quoting enilria (Reply 2): By my count, RSW loses 11 RTs in April? JEEZ.
Yeah, looks like RSW is going to lose big in this merger. Sadly I'm not really surprised by that. RSW-IND was like my little personal air shuttle for a while
Quoting enilria (Thread starter): WN LAS-MHT MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0.7
WN LAS-ONT MAR 8>6 APR 8>6 MAY 8>6
WN LAS-ORF MAY 1.0>0
WN LAS-PHX MAR 14>13 APR 14>13 MAY 14>13
WN LAS-SNA MAR 8>7 APR 8>7 MAY 8>7
Is this just a seasonal adjusment or a bad sign for LAS?
slcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2456 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3728 times:
Is ACY official toast? I really hope not March is still decently far away. Has Anyone heard anything from the airport on talks with southwest
SANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 4721 posts, RR: 15 Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3647 times:
The WN schedule extension into April and May was discussed here:
FL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1499 posts, RR: 12 Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3590 times:
BoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 2314 posts, RR: 7 Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3545 times:
WN is ending SJC-RNO? That leaves no carriers in that market. (RW did it with a DC9 many years ago).
I'd like to see AS/QX come in with SJC-RNO, SJC-SNA and SJC-SAN to give some competition on those routes and continue to build up AS's new unofficial SJC focus station.
B6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2767 posts, RR: 7 Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3525 times:
Quoting enilria (Thread starter): WN ISP-MCO MAR 5>4 APR 5>4 MAY 5>4
WN ISP-MDW MAR 3>2.0 APR 3>2 MAY 4>2
WN ISP-RSW APR 0.8>0.3
WN ISP-TPA MAR 3>2 APR 3>1.9
Poor ISP. WN moved in, built it up, and now is shrinking.
"If you do not learn from history, you are doomed to repeat it"
atrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5613 posts, RR: 54 Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3472 times:
Quoting enilria (Reply 2): The gutting of Florida begins...just I have been predicting...
Many of them, not all of them as you have shown, are being replaced by WN metal.
Example, FL axing STL-MCO in favor of WN adding an extra STL-MCO to make it 5 daily still.
Otherwise yes most of everything here is what was pasted in the link I created awhile back.
Another round of schedule extensions will be coming out November 14th which will cover the entire summer schedule.
Many of these are seasonal changes too, like STL-SAN, this will be coming back.
Alex
Good things come to those who wait, better things come to those who go AFTER it!
ScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6365 posts, RR: 34 Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3466 times:
Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 10): Poor ISP. WN moved in, built it up, and now is shrinking.
wnflyguy From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2011, 364 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3432 times:
From what I'm hearing depending on the November 7 pilot vote if it passes the next schedule update and release on November 14 for summer flying will have biggest schedule change ever for WN and FL. Enjoy wnfg
my post are my opinion only and not those of southwest airlines.
ScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6365 posts, RR: 34 Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3353 times:
Quoting wnflyguy (Reply 13): From what I'm hearing depending on the November 7 pilot vote if it passes the next schedule update and release on November 14 for summer flying will have biggest schedule change ever for WN and FL.
Seems like that would be awfully short notice to get the correct schedule developed based on the results of the vote, unless you think they'll prepare two different schedules.
FlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6049 posts, RR: 25 Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3227 times:
Quoting enilria (Reply 2):
The gutting of Florida begins...just I have been predicting...
Not totally...the big difference is that Easter happens much earlier in 2012 vs. 2011. The airlines always trim down the seasonal Florida stuff right after Easter. However, last year Easter was on April 24th meaning the airlines kept the seasonal Florida stuff through almost the entire month. In 2012, it's on the 8th of April...so the airlines cut back sooner.
These OAG posts are interesting and I appreciate you posting them, but you have to be careful when you analyze them out of context.
slcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2456 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2954 times:
Quoting FL787 (Reply 7):
WN announced that MLI, ACY, AVL, and PHF were ending weeks ago.
Im sorry to hear that I really hope ACY can get someone else in there
enilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6137 posts, RR: 13 Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2923 times:
Quoting atrude777 (Reply 11): Quoting enilria (Reply 2):
The gutting of Florida begins...just I have been predicting...
Many of them, not all of them as you have shown, are being replaced by WN metal.
? I show both the changes of WN and FL.
Quoting ScottB (Reply 14): Seems like that would be awfully short notice to get the correct schedule developed based on the results of the vote, unless you think they'll prepare two different schedules.
It's pretty easy to create two schedules.
Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 15): Not totally...the big difference is that Easter happens much earlier in 2012 vs. 2011. The airlines always trim down the seasonal Florida stuff right after Easter. However, last year Easter was on April 24th meaning the airlines kept the seasonal Florida stuff through almost the entire month. In 2012, it's on the 8th of April...so the airlines cut back sooner.
These OAG posts are interesting and I appreciate you posting them, but you have to be careful when you analyze them out of context.
These are real reductions in flying. You are saying that the reason is that Easter is earlier and that may be true, but it is still a reduction and there is no offsetting increase in FEB or MAR so regardless it is a lot fewer seats than last year. I don't think that is out of context.
atrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5613 posts, RR: 54 Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2842 times:
Quoting enilria (Reply 17):
? I show both the changes of WN and FL.
Oddly, the blog mentioned that if a route lost FL flying, it would be replaced by WN Metal, like the example I copied here, MCO-STL loses FL, so WN adds another flight.
Quoting enilria (Reply 17):
? I show both the changes of WN and FL.
grain From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 83 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2842 times:
With RSW , we get seasonal flying starting around late January to early February. Like said above, April is when they chop everything back down.
FL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1499 posts, RR: 12 Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2678 times:
MKE-BWI actually already had WN operating thrice daily in addition to FL's twice daily so in this case it's just FL dropping service with no corresponding increase.
apodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3641 posts, RR: 6 Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2359 times:
PHX does seem to be shrinking quite a bit. Though it is noteworthy to see EWR at 2X out of there, which is very curious considering that is one of the EWR routes that already has two carriers on it (US and CO/UA)
KELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 4 Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2299 times:
Quoting ScottB (Reply 12): Poor ISP. WN moved in, built it up, and now is shrinking.
You can thank B6 @ JFK for that.
Goes way beyond that. They'd be fools not to take advantage of the LGA slots they got from TZ's bankruptcy. Besides, where is the typical New Yorker going to want to fly from, ISP or LGA?
Celebrating the birth of KELPkidJR on August 5, 2009 :-)
FlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6049 posts, RR: 25 Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1984 times:
Quoting enilria (Reply 17): These are real reductions in flying. You are saying that the reason is that Easter is earlier and that may be true, but it is still a reduction and there is no offsetting increase in FEB or MAR so regardless it is a lot fewer seats than last year.
I don't debate that it is fewer seats, however I debate your logic that WN is "gutting Florida" when all they did was reduce capacity in one month because of a shift in the holiday. If they were truly "gutting Florida", they would have correspondingly cut March as well, but they did not.
enilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6137 posts, RR: 13 Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1580 times:
Quoting atrude777 (Reply 18): MKE-BWI is another route that switches from one airline to another which your OAG does not show yet. It must not be filed.
Quoting FL787 (Reply 20): MKE-BWI actually already had WN operating thrice daily in addition to FL's twice daily so in this case it's just FL dropping service with no corresponding increase.
FL dropping of MKE-BWI is shown above. There is just no increase on WN.
Quoting grain (Reply 19): Like said above, April is when they chop everything back down.
Yes, but this is a year over year comparison.
Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 23): I don't debate that it is fewer seats, however I debate your logic that WN is "gutting Florida" when all they did was reduce capacity in one month because of a shift in the holiday. If they were truly "gutting Florida", they would have correspondingly cut March as well, but they did not.
Yes and no. As we know, with each further month the integration of strategy moves further along. Why was ACY dropped in JAN and not NOV? APR's combined schedule was more evolved than MAR. The Summer schedule will be even more so.
25 sspontak: Hopefully WN adds ISP-ATL flights to make up for the shrinking of ISP. I would certainly use WN for my ATL business and connections beyond ATL.
26 SANFan: Except there are many saying (on other threads about ATL and WN) that ATL will NOT be a connecting hub for WN but more of an O&D station. IF that
27 FlyPNS1: Not sure, though ACY was a subsidy market, so that may have been a driving factor. Based on what? The only thing I noticed was the seasonal cuts driv
28 enilria: My point is that with each schedule change they are slowly moving toward whatever the ultimate vision is. For example, we know they want to shrink AT
29 HPRamper: I would think there would be enough O&D between Long Island and ATL to support at least one flight.
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