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QF Labor Dispute: Grounding 747s?  
User currently offlinemattnrsa From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 393 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5256 times:

http://atwonline.com/operations-main...ntas-ceo-no-end-sight-dispute-1017

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Qantas (QF) is expected to ground its 747s and cut back on international flights this week as the industrial crisis deepens. CEO Alan Joyce said Sunday the situation is “getting worse and there is no end in sight to the dispute.

I didn't realize it was getting so bad. Any word on which routes would be suspended? Would the Australian government step in to bring an end to the dispute?



[Edited 2011-10-17 18:28:31]

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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2987 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4932 times:

Probably no single route -- maybe one or two weekly QF107's (the second SYD-LAX), QF29 (MEL-HKG-LHR) or more likely down gauges to A330s on routes like SYD-NRT/HKG.

User currently offlinerowan1mck From Australia, joined Aug 2011, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4902 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 1):
down gauges to A330s on routes like SYD-NRT/HKG

Is there much spare capacity in the A330 fleet at the moment?


User currently offlineJackbr From Australia, joined Dec 2009, 666 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4896 times:

I saw elsewhere they've been inclined to put domestic A332s on international flights

User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5671 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4821 times:

Quoting mattnrsa (Thread starter):
Would the Australian government step in to bring an end to the dispute?

The Prime Minister told both parties, in the last week, she would intervene if they didn't get their act together, on national interest grounds.

Gemuser



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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2987 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4548 times:

Quoting rowan1mck (Reply 2):
Is there much spare capacity in the A330 fleet at the moment?

There's enough room in the A333 fleet for QF to bring A333's to MEL-HKG from next March without any other changes so I'd say so for limited operations (dependent on maintenance and current schedules of course).


User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4548 times:

Talking of stupid, what price Qantas telling the press that some 737s were parked due to lack of mx only to have the union show that at least one was parked because it was to be sold. Way out of Julia's class for stupidity.

Where is the mx on the 747s being done? The engines presumably are RR, ie not Aus.


User currently offlineKiwiTEAL From Australia, joined Nov 2005, 253 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4537 times:

See my other post regarding the two 767-3's - they have been flying, but are next up for the resale/chop!

User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4922 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4466 times:

Quoting KiwiTEAL (Reply 8):
See my other post regarding the two 767-3's - they have been flying, but are next up for the resale/chop!

What's interesting is the fact VH-OGF has been sold to ATI freight services... Grounding planes... Please!

EK413



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User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1761 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4439 times:

Regarding the possible grounding of 747s, is it the whole 747 fleet or just some aircrafts?

[Edited 2011-10-18 00:45:29]

User currently offlinerowan1mck From Australia, joined Aug 2011, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4112 times:

I don't buy the union's line on those 737s... sure at least one is for sale but for now it's required in service & is unavailable as it's MX is behind. Both sides of this are being childish but there's no need to play on the general public's lack of technical understanding.

User currently onlinepar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4063 times:

So if I read the linked arrticle correctly, QF is 60,000 hours behind in maintenance, requiring it to ground 747's and cancel 400 flights.
I was unaware that the 747 was that critical, being a long haul a/c I did not think it would reach that number of flights. So who does maintenance for the non-747 fleet rendering them immune to this action?


User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2987 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4034 times:

I'm going to repost this since it has been deleted for whatever obscure reasons the mods have...

There is plenty of slack in the 744 fleet at the moment -- I believe any 'groundings' (wrong word really) would be purely political in the 744 fleet. Flights would not need to be cancelled or rescheduled because of a 'grounding'.


User currently offlineTK773ER From Australia, joined Jun 2010, 170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3954 times:

60,000 hours behind maintenance how safe is the 747 fleet ?

User currently offlineOzGlobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2721 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3914 times:

Alan Joyce is on record as saying the QF International operation is a money loser.

He is running the international operation down, potentially even scapegoating it from an accounting perspective, to favour JQ. Now with that public record of positioning, isn't it a little convenient that mx problems only ground his 'loss-making' 747s on their international routes?

If all of this is the case, then QF must be MAKING money by this grounding?



When all's said and done, there'll be more said than done.
User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4922 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3841 times:

Mr Joyce has favoured JQ from day one since being handed the CEO position at QF...

From crying out loud JQ just purchased 110 aircraft... The mainline fleet will get run down A330s from JQ while they receive shiny NEW B787's...

EK413



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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2987 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3729 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 15):
From crying out loud JQ just purchased 110 aircraft... The mainline fleet will get run down A330s from JQ while they receive shiny NEW B787's...

Of course what you're forgetting is the 14 big shiny and expensive A380s that QF has taken over the past few years (and the next year or two), and the fact that QF has taken 3 of the last 4 A332 deliveries, all the HGW variant with the new Airbus interior and a fantastic domestic product. QF has taken 10 738s this year, with the BSI coming in their next frame. They've also got 9 744s going through AVV getting gutted and completely refitted with brand new, world class interiors. It's not long until the A333s get upgrades (in the works for 2013 from what I've heard), and they're about to spend millions redesigning their lounges overseas.

Also remember that JQ has not just order 110 A320s -- QF Group has. Some will go to JQ, but many are going to their new Asian carrier -- Skybeds, A380 Y seats, full service flights. The A332's are extremely good aircraft -- they will receive new seats and entertainment systems before reentering domestic service, and are all only around 5 years old.

What am I trying to say -- you can complain about QF presenting biased facts (I have no doubt they are, as are the unions) but it's just a tiny bit hypocritical to then come out presenting your own biased facts.


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