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BA Adds 4,000 Seats A Week To LHR-GLA  
User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1461 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 10031 times:

Not sure if this story has been covered here already ...

But BA will start to raise capacity on the Heathrow-Glasgow route by 25 % from the start of the winter schedule. It's to make up for the seat shortage caused by BD's withdrawal from the route earlier this year.

The extra capacity is coming from operating additional flights and using a 252-seater B767 on busy services.

The move has been welcomed by local business in Glasgow because it will improve links with the capital and make it easier to make international connections over LHR.

http://www.businesstraveller.com/news/ba-boosts-heathrow-glasgow-route

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User currently offlinegingersnap From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2010, 893 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 9855 times:

I always knew from my travels through GLA that the LHR services were busy, but enough to utilise at 767? Took me by surprise that one.


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User currently offlinenighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 5126 posts, RR: 34
Reply 2, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 9819 times:

Quoting gingersnap (Reply 1):

I always knew from my travels through GLA that the LHR services were busy, but enough to utilise at 767? Took me by surprise that one.

bmi just recently dropped their GLA-LHR service, so there will be an increased demand for BA.

If the demand is enough to justify 2 767 flights a day plus extra services, I wonder if bmi have made a mistake here?



That'll teach you
User currently offlinelhr380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 9821 times:

Quoting gingersnap (Reply 1):
but enough to utilise at 767? Took me by surprise that one.

Seeing as though BA is now the only airline on the GLA LHR route, yup its needed.

The 767 flight is utilised on the main flight people will get down and up for Euro and International Connections.


User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3199 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 9794 times:

Quoting LondonCity (Thread starter):
The extra capacity is coming from operating additional flights and using a 252-seater B767 on busy services.

They used to be common enough on the GLA / EDI shuttles, one of the night stoppers went from a B757 to a B763, the last evening departure from GLA was also a B763 for a while, this is going back to the mid nineties though, just before the coming of FR and EZY.

The odd thing about this, is that I believe it's the frist Northbound out of LHR that's getting this B763, so will be the mid morning return from GLA, neither of which is in peak travel. I could be wrong though as I haven't travelled at those times for a while, but the peak flow was North to South at the same time this B763 is going South to North, or am I wrong?


User currently offlineAirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2011 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 9449 times:

Nice to see a widebody on a UK domestic route again! It shows how useful it still is to have a 'small' widebody in the fleet, as there's still quite a capacity gap between the A321/739 and the 788/A332, especially as the latter aren't geared around short haul routes.


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User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2486 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 9337 times:

Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 5):
Nice to see a widebody on a UK domestic route again! It shows how useful it still is to have a 'small' widebody in the fleet, as there's still quite a capacity gap between the A321/739 and the 788/A332, especially as the latter aren't geared around short haul routes.

I hope EDI gets the 767 back. May be if they buy BD, they would reduce frequency and use 767s.



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User currently offlineplanejamie From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2011, 576 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 9251 times:

My god! I was shocked to see a 767 getting used - great for the domestic flying market in the UK! Never thought I'd see the day! I might just plan a MAN-LHR-GLS-LHR-MAN trip... might be fun to do... maybe the MAN-LHR bits on BD... (wrong forum for that though...) glad to see BA filling the gap! Does GLS have widebody domestic gates?

User currently offlineshankly From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 1540 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 9144 times:

Quoting nighthawk (Reply 2):
I wonder if bmi have made a mistake here?

bmi have been making mistakes for 20+ years. A once very good airline, sadly now in the last days of existance

Might just book a GLA run for the 767 ride



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User currently offlineshufflemoomin From Denmark, joined Jun 2010, 471 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 9105 times:

I flew GLA-LHR around a decade ago and was lucky enough to get a 767 on the route. I'd enjoy doing that again. Maybe it's time to start flying through LHR on BA between CPH & GLA rather than BMI direct.  

User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3199 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 9051 times:

Quoting planejamie (Reply 7):
Does GLS have widebody domestic gates?

I have used both Stand 19 and 22 on the B763, not sure if 21 is suitable though as I've never seen the 767 on there.
It's "GLA" by the way  
I'm not sure it's great for domestic service as these 767s were expected to have been retired by now and so are dying for a facelift inside. It's like flying on the old G-BUS* A320s, great for an enthusiast, time travel for the travelling public!


User currently offlineMANfan From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2010, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 8902 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 10):
I'm not sure it's great for domestic service as these 767s were expected to have been retired by now and so are dying for a facelift inside

The facelift/cabin upgrade was confirmed to be going ahead only today to those of us on the 767.
The first LH 767-300 gets the upgrade in January 2012, with the first SH hull being rolled out onto the line in March 2012.

The delay was due to a supply issue with the new enlarged overhead lockers (which is a very important part of the cabin upgrade, especially on the high density SH routes). The upgrade is more than just overhead bins though, it's all the sidewall lighting and panels, new toilets, new IFE screens replacing the overhead TV's etc (on the SH hulls), and on the LH hulls modified Club World seat (slightly different from on the 744/777 due to the narrower cabin) plus the new upgraded World Traveller Plus (premium economy) and World Traveller (economy) seats as on the other LH BA fleets.

It should greatly enhance the experience that our customers have on board our 767's and it's a bonus to be able to fly it domestically from March as the SH hulls begin to be rolled out.

Also, the majority of the SH 767s (5 of 7) that BA are flying were the last that BA took delivery on in 1996-99, so they are not as old as you might think. They (the SH hulls) with the new cabin upgrades could easily be around for another 8 years or so if BA decide to keep them and upgrade their avionics to meet new regulations post 2016.

If BA do absorb BMI I could see 767 operating a lot of the 'shuttle' capacity to GLA/EDI/MAN.

The 767 is a very versatile aircraft for BA. It operated to Glasgow and as far east as Hyderabad, India, south as Lusaka, Zambia and west to Calgary, Canada.

I look forward to welcoming many of you aboard the upgraded 767's very soon, and certainly look forward to doing some 'shuttle' work again which has been missing since the end of the 757's.

MANfan


User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3199 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 8813 times:

Hear hear, had a great time in Club Europe on LHR-FRA on the G-BNWY last month, even better flying back on G-BNWM !!!

User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 8676 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 4):
The odd thing about this, is that I believe it's the frist Northbound out of LHR that's getting this B763, so will be the mid morning return from GLA, neither of which is in peak travel. I could be wrong though as I haven't travelled at those times for a while, but the peak flow was North to South at the same time this B763 is going South to North, or am I wrong?

According to the article, the B767 will appear on BA1472 ex-LHR and back from GLA with BA1477. Days of operation are daily, except 4, 6 and 7. The timings of these flights may be convenient for transit pax at LHR rather than those flying end-to-end ?


User currently offlineBY738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2264 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 8580 times:

Quoting nighthawk (Reply 2):
If the demand is enough to justify 2 767 flights a day plus extra services

Its one flight ex GLA only and on certain days a week (2 flights I suppose if you count the return)


User currently offlineshufflemoomin From Denmark, joined Jun 2010, 471 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 8368 times:

Now that BMI doesn't fly this route, what option does Star Alliance have for connecting passengers in LHR from GLA?

User currently offlineBY738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2264 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 8349 times:

They are using BA bizarrely....!

User currently offlineadg737800 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2008, 63 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 7707 times:

Quite amazing. Just shows that perhaps BMI were a little to ready to give up on this market. My parents flew GLA-LHR-GLA at the weekend with BA and it was an A321 each way that was packed and there was a large standby list too.

Incidently I flew LHR-MAN in 1995 with BA on a Europe fleet 767. Some serious metal for a 25 minute flight!



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User currently offlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7469 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 7608 times:

how many seats per week did BD formerly offer.

User currently offlineba319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8506 posts, RR: 55
Reply 19, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 7529 times:
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Quoting adg737800 (Reply 17):
Quite amazing. Just shows that perhaps BMI were a little to ready to give up on this market. My parents flew GLA-LHR-GLA at the weekend with BA and it was an A321 each way that was packed and there was a large standby list too.

- Indeed, it does not matter what time of day you travel, and I'm travelling almost weekly on a mix of travel times,the BA EDI/GLA services are all pretty much full - it's a bit of a worry bmi was loosing £38 for every passenger it flew flew on the GLA route, they obviously got something wrong......



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User currently offlineBA174 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 753 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 7462 times:

Is there really the demand. I would have thought Virgin west coast have got the majority on the O&D market on that route.

User currently offlineba319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8506 posts, RR: 55
Reply 21, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 7426 times:
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Quoting BA174 (Reply 20):
Is there really the demand.

- Yes, the flights are all full or as close as.



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User currently offlineBY738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2264 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 7315 times:

and some of the fares are pretty steep....

User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2486 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 7236 times:

I think like the JFK shuttle, BA should relaunch the domestic shuttle concept with fixed

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 19):
- Indeed, it does not matter what time of day you travel, and I'm travelling almost weekly on a mix of travel times,the BA EDI/GLA services are all pretty much full - it's a bit of a worry bmi was loosing £38 for every passenger it flew flew on the GLA route, they obviously got something wrong......

EDI has 6 or 7 A321s a day and GLA is getting a 767. Nice to see shorthaul domestic picking up... Loved those Super Shuttle days with hourly services to EDI at :00 to GLA at :15 and to Man at :30 at gate 5.



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User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3199 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 7030 times:

14 B757s a day summer 1990 on GLA-LHR, 8 with BD, with 4 LGW and STN on UK.

25 adg737800 : There is. Time wise the plane is still quite competitive against Virgin WC. Price wise there's not much difference between train and plane and then t
26 awthompson : Never mind B763, I have seen B772 on the LHR - Glasgow route over the last while, one in fact was used last week.
27 EuroWings : I wonder if we will ever see BD back on the route? Although, that's providing they continue operating in their current form, which isn't certain at al
28 mainMAN : My initial thought to reading this thread was "what were BD thinking?" More to the point, why would they scrap GLA and keep hold of MAN, when GLA obv
29 BY738 : It was Gatwick and as a result of tech 734's only
30 LH121GLA : Please continue to use CPH-GLA direct ... we need to use it or lose it!
31 BY738 : Poor frequency, tiny aircraft and extortionate prices- not reallly condusive to high throuput. Surprised its lasted. Will go in the BMI shake-up howe
32 LH121GLA : None. BA are the only option to LHR. To other Star Hubs - we have BD to CPH and CO/UA to EWR. US to PHL summer only. The quicker LH dispose of BD the
33 skipness1E : BY738 you're being provocative. The GLA-CPH is a route going back decades and was inherited from SAS. Please provide something to back up your conclus
34 shufflemoomin : I don't think he IS being provocative. I travel between Copenhagen and Scotland regularly and small aircraft and high prices are EXACTLY the reason w
35 planejamie : Woops, my mistake! My other question, I presume eventually MAN will gain a 767 at some point, where will it park at MAN as the domestic 41-42 (and 43
36 BY738 : From one "armchair" commentator to another- the facts are clear to see. And confirmed by those who actually use the service.... Revisit this subject
37 EuroWings : What makes you say that? There isn't nearly as much O&D traffic on that route.
38 skipness1E : Very good point, I take it back, I don't get back as often as I should. DY would grow the market immensely, bmi have less capacity than the DC9-41 twe
39 BY738 : GLA-CPH August 2011 pax down 7% GLA-CPH September (prov) 2011 pax down 9%
40 ScottishDavie : BD also have exactly the same problem with EDI-ZRH. The last time I went to ZRH I flew EDI - BSL with U2 and took the train to ZRH. Obviously it took
41 EDICHC : Not really necessary to go through LHR, GLA-FRA suffices for most connections. US for N.America
42 shufflemoomin : It doesn't work for me. I don't want to fly more than an hour east to end up flying west again. I'd much rather go through LHR. I've booked with Unit
43 The Coachman : Umm, unless you meant Galveston, Texas, USA, I'm not sure you did...
44 EDICHC : Why?????????? Out of central Scotland there are far better options to cross the pond, even if you are restricting your self to *A. US GLA-PHL direct,
45 Gingersnap : With the option of UA/CO from EDI & GLA, along with US from GLA I'm not sure why you would. I've connected through AMS for example many times to
46 gkirk : LH dont fly GLA-FRA, they do however fly EDI-FRA, and soon ABZ-FRA
47 shufflemoomin : To be honest, I don't consider a 757 across the pond a 'far better option'. Again, I don't want to fly east to have to fly west again.
48 skipness1E : Using US GLA-PHL is only useful for conmections when it operates in the summer months.......
49 edina : Time wise air travel is still very much an option on LON-GLA.... The fastest Pendolino times from Euston to Central are still over 4 hours on the fas
50 LondonCity : Connections are with BA even to Star carriers. But the cost of through fares has risen with carriers like SQ because BA will not be providing the sam
51 lhr380 : Just had a look at the difference in price between train and plane. (Looking at same times or as close as possible) GLA BA have a flight to LGW at 134
52 LondonCity : As I mentioned above, it's partly to do with Virgin Trains' lack of capacity. The Pendolino trains used on this route have too many first class and n
53 UAL777UK : Great to see a widebody back on a domestic route, I though those days had gone apart from subs. That said you have to ask what were BD doing pulling o
54 skipness1E : It's quite simple, they were losing a fortune. Revenue management meant that they could pack the aircraft with lots of STAR codeshares and still not
55 LondonCity : At the time, BD blamed the high cost of LHR fees for its decision but a report in The Scotsman last January suggested BD was losing GBP 1 million a m
56 GCT64 : My "armchair" (more accurately "economy seat") perspective from weekly commuting between London and EDI is that Easyjet (from LTN, STN & LGW) and
57 EuroWings : The capacity provision is not controlled by Virgin Trains, it is controlled by the UK Department for Transport who specify these requirements. Virgin
58 VV701 : And of course while the British Airways fare includes Air Passenger Duty (of £12?) the Virgin Trains journey is quite heavily subsidised because Vir
59 EDICHC : Nor do many consider a change at LHR a far better option than a direct service. From anywhere on the east side or south side of Glasgow, the train ha
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