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Passenger Aircraft Down In Botswana  
User currently offlineTCASAlert From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (2 years 6 months 6 days ago) and read 5085 times:

8 people have been killed in a crash and subsequent fire at Xakanaka bush airfield when a Cessna Grand Caravan went down. British, French, Swedish and Swiss nationals onboard including the British pilot, only two French and two Botswanans have survived.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...eight/story-fn3dxity-1226170076320

It happened a few days ago but strange to see nothing on here.

[Edited 2011-10-18 04:15:01]

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User currently offlineBrenintw From Taiwan, joined Jul 2006, 1569 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4389 times:

It's a weird feeling reading the articles considering I have just returned from a trip to the Okavango with my parents -- and we also chartered a Cessna to fly us to the lodge.

The Cessna that crashed belonged to Moremi Air and was based at Maun.

My parents and I flew with Mack Air on the Cessna 206.

The ex-pat pilot community in Maun is pretty small and I'm sure that they all knew the pilot who died in the crash. I'm sure that I saw the aircraft when I was in Maun, but I never got a photo of it.

May those who perished RIP. I hope the fears of adverse effects on tourism to Botswana won't be realized -- the Okavango is amazing and the Batswana people so friendly and welcoming.



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User currently offlineTravellerPlus From New Zealand, joined Nov 2008, 347 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4178 times:

Very sad. May all rest in peace. I am sure that the small community in Maun will feel the loss. Like Brenintw I too have been to the Okavango this year and the news touches me on a personal level.


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User currently offlinefrigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1462 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 5 days ago) and read 4007 times:

I saw a very small newspaper article about it last Monday, but couldn't find anything on A.Net either. But as it already happened last Friday I thought I just missed it.

I've booked an overland tour with Drifters to Botswana next February, and a flight to their camp in the Okavango is part of the package. I don't know which company they've chartered, but I wondered about e-mailing Drifters asking about safety precautions with air charters into the Okavango. I realise Botswana is a lot better organised than most other African countries, but I don't know how far safety measures and checks by the local authorities go... I hope someone with experience can help me here?

I haven't told my girlfriend or my and her family about this accident yet, they'll just start worrying and it's probably totally unnecessary.

My condolences to everyone involved in this sad accident.



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User currently offlineBuyantUkhaa From Mongolia, joined May 2004, 2828 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3754 times:

Quoting Brenintw (Reply 1):
I'm sure that I saw the aircraft when I was in Maun, but I never got a photo of it.

I was in Maun last August doing a scenic flight, quite likely it was there.

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 3):
I realise Botswana is a lot better organised than most other African countries, but I don't know how far safety measures and checks by the local authorities go... I hope someone with experience can help me here?

Botswana is one of the richest countries in Africa and tourism provides quite a chunk of that wealth. I know that the tourism board is very tough on any tour operator mistreating tourists. Don't know if this can be extrapolated to air safety, but the country gave a good impression overall in that sense.



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User currently offlineBrenintw From Taiwan, joined Jul 2006, 1569 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3548 times:

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 3):
I've booked an overland tour with Drifters to Botswana next February, and a flight to their camp in the Okavango is part of the package. I don't know which company they've chartered, but I wondered about e-mailing Drifters asking about safety precautions with air charters into the Okavango. I realise Botswana is a lot better organised than most other African countries, but I don't know how far safety measures and checks by the local authorities go... I hope someone with experience can help me here?

I would fly in Botswana again in a heartbeat. Most of these charter companies are foreign-owned (many by South Africans) and most of the pilots are foreign-trained.

The tourism authority has very high standards for operators, and the CAA there is also world-class. In many ways, Botswana is one of the least "African" of countries in Africa -- very low levels of corruption, nepotism, crime etc.

The pilot of the aircraft that went down was an experienced pilot -- with over 12,000 hours -- and an ex-pat (he was British). He was also the managing director of Moremi air according to one of the reports I read. The fact that a single crash of a small aircraft in Botswana has made news is probably your first indication of how safe aviation is in Botswana -- in many other countries, it wouldn't even go beyond local news, unless there was some celebrity on board.



I'm tired of the A vs. B sniping. Neither make planes that shed wings randomly!
User currently offlinesw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6265 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3410 times:

Quoting Brenintw (Reply 5):
In many ways, Botswana is one of the least "African" of countries in Africa -- very low levels of corruption, nepotism, crime etc.

Yes, I would agree with this. I expect these accidents are the exception, and not the norm. I would probably hop on one of these flights tomorrow without much worry, honestly.


User currently offlineTravellerPlus From New Zealand, joined Nov 2008, 347 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3358 times:

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 3):
I've booked an overland tour with Drifters

As per most places in the world, driving is far more dangerous than flying. That is the part of the trip I'd be worried about!

There is risk in flying to remote air strips in any part of the world, not just Africa, but there is hardly systemic failures in the Bostwanan safety oversight system.



What goes around comes around....unless your luggage is not on the carousel...
User currently offlinefrigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1462 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3132 times:

Thanks for the replies guys. Good to hear that this tragedy is the exception and just an accident - albeit a very sad one, and my heart still goes out to the families involved.


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User currently offlineairnorth From Canada, joined Jun 2011, 77 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2703 times:
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Some more related info to this thread:

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/botswana-tr...l-aircraft-accident-181719866.html


User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2348 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2436 times:

Some interesting info from a local pilots perspective

http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=77252



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User currently offlineMCOGVADCA From China, joined Oct 2006, 446 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2352 times:

I stayed at Pom-Pom last summer and took Moremi Air. I hope that wasn't my pilot  


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User currently offlineAirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2004 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days ago) and read 2197 times:

Very sad, there do seem to have been a few incidents involving scenic flights recently (there was one by Everest a couple of weeks ago), it's possible that any further crashes might put tourists off the purely scenic flights, as opposed to the ones actually taking you somewhere, such as a remote camp, but I hope not. I have fond memories of a Caravan flight over the deserts of Namibia.


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