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TK Seeking To Start 4 New Routes, Incl. Mogadishu  
User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19230 posts, RR: 52
Posted (2 years 11 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 8390 times:

"Turkish Airlines will begin flights to four new destinations including London Gatwick cover the coming months

The carrier will launch flights from Istanbul to London Gatwick. Depending on fleet availability, services to Russian city Novosibirisk, Misrata in Libya and Mogadishu, Somalia will follow.

The carrier will also increase flights from Moscow. At present it operates the Moscow-Istanbul route five times per day, but will add Antalya and Ankara as new destinations, taking the number of flights from Moscow each week to 51."

Source: today's ATI.

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Pretty cool and innovative that they're taking the step to serve Mogadishu!


"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
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User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12472 posts, RR: 37
Reply 1, posted (2 years 11 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 8360 times:

Good for Gatwick as well; this will create a lot of new connection opportunities!

User currently offlinetcm From Turkey, joined Jul 2010, 584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (2 years 11 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 8363 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Thread starter):
Pretty cool and innovative that they're taking the step to serve Mogadishu!

There are serious safety concerns regarding Mogadishu. Would it be safe?


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19230 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (2 years 11 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 8317 times:

Quoting tcm (Reply 2):
Would it be safe?

Presumably they have already thought about that.  



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlinesw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6324 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (2 years 11 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 8287 times:

Awesome. I love where TK is going - diving in to some unusual markets and establishing a presence before anyone else does. Not only can they likely offer higher fares, but they can also gain a loyal traveler base before the markets become more popular. Love it from a business standpoint!

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 3):
Presumably they have already thought about that.

One would hope that A.net is not the first place someone said "Would Somalia be safe?"  


User currently offlineyegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1726 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (2 years 11 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 8270 times:

is TK following the EK strategy....It's amazing how much TK has grown lately.

I flew TK back in August from FRA to IST and I must say that the kebab they served us on that flight was amazing


User currently offlinerunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2194 posts, RR: 35
Reply 6, posted (2 years 11 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 8208 times:

Quoting yegbey01 (Reply 5):
I flew TK back in August from FRA to IST and I must say that the kebab they served us on that flight was amazing

Quite normal as it seems TK serves the same meal in all classes, just the silverware and cutlery change.


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19230 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (2 years 11 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 8192 times:

Quoting sw733 (Reply 4):
I love where TK is going - diving in to some unusual markets and establishing a presence before anyone else does. Not only can they likely offer higher fares, but they can also gain a loyal traveler base before the markets become more popular.

Absolutely! I agree.

Quoting sw733 (Reply 4):
One would hope that A.net is not the first place someone said "Would Somalia be safe?"

 



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17504 posts, RR: 45
Reply 8, posted (2 years 11 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 8176 times:

Quoting yegbey01 (Reply 5):
is TK following the EK strategy....

EK's strategy is easily replicated, at least on the network side. It's fairly easy to buy a bunch of big planes and connect the world's biggest cities frequently; it's also easy to compete with since EK's top flow markets are probably either already served or ripe for nonstop service. TK on the other hand is building a network that is very difficult to replicate. No one is going to go after MGQ and OVB any time soon, and they, among many of TK's other destinations, provide diverse flow onto the major trunk routes that is unique to TK.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4328 posts, RR: 35
Reply 9, posted (2 years 11 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 8155 times:

Daallo Air still flies there with old Ilyushin 18s because insurance companies don't like for instance an A-320 to go there. I wonder if TK can insure their 737-800 or A-321 well or if they will retain an old 737-400 for the Mogadishu flights.


nobody has ever died from hard work, but why take the risk?
User currently offlineavek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 19
Reply 10, posted (2 years 11 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 8136 times:

One of the advantages of TK over EK is a large home base with rather high-yield O&D.


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User currently offlinesw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6324 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (2 years 11 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 8081 times:

Quoting avek00 (Reply 10):
One of the advantages of TK over EK is a large home base with rather high-yield O&D.

Indeed. IST is such a huge city. Every time I go there, I am in awe of how far it extends and the sheer number of people living in the Istanbul metro area (13+ million people).

Istanbul is also in such a perfect spot for connecting between Asia/Middle East and Europe. Europe to Iraq via UAE is completely out of the way, whereas Europe to Iraq via Turkey is a perfect line.


User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17504 posts, RR: 45
Reply 12, posted (2 years 11 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 8078 times:

Quoting avek00 (Reply 10):
One of the advantages of TK over EK is a large home base with rather high-yield O&D.

   Plus people actually want to stop in/visit IST, regardless of the Duty Free 



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 11 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7996 times:

TK is really trying to copy EK strategy and it seems to be doing it very sucussfully.
It has a number of advantages:
Geographical location at an East/West crossroads.
Much lower Labour costs compared to European competitors.
Booming home tourism market for the last 10 years.
Vision for the future.

By comparison look at what happened to their close neighbour Olympic !


User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2626 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 11 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 7863 times:

LGW will be LON 3rd airport served by TK, as it seems ESB-LON operate into STN.

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 13):
TK is really trying to copy EK strategy and it seems to be doing it very sucussfully.
It has a number of advantages:
Geographical location at an East/West crossroads.
Much lower Labour costs compared to European competitors.
Booming home tourism market for the last 10 years.
Vision for the future.

Add to that use of narrow-body aircraft.
It'd be no surprise that TK could add in some near futre 2-3 new destinations in western India (if allowed), JUB, DLA and others within 6h30m flying time from IST with A319/B737-800, and destinations like LAD, GIG with its wide-body.



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User currently offlineju068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2640 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (2 years 11 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 7781 times:
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Wouldn't it be more correct to say that Turkish is copying Qatar rather than Emirates? I mean if they were to copy Emirates then they would have had an all widebody fleet...

User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17504 posts, RR: 45
Reply 16, posted (2 years 11 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 7745 times:

Quoting ju068 (Reply 15):
Wouldn't it be more correct to say that Turkish is copying Qatar rather than Emirates?

They're copying just about every hub-and-spoke in history--nothing new there, other than the unique destinations.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlinedirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1685 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (2 years 11 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 7490 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 8):
EK's strategy is easily replicated, at least on the network side. It's fairly easy to buy a bunch of big planes and connect the world's biggest cities frequently; it's also easy to compete with since EK's top flow markets are probably either already served or ripe for nonstop service. TK on the other hand is building a network that is very difficult to replicate. No one is going to go after MGQ and OVB any time soon, and they, among many of TK's other destinations, provide diverse flow onto the major trunk routes that is unique to TK.

Great point. TK is investing in markets that will over time grow and yield great returns, but not to the extent that they will have routes that will bypass IST. This is why TK can serve places like MGQ or ALP 3-4 times a week and connect these cities to North America or the Far East, knowing that chances of Toronto-Aleppo or Misrata-Jakarta are very slim down the line. EK however is focusing on markets like India & China that gain more nonstops to Africa and Europe over time.


User currently offlineASA From Bangladesh, joined Dec 2010, 732 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (2 years 11 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 7314 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 12):
Quoting avek00 (Reply 10):One of the advantages of TK over EK is a large home base with rather high-yield O&D.
   Plus people actually want to stop in/visit IST, regardless of the Duty Free  

      Indeed ...

but you are rubbing it to the EK, EY, GF, and QR folks out there ...   


User currently onlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3454 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (2 years 11 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7139 times:

According to news reports that I saw MRA was destroyed during the intial stages of the Libyan Civil War. It may take awhile to rebuild the airport not mention how many of the 350K people will return. Nevertheless bold choices by TK. I hope JIB is next.


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User currently offlineHirnie From Germany, joined May 2004, 594 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 11 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5756 times:

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 13):
TK is really trying to copy EK strategy and it seems to be doing it very sucussfully.

I don't know if they are really successfull. I heard that at this time time they are losing money. Am I correct? If so, I think that they are growing two fast. Nevertheless those new routes are partly quite exotic.


User currently offlineNorthstar80 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 215 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 11 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5619 times:

Quoting ju068 (Reply 15):
Wouldn't it be more correct to say that Turkish is copying Qatar rather than Emirates?

if anything, QR is copying TK, TK is nearly twice as big as QR by fleet size, number of destinations and passengers flown.



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User currently offlineFlyingsottsman From Australia, joined Oct 2010, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 11 months 6 days ago) and read 5354 times:

What would be in Mogadishu to have a service there?

User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19230 posts, RR: 52
Reply 23, posted (2 years 11 months 6 days ago) and read 5225 times:

Quoting Flyingsottsman (Reply 22):
What would be in Mogadishu to have a service there?

Lots of Somalis living abroard (e.g., roughly 100,000 in the UK alone) that wish to travel for VFR reasons, for one.



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7610 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (2 years 11 months 6 days ago) and read 5141 times:

I do not know the turkish Govt attitude to travel to Somalia, the attitude of the FCO is pretty clear;

http://www.fco.gov.uk/en/travel-and-...country/sub-saharan-africa/somalia


25 Steelyman : Completely agree, if we sum up some of ex-TK high management staff are nowadays in QR we can clearly see who copies who
26 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Given that EK's O&D:transit is close to a 50:50 or a 40:60 mix (lets make it even a 30:70 mix), millions like to visit DXB as well...
27 777way : TK Cargo used to serve LGW, though PDF still shows the service, its gone from the active schedules. Even potential flag carriers Egyptair, Sudan airwa
28 Post contains images sw733 : Which is why, I suppose, TK is jumping on it. It's a risk...a big one. But rarely do businesses succeed without taking risks. One assumes TK will tak
29 MaverickM11 : They already fly to what, 6 destinations in Iraq? They have some experience.
30 Flying Belgian : TK clearly on the upper hill. A friend of mine flew with them in C from BRU to IST and was amazed by the service's level on his flight. They're clearl
31 sw733 : Yeah, but most of the places they fly to in Iraq are (relatively!) safe compared to Mogadishu. Yes, Iraq is dangerous still. However, it's getting be
32 Post contains images ASA : That pretty much sums up the feeling of the entire "Western" world out there towards Somalia ... but it's not the same everywhere. The Turkish Prime
33 greenjet : Turkish Airlines made a net profit of 286 million lira (US$153m) in 2010. However, in the first six months of 2011 the company made a net loss of 544
34 MaverickM11 : They fly to KBL too--I can't imagine they overnight crews in any of these places.
35 AeroWesty : Always a question in my mind when I see an airline serve a destination in an unstable country such as Somalia—in what currency would they price and
36 sw733 : Good question! However, I think a just as pertinent question might be...how many people in Somalia would even have the money to fly to Turkey? Mogadi
37 stylo777 : nope, they don't overnight crews at supposedly high-risk destinations. thats one of the operational advantages of TK with having a hub in IST and rea
38 ju068 : Yes but Qatar has been doing this since October 1996 whereas Turkish has become what it is only recently. But anyway, it was not Qatar, Turkish or Em
39 leftyboarder : I wouldn't expect anything less than 3 weekly, otherwise it wouldn't be logical for the traveler (unless tourism is high on the list!).
40 ju068 : Thanks. Would they send their A319/B737-700? Somehow anything bigger than that could be too much capacity. Could the flight to Mogadishu be an extens
41 777way : ^ Exactly SV and MS have RJ's more right sized equipment for the route.
42 Post contains images bjorn14 : After getting their ransoms Somalia pirates will fill up J class seats.
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