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10 Most Dangerous Airports In The US?  
User currently offlineapodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4263 posts, RR: 6
Posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 28489 times:

Here is a link to an Article which has a list of what it claims are the ten most dangerous airports in the US

http://www.boston.com/business/galle...dangerous_airports/?p1=Upbox_links

For those of you who don't want to click on the link the list is as follows

10. DFW
9. BOS
8. PHX
7. FLL
6. MIA
5. HNL
4. SFO
3. LAX
2. CLE
1. ORD

Naturally, I have big problems with this list and the way it was determined. For example, CLE was deemed to be dangerous because of Cleveland Center controllers not maintaining separation, and since Cleveland is the busiest center in the country, who knows if those planes were or were not actually heading to or from CLE. There seems to be a heavy focus on ATC errors on this list and not other considerations. Because of this, airports that I don't think should belong (HNL, LAX, and CLE to name three) are on here, and airports that I see a lot of issues with and I think should be on here (SAN, BUR, LGA, ROA) are not on here. To me this article reeks of another poorly written and researched aviation article. But what else would we expect from the media.

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User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3071 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 28435 times:

Agreed. This is a pathetically bad article.

So a catering truck once collided with an AA airplane, so that makes MIA on the most dangerous list?

There was the Runway Incursion incident at FLL in 2007 when a UA A320 missed a taxiway turn (which incidentally a very alert controller immediately saw it and told the DL 757 to go-around) so now FLL is a most dangerous airport.

A Cessna once flew too close to a 777, which resulted in a TCAS RA, at SFO. Lo-and-behold, that makes SFO on a list of most dangerous airports.

Any of these incidents could have happened almost anywhere.

This is a disgracefully bad article with no factual basis that is just nothing but sensationalism.


User currently offlinegreenjet From Ireland, joined Aug 2001, 956 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 28378 times:

Unfortunately the standard of journalism in this article is typical of boston.com. The Globe just doesn't even bother any more.

User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21516 posts, RR: 60
Reply 3, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 28318 times:

To me danger indicates a strong likelihood of injury or death. There is no inherently dangerous airport in the USA, as there is no strong likelihood of injury or death at any of them.

There is no point ranking inherently safe places in order of their "danger."



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User currently offlinesccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5509 posts, RR: 28
Reply 4, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 28299 times:

Incomprehensibly bad reportage, drawing meaningless conclusion from irrelevant data.

And they breed!



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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11276 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 28194 times:

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 3):
To me danger indicates a strong likelihood of injury or death. There is no inherently dangerous airport in the USA, as there is no strong likelihood of injury or death at any of them.

There is no point ranking inherently safe places in order of their "danger."

Ikramerica, I have to say, as simple as it was, that is probably one of the top 100 posts ever on this forum.
  

But as long as air travel has the reverance that it does, this kind of crap journalism will continue. How many people are afraid of flying? Yet, how many of those people are not afraid of getting in a car? Aviation breeds irrationality, and these journalists feed on it to make a buck.



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User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21516 posts, RR: 60
Reply 6, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 28076 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 5):
Aviation breeds irrationality, and these journalists feed on it to make a buck.

And of course that lady who is suing over turbulence because her irrationality got the best of her and it certainly must be someone else's fault...



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlinebearste From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 14 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 28043 times:

Deplorable list...Can't tell you how many times I have flown in and out of ORD, and I feel that airport has the sharpest controllers and handling in the nation. Ridiculous. The rest are idiotic also. Put that journalist in the jumpseat of one of our planes and fly in and out of those airports, instead of looking out a window in 25A.

User currently onlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7156 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 27832 times:

Quoting apodino (Thread starter):
6. MIA

MIA is on the list because a catering truck ran into an AA plane in 2007 and they are putting in new lights?
This is the dumbest and worst article I have seen in a very long time.



"It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)
User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21516 posts, RR: 60
Reply 9, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 27781 times:

Why isn't TPA on this wonderful list with all the lightening strikes?


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User currently offlineaajfksjubklyn From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 27647 times:

The article is completly media trash...nothing esle to talk about as there have been no horror stories in the air lately. It amazes me too the heavy emphasis on the airlines and their brands......Quite hysterical. Are we talking airports? or Airlines?

User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6126 posts, RR: 23
Reply 11, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 27602 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 1):

We have all heard about those rouge catering trucks down in Miami...  
Quoting ikramerica (Reply 6):

Haven't you heard, the DFW controllers were in controlling the levels of turbulence across Texas on that particular day!! That why they made the list.


In all seriousness this article is crappy writing and once again instills fear into the traveling public that doesn't know any better!



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlinecyeg66 From Canada, joined Feb 2011, 202 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 27168 times:

Lol. ORD's undergoing a $6.6 million program to realign its runways...?!? By that same measure, they could replace SFO with an offshore jobby (a la Kansai or Hong Kong) for about $9 million.  I'm not sure but I think that's supposed to say "billion". The 777 departing SFO and seeing a Cessna flying overhead is (slightly) reminiscent of AC's 77W(?) departing NRT and having to abruptly level off due traffic and resulting resolution advisory. Controllers, in that case, hadn't even issued a traffic alert to them, kind of a "oh yeah, there was traffic there." No apology. Oh well.

This list, btw, stinks. Agree wholeheartedly with ikramerica's post. Perhaps there is a way to tabulate "complexity" of American airports. Factor in weather, altitude, congestion, etc. Now, a subjective list like that, done by folks in the FAA, may very well intrigue me. I would assume crossing runway ops would lead to more frequent runway incursions/possible collisions and weigh more heavily in the 'complexity' argument. But by simply recalling situations like 'a catering truck once collided with an airplane', precisely as this article seems to do freely, and drawing the conclusion that an airport must then be dangerous, I say hogwash.



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User currently offlineckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5227 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 26865 times:

So two planes collided at ORD? It turns out that one DL jet was being pushed back, and the tug driver turned the aircraft (I think an MD-88) a little two fast, clipping the plane (I believe an A320) parked at the next gate.

How does that make the airport unsafe.

By the way, we're into the second state of runway realignment. Since the 3rd east west runway opened (9L-27R), now arriving traffic doesn't have to land on 22R and do LAHSO to avoid crossing 27L. And 32L has been closed to arriving traffic. Not that 32L was used for arrivals much before 8 or 9pm, but that avoids approaching the runway while flying over Runways 22L and 28.

And, Runway 10-28 has been lengthened.

If anything, the airport in Chicago with a greater potential for problems is MDW. The runways are short, and the patterns have to be configured to avoid the much larger ORD patterns.

Frankly, DCA and LGA represent greater safety issues, when compared to MDW, ORD, or the other airports on the list.


User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 577 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 26773 times:

Was it me or was most of the list having to do with money being spent to improve the airport? So if an airport is undergoing some improvement it must be a unsafe airport in the authors minds. Or that someone had a cranio-facial inversion and caused an accident and that makes the airport unsafe.

I cannot believe that SAN is not on this list due to the approach and location.


User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5080 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 26660 times:

If they want to get a REAL list they should poll around 1,000 or so commercial pilots and see what THEY come up with.


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User currently onlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7156 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 26631 times:

I sent a short comment to boston.com about the list. It took about 30seconds. Maybe if they get enough they will see what an absolute terrible job they did.


"It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)
User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2183 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 26582 times:

I have found this media source to be notoriously bad for publishing biased articles based on skewed facts. DFW and ORD on top ten? Are you kidding me??

However, I will say that in general my landings at MDW have been consistently scary because of the shorter runway  



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User currently offlineha763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3657 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 26367 times:
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I'm not defending boston.com, but the source of the article is Travel+Leisure. There is a link to the original article is below the list on boston.com. Here it is:

T+L's Most Dangerous U.S. Airports


I first saw this mentioned on the news a couple of days ago because of HNL being #5 on the list. Has the FAA come out with a 2011 Annual Runway Safety report? I sure cannot find it on their website, which has the 2010 and 2009 annual reports. I'm really interested to see if HNL actually had 12 runway incursions in FY 2010 because that is how much incidents would have had to happen for the total to match the 33 listed in the article. The 2010 annual report covers fiscal years 2006-2009 and HNL had 21 runway incursions for those years.


User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3503 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 26333 times:

"Hi, I'm the internet and I'm quickly turning into a series of poorly researched lists intended to scare people/suggest vacations." *yawn* Nothing to see here, move along...


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User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21516 posts, RR: 60
Reply 20, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 26318 times:

Quoting ha763 (Reply 18):

I'm not defending boston.com, but the source of the article is Travel+Leisure.

A dying business model seeking click-through in desperation, and another dying business model reposting their cry for help in order to syphon off some of those click-throughs.

Pretty lame on both counts.



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7893 posts, RR: 52
Reply 21, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 26223 times:

Quoting apodino (Thread starter):
this article reeks
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 1):
pathetically bad article
Quoting sccutler (Reply 4):
Incomprehensibly bad reportage
Quoting D L X (Reply 5):
crap journalism
Quoting bearste (Reply 7):
Deplorable list
Quoting flymia (Reply 8):
dumbest and worst article
Quoting aajfksjubklyn (Reply 10):
media trash
Quoting as739x (Reply 11):
crappy writing
Quoting cyeg66 (Reply 12):
This list, btw, stinks
Quoting flymia (Reply 16):
absolute terrible job

I'm loving the descriptive terms, it's almost like poetry. Someone should send this to the Boston Globe  



Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
User currently offlinejonathanxxxx From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 673 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 26183 times:

Oh God, what a crappy piece of journalism   

Where Do I start?

1) MIA dangerous? It's as dangerous as the common house fly. The approach path is extremely simple, the runways are well spread out, they are not at extreme capacity, I don't know how this is dangerous?

2) SAN isn't on there? I do understand that it really isn't DANGEROUS but if you are going to make a list this should be there. Single runway, at capacity, reverse operations sometimes used. It's definitely a contender..


User currently offlineStabilator From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 697 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 26102 times:

Was thinking GFK would be up there. Go up in the pattern there on a clear Saturday and your head will be spinning. Factor in the foreign students from Saudi Arabia, Japan and China and the radios can be a CharlieFoxtrot. Loads of traffic. Kudos to the controllers, they know what they're doing (as do almost all controllers. Ive had great experiences wherever I've flown).


So we beat on against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past.
User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13095 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 25879 times:

This list seems to be 'the most dangerous in the eyes of those that don't fly or had a bad experience at them'.

Generally, at the least, LGA, SDG, Midway, Vail, BOS due to their locations, short runways, little overruns at the end of their runways could be considered higher risk ops airports but not necessarly 'dangerous'.


25 NASCARAirforce : This is a terrible list - where is LGA? MDW, JFK? DTW had the confusing runway/taxiway markings back in 1990 when that Northwest DC-9 turned onto an a
26 ikramerica : Why not BUR for that matter? Mountains on three sides, short runways with roads right at the ends, standard approach directly over busiest G/A airpor
27 sancho99504 : WOW.....guess the long approach paths into PHX are way tooo dangerous with limited restrictions... Downtown Dallas and Fort Worth are creating too ma
28 stlgph : this wasn't written by the Globe. it's written by Travel & Leisure.
29 Independence76 : The fact DFW made the list basically tells me they ran out of major airports to name off the top of their head. I've watched planes fly into DFW and I
30 stratosphere : I dunno a lot of those airports have ample space and ample runways and I am sure if you ask pilots most of these airports would be off the list. I do
31 Coronado990 : Quoted from the article... "O'Hare airport is undergoing a $6.6 million plan to realign its runways." Such a deal!
32 twa727 : I'd be interested to know why you mentioned ROA, both because it's the airport I most often fly out of, and because it seems to be the one small airp
33 bohica : Obviously there is no drug testing in journalism. The person who wrote this article is on crack.
34 Post contains images NASCARAirforce : Maybe because there happens to be a water tank off to the left of the runway and a freeway in the approach that Delta 191 hit over 20 years ago. [Edi
35 brucek : Disregarding this article, I would put EGE and ASE in a list of the most "difficult" airports, just from a terrain perspective. Bruce.
36 RayChuang : I'm surprised the article totally missed SAN, especially its tricky approach with that car parking structure just before the start of Runway 27. I'm s
37 smoot4208 : I would've imagined that TEX would've landed on that list
38 apodino : You basically hit it all, I believe two runways can't even be used for landing because of terrain (in one direction, not the other), and the runways
39 PavlovsDog : I was expecting those and a slew of airports in Alaska when I opened this thread. Dutch Harbor or one of the other airports up there subject to hazar
40 Post contains images Nutsaboutplanes : You were reading my mind. Juneau is a real prize in the winter.....I have been on flights with 4 missed approaches due to visibility issues and wind.
41 NBGSkyGod : The Boston Globe version is absolutely deplorable, all it is soul purpose is to scare people. While I think the approach is wrong with the Travel and
42 Goldenshield : ROA is no fun, yeah. Thankfully, I haven't had to deal with it for a few years. AVL, on the other hand, while it is in the middle of a valley, is a p
43 stlgph : again, not making excuses, i'm associated with *neither* company but Boston Globe didn't write it, it came from Travel & Leisure. you'll constant
44 Highflier92660 : These Travel + Leisure articles are specifically designed to frighten passengers and sell magazines. And why oh why does much maligned CLE always mana
45 apodino : Which as it turned out had nothing to do really do with the airport but was caused by a fatigued pilot who was pushed into flying a flight he wasn't
46 maxpower1954 : I've always felt, from the perspective of an active airline pilot who has flown into SAN since 1988, that the media and the public in general makes a
47 aztrainer : Yes, but we have the dangerous Haboob at least three months out of the year, only in the afternoon, when there is a convergence of high and low press
48 stlgph : people still talk about the parking garage - i think more so much as a novelty than anything these days ... it's kind of like the "Welcome to Clevela
49 Coronado990 : As a pax, I have flown in and out of this airport hundreds of times and I am still alive and never felt unsafe. It is a straight in approach. Now, if
50 canoecarrier : JNU is a relatively safe airport to fly into. AS uses an RNP approach into Ketchikan, Sitka, and Juneau. Articles like this don't often look further
51 NoWorries : I used to fly out of ROA in the late 70's -- my recollection was a fair amount of "weaving" during approach -- I never knew for sure but I assumed it
52 sancho99504 : I completely forgot about DUT......That can be fun, but JNU with RNP, which I believe only AS operates into JNU with, the NDB approach to 08(or is it
53 Post contains links canoecarrier : I believe there's two at JNU, a NDB and LDA X RWY 08 approach. I've flown through JNU a number of times and it's certainly scenic enough to make you
54 sancho99504 : I know there was an AS 727 that had a CFIT late 80s or early 90s, there have been a few CFIT with small aircraft, but dont think that was due to weat
55 canoecarrier : That was AS flight 1866 in 1971. It was flying the route AS now calls flight 66 ANC-CDV-YAK-JNU-SEA, I take that flight often from CDV. But, I don't
56 ikramerica : Other than the fog, sounds like BUR.
57 Post contains images maxpower1954 : I thought it was built earlier, but had a few levels added in the late 1980s. But who am I to argue about San Diego Lindbergh Field history with some
58 JMM99 : what about EGE & ASE in winter ?
59 ADent : Considering safety - I would rather fly into ORD than Aspen (ASE) or Vail (EGE). Heck, I would take ORD over MDW.
60 JMM99 : EGE featured on Air Crash Investigations recently, as being one of the worlds most dangerous airports (in winter), although not sure there have been m
61 Post contains images greenjet : Like I said, the Globe just doesn't bother any more
62 nomoreRJs : US jouranlism at it's finest! Same people that talk about the UA 380 and AA 340 being the workhorse of the fleet!
63 ckfred : "20/20" did a story about the parking garage in the early 90s. Yes, it cauaght my attention, when the camerman was on the ground, and an AA 757 came
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