KonaB777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (14 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1645 times:
We all know that the root of all the turmoil at United Airlines was caused by the US Airways thing. Now that the chance of that ever happening is nil, do you think United's employees' morale will improve, and United will win its pre-"Summer of Hell" reputation back?
Travelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3625 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (14 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1601 times:
I disagree with your premise that US Airways was the "root" of all the turmoil at United. Labor issues between pilots, f/a's, mechanics, and management have caused more turmoil than anything. US was a costly mistake that took management's eye off fixing the problems at United when they should have. But I'm fairly certain they didn't cause all the problems.
That said, of course the airline will recover. The route structure is outstanding. Their alliance is the best in the world. They have a huge number of premium frequent flyers (that even after the summer from hell will come back). Unfortunately United has increased its cost structure quite a bit with the new labor deals. But I don't think this makes them any different than Delta, AA, US, NW, or any of the other majors.
There will probably be cuts in the near-term, but I wouldn't count United out at all.
Deltaflyertoo From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 1742 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (14 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1584 times:
United will rise again, definetly.
If you look at history, you will notice the airlines are like celebrities. One moment they are at the top of their game....the next in the dumps. I think UAL will come back but it will take a good 3 years. CO at one time was the worst of the worst, look where they are now.
I think ultimately, after AA completes its merger w/ TWA we will see them become the next problem child of the industry as they try to orchestrate 3 hubs, all close together in a profitable and efficient manner.
CAETravlr From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 917 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (14 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1562 times:
I certainly hope that UAL rises again. If they are going to, it is going to take time. However, I think the most significant thing they could do as a first step is put Goodwin out on his rear. His incompetence and lack of focus on the airline has gone a long way towards causing many of UALs problems. The things they are doing as "cost cutting" measures right now are certainly going to lose them more revenue than it will ever save them. Put someone in charge who understands the airline business, and they will begin their journey on the road to recovery.
Just my humble opinion, but I have a vested interest in their well being, and hope to see some action soon. If the USAirways merger is approved by congress, you have to wonder if the airline can survive it.
A woman drove me to drink and I didn't have the decency to thank her. - W.C. Fields
Modesto2 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2896 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (14 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1536 times:
If United rises again, it's not going to be for a LONG time. They lost $292 million last quarter and a USA Today article says that one Wall Street estimate has the airline losing $900 million this year.
VirginA340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (14 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1531 times:
If you want to see UAL rise again throw out that incompetant management Goowin/Dutta. They are the most horrible thing to the industry since Lorenzo/Borman. They've pissed off more employees at UAL than Ichan did at TWA. All Goodwin had to do was sign the contract that UAL employees loved. The entire thing was organized and since the prevoius ceo stepped down all Goodwin had to do was to sign it. But no he wanted to stall and shelve it which caused the slowdown to take affect and when other airlines prospered last year UAL plumeted in their profits.
QantasA330 From Iraq, joined Dec 2000, 306 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (14 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1517 times:
I sure hope so... However, nothing is THAT simple. The bottom line is that UAL knows that getting its reputation back is far more important than becoming the Worlds Largest Airline again. It's main competition is itself until it's that airline it was a year and a half ago. UAL will always be considered THE leader in the industry, it will all depend on these next few months, where UAL could either START to bounce back, or fribble into a mess with an estimated $900 mil loss. We'll just have to see...
Go Canada! From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2955 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (14 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1509 times:
it will come back and besides the deal isnt dead just yet.
I think it will occur in the end, especially since AA bought TWA without much fuss.
The plan was AA would have 25% market share and united 26%(this is after AA buys TWA and UAL bought US).
AA is bigger at the moment because its deal has passed first.
I think united will be ok, it may have a bumpy ride, however this is more due to the economic slowdown which causes a lot of problems for major carriers who rely on business customers flying with them to make larger profits.This is because economy passengers dont yield big profits for airlines, in fact first class pax and business class actually subsidise the fares.
united needs to retain businessmen, thats were the money lies, if it does that it will be ok and will come back stronger.
It is amazing what can be accomplised when nobody takes the credit
DCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4648 posts, RR: 31
Reply 11, posted (14 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1459 times:
With competent management, United will rise again to being a profitable company that delivers a good product at (hopefully) reasonable prices. United has amazing resources--hubs at great O & D airports with international traffic, new 777s and Airbus 319 and 320's, and a very well-managed high quality regional affiliate in ACA (though the others are good too--no TSA at United).
One development that will be IMO crucial to UA's future success is the approval of Daley's plan to reconfigure O'Hare. The current snowflake runway pattern is very inefficient; if Daley's proposed identical-to-efficiency-leader-DFW plan is approved, O'Hare could surge past Atlanta again.
If Goodwin has *any* brains, and that is a debatable assertion, he ought to work day and night to help Daley get that approved. That means he should play political hardball by threatening the NIMBY state gov't with taking thousands of jobs away from O'Hare and moving more traffic to Denver if O'Hare isn't reconfigured. UA has to think of itself, and play hardball to get this vital resource positioned for continued world leadership.
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VirginA340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (14 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1443 times:
I agree with DCA-ROCguy; If Goodwin can atleast get off his butt and grow a brain he will and should threaten Illinois to take away jobs to their hubs at IAD, DEN, SFO, etc. That should put more pressure on the legeslature and the governor.
Hugo From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 400 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (14 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1432 times:
UA can rise again with inspired management that addresses the real problems rather than smokescreening with false, inane slogans like " United rising". UA used to be one of my favorite airlines but no longer: it is clear that management is inept.
Imkeww From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (14 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1427 times:
So ironic how people still feel the bitter sting of the 'Rising' campaign.
That campaign was established in 97 and shelved in 99, yet people still talk about it (mostly mocking it).
The one airline campaign that aimed at "honesty" to the consumer failed miserably because it was all promises and no delivery, and because it was pretentious.
While making the crucial point of how premium travellers are the bread and butter, R I S I N G was the first step of the segregation of elite flyers from 'normal' ones at United that has succeeded in driving off potential new customers.
You cannot say your airline is rising just because consumer complaints against it are! =)