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Iran Air 727 Landed Without Nose Gear  
User currently offlineGonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1987 posts, RR: 2
Posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 9411 times:

No injuries, but some damage for this old bird for sure.

Will IR repair this 727...? My bet is yes, but who knows...

http://www.avherald.com/h?article=444b62b9&opt=0

Rgds.

G.

[Edited 2011-10-19 04:13:49]


80 Knots...V1...Rotate...Gear Up...DC-3 / EMB-110 / Fairchild-227 / Ab318-19-20 / B732 / B763
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User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8997 posts, RR: 76
Reply 1, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 9383 times:
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Quoting Gonzalo (Thread starter):
Will IR repair this 727...? My bet is yes, but who knows...

Always depends on the amount of damage. The airplane is for sure old, but question is: is the damage serious enough that it will be a write off or not?
We have to wait and see.

wilco737
  



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User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2882 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 8819 times:

19 crew on a B722???? That seems a bit much, no?


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User currently offlineamccann From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 175 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 8701 times:

Where is a Nissan Frontier when you need it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzyJLtJjfqE



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User currently offlinekoreana380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 8206 times:

Any ideas on what caused the landing gear to fail?

User currently offlinefanofjets From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1965 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7805 times:

From what I heard, the pilots did a superb job in executing the emergency landing. Many photos on A.net from Iranian spotters testify to the skill of Iran Air mechanics in keeping old birds flying. Unless there's a major structural issue, I am sure that old bird will be patched up "better than new" and up and flying again.


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User currently offlineGonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1987 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7670 times:

Quoting fanofjets (Reply 5):
From what I heard, the pilots did a superb job in executing the emergency landing.

Apparently that is correct. Looking at this pic I can not see any damage to the fuselage, so the G forces the frame deal with must be within limits even without the gear there to absorb the energy.

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Iran-...d=7f227c9ece795f8b2b57594fd1539ef1

Let´s hope this classic left the ground again...

Rgds.

G.



80 Knots...V1...Rotate...Gear Up...DC-3 / EMB-110 / Fairchild-227 / Ab318-19-20 / B732 / B763
User currently offlinecubastar From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 407 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7566 times:

Quoting koreana380 (Reply 4):
Any ideas on what caused the landing gear to fail?

Years ago, I had a 727 nose gear fail to deploy on extension. Actually, there can be NO doubt when that happens. When the gear handle is put down, there is about a 1 to 2 second delay and then the noise level increases about 3 fold in the cockpit when the nose doors open. When we lowered the gear on approach, the "loudest noise you never heard" was the silence in the cockpit. Cycling the gear twice, we appreciated the obvious noise when it finally did extend with the welcomed noise accompanying the green light. Talking later with one of the maintenance people I found out that there is a grease fitting in a fairly awkward position that had probably had been overlooked during some maintenance.


User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4457 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7474 times:

Looks like they did an excellent job, note the horizontal stabiliser in a nearly full nose up position.




This is an extremely powerful control surface on the B727 and would have allowed the Pilots to keep the nose off the ground down to a very low airspeed.




Combined with the excellent control response this will have minimised any damage.



As tough as the wonderful 727 is I suspect it will be a question of some minor skin repair and then back into service.



Love the Iran Air fleet, for me it is a retro Airliner fan's dream come true !



Can anyone list it ?



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User currently offlineHNLsurfer From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7429 times:

Quoting Gonzalo (Reply 6):

Did anyone notice the rear emergency slide? look at that drop off after the initial slide! what a ride!


User currently offlineGonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1987 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7238 times:

Quoting Max Q (Reply 8):
Can anyone list it ?
http://www.airfleets.es/flottecie/Iran%20Air.htm

Not complete, in fact the 727 are not listed....

Quoting HNLsurfer (Reply 9):
Did anyone notice the rear emergency slide? look at that drop off after the initial slide! what a ride!

Well, yes, but that thing should be closer to the ground with the weight of a person sliding.

Rgds.

G.



80 Knots...V1...Rotate...Gear Up...DC-3 / EMB-110 / Fairchild-227 / Ab318-19-20 / B732 / B763
User currently offlineju068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2591 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7067 times:
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Don't know how many of you can access this video, but here is the recording of the B727 landing in Tehran.
Quite impressive if you ask me. Congrats to the pilots for keeping the nose up for so long.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10150371695513491


User currently onlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7566 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7042 times:

Interesting images.

I noted 2 CH47 ans 2 C130 in the background.

Also about 4 B707 and 5 B747.


User currently offlineviasa From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 1874 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6989 times:

Quoting ju068 (Reply 11):
Don't know how many of you can access this video, but here is the recording of the B727 landing in Tehran.
Quite impressive if you ask me. Congrats to the pilots for keeping the nose up for so long.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=...13491

Wow... that's perfect!!!


User currently offlineolli From Mexico, joined Mar 2001, 340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6764 times:

Quoting Gonzalo (Reply 10):
Not complete, in fact the 727 are not listed....
http://www.aerotransport.org/php/go....qstring=Iran+Air&where=41694&luck=

Only one listed as active.

Best Regards,


User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4457 posts, RR: 19
Reply 15, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6738 times:

Excellent Job, really great, i notice he did not deploy the spoilers after landing either which will have helped in keeping the nose up longer.



I doubt the damage is that severe with such a light touchdown.



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User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4457 posts, RR: 19
Reply 16, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6736 times:

Thanks Gonz,



Looking at their fleet I feel like I am in a time warp, great stuff !



The best contribution to safety is a competent Pilot.
User currently offlineolli From Mexico, joined Mar 2001, 340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6730 times:

Quoting viasa (Reply 13):
Wow... that's perfect!!!

Thumbs up to those great pilots! Beautiful way to put that plane on the ground with no apparent damage!

Hope to see her back in the air soon..

Best Regards,


User currently offlineTUGMASTER From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Jul 2004, 690 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (2 years 10 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6401 times:

Hello all.....


here is a video link of the landing

enjoy...!!!

http://www.iranaffairs.com/iran_affa...727-landing-without-nose-gear.html


User currently offlinejupiter2 From Australia, joined Jan 2001, 894 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 10 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6324 times:

Fantastic piece of airmanship. Sensational watching that bird balance on the main gear like that. I hope Boeing send the crew something to congragulate them, they deserve it.

User currently offlineaviateur From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1352 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5898 times:

Re: "Heroics" et al.


As a professional airline pilot, I'm just trying to understand what is so "heroic" about landing a plane with no nose gear. Basically you land the same as you would in normal circumstances.

This is reminiscent of the insanely overhyped emergency landing of a JetBlue A320 in California a few years ago, or the more recent ASA landing at JFK.

That's no offense to the IR crew, but they weren't exactly in the throes of a serious emergency. Calling the guys "heroes" is unfair to those pilots who really did excel, and save lives, in the heat of battle.

And no, I don't mean Chesley Sullenberger. Instead, Google the names Brian Witcher or Barry Gottshall (UA and American Eagle respectively).


Patrick Smith



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User currently offlineContnlEliteCMH From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1458 posts, RR: 44
Reply 21, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5835 times:

Quoting aviateur (Reply 20):
As a professional airline pilot, I'm just trying to understand what is so "heroic" about landing a plane with no nose gear. Basically you land the same as you would in normal circumstances.

There's nothing to understand because it's not heroic. To suggest that the pilots put their own life and/or well-being at risk to benefit another is to ignore their own peril in the matter.

Excellence does not equal heroism. These pilots demonstrated excellence in their handling of this situation, and everybody on board benefitted, including themselves.



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User currently offlinemaxpower1954 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 1090 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5817 times:

Here's another example of excellence in a crisis - landing a Boeing 707 missing number 4 engine and 1/3 of the right wing blazing away. Pan Am 843 at SFO, 1965 - Captain Charles Kimes kept his cool. I love the part where he considers ditching, but says, "you should never do something in a hurry in an airplane unless you have to!"

http://books.google.com/books?id=R1M...ed=0CFwQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q&f=false

[Edited 2011-10-30 21:09:33]

User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4457 posts, RR: 19
Reply 23, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5706 times:

Not sure why a newer thread was merged into an older one, it makes no sense and lacks continuity.




Fact is, Professional Pilots are paid to fly their Aircraft in normal, abnormal, and emergency situations.





When we do a good job, as this Iran Air Pilot did and as Cpt Sully did, we simply affirm our training, competency and experience, perhaps it may help in dissuading some of the public we are not all alcoholics that work one week a month for a gargantuan salary.



While there are, probably a few of us that would relish the 'hero' status they are most certainly the minority, the vast majority of my peers, myself included, do not seek any attention and are happy with the personal knowledge that we have handled a challenging situation well, avoiding if at all possible damage to our Aircraft and most importantly injury or loss of life to our passengers and crew.



Believe me, we are our own worst critics, that Iran Air Pilot whose landing was without reproach is probably still going over in his mind how he could have done it better.



He did a great job, but that's it, that is his job.



Captain Sully did a great job, that was his job too, neither were 'hero's' he got a lot of media attention for it, but this certainly did not originate with the FAA, why on earth would it ?



They are a regulatory and law enforcing government aviation authority, not a cheerleading organisation.




Sully got a lot of attention and to his great credit used it as an opportunity to be a strong advocate for todays Professional Pilots, he did as good a job in this role as he did in his ditching.



The best contribution to safety is a competent Pilot.
User currently offlineqantas747flyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days ago) and read 5677 times:

Quoting Max Q (Reply 23):
Not sure why a newer thread was merged into an older one, it makes no sense and lacks continuity.

I doesn't make sense to me either...

Quoting ju068 (Reply 11):
Congrats to the pilots for keeping the nose up for so long.

The pilot has been banned from flying for 2 months - nice congratulations...

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...lying/story-e6frg6so-1226181223050


25 Post contains links qantas747flyer : The Iran Air pilot's suspension has also made it into the UK Independent Newspaper under the story title: "Hero pilot rewarded with ban for safely la
26 Post contains images MadameConcorde : The way they landed that aircraft is simply amazing. They really kept control of the machine with the nose up until as late as possible to minimize t
27 Post contains links qantas747flyer : What do you think about the Iran Air Boeing 727 pilot's 2 month ban by the Iranian Civil Aviation Organization (CAO) - strange congratulations don't
28 Max Q : If that was meant to be punitive, it is incomprehensible why they would do that, but, as I said already Aviation authorities can always find fault wi
29 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Unfair. I hope the Iran Air hero pilot can appeal of this decision. I am sure he will have much support in his own country. How he landed that plane
30 777way : Lets start an online petition in his support.
31 Gonzalo : We must be careful here. The poor guy can be jailed if the authorities found that he has too many friends "from this side" of the world. In any case
32 Tupolev160 : It is senseless if he was really banned for something what wasn't his fault, instead of being congratulated. Maybe that's just the time they do the en
33 aviateur : My comments above notwithstanding, it's nothing less than shameful what has happened to this captain. The landing itself might not have been heroic, b
34 Post contains links qantas747flyer : Especially the Civil Aviation Organization in Iran... This is not the first time the Iranian CAO has failed miserably in it's task as bastion of air
35 Post contains links koreana380 : In what seems to be a remarkable turnaround from the "cold shoulder" treatment of Iran Air's Boeing 727 pilot, Captain Hooshang Shahbazi who performed
36 rdh3e : Can anyone comment here? Were they deadheading crew around?
37 koreana380 : Even for Iran Air that seems a little on the high side, especially for a Boeing 727. My guess is that they were ferrying crew.
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