fanofjets From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2078 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 8469 times:
From what I heard, the pilots did a superb job in executing the emergency landing. Many photos on A.net from Iranian spotters testify to the skill of Iran Air mechanics in keeping old birds flying. Unless there's a major structural issue, I am sure that old bird will be patched up "better than new" and up and flying again.
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Years ago, I had a 727 nose gear fail to deploy on extension. Actually, there can be NO doubt when that happens. When the gear handle is put down, there is about a 1 to 2 second delay and then the noise level increases about 3 fold in the cockpit when the nose doors open. When we lowered the gear on approach, the "loudest noise you never heard" was the silence in the cockpit. Cycling the gear twice, we appreciated the obvious noise when it finally did extend with the welcomed noise accompanying the green light. Talking later with one of the maintenance people I found out that there is a grease fitting in a fairly awkward position that had probably had been overlooked during some maintenance.
viasa From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 1927 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week ago) and read 7653 times:
Quoting ju068 (Reply 11): Don't know how many of you can access this video, but here is the recording of the B727 landing in Tehran.
Quite impressive if you ask me. Congrats to the pilots for keeping the nose up for so long.
aviateur From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1362 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (3 years 7 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6562 times:
Re: "Heroics" et al.
As a professional airline pilot, I'm just trying to understand what is so "heroic" about landing a plane with no nose gear. Basically you land the same as you would in normal circumstances.
This is reminiscent of the insanely overhyped emergency landing of a JetBlue A320 in California a few years ago, or the more recent ASA landing at JFK.
That's no offense to the IR crew, but they weren't exactly in the throes of a serious emergency. Calling the guys "heroes" is unfair to those pilots who really did excel, and save lives, in the heat of battle.
And no, I don't mean Chesley Sullenberger. Instead, Google the names Brian Witcher or Barry Gottshall (UA and American Eagle respectively).
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ContnlEliteCMH From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1469 posts, RR: 45
Reply 21, posted (3 years 7 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6499 times:
Quoting aviateur (Reply 20): As a professional airline pilot, I'm just trying to understand what is so "heroic" about landing a plane with no nose gear. Basically you land the same as you would in normal circumstances.
There's nothing to understand because it's not heroic. To suggest that the pilots put their own life and/or well-being at risk to benefit another is to ignore their own peril in the matter.
Excellence does not equal heroism. These pilots demonstrated excellence in their handling of this situation, and everybody on board benefitted, including themselves.
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maxpower1954 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 1303 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (3 years 7 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6481 times:
Here's another example of excellence in a crisis - landing a Boeing 707 missing number 4 engine and 1/3 of the right wing blazing away. Pan Am 843 at SFO, 1965 - Captain Charles Kimes kept his cool. I love the part where he considers ditching, but says, "you should never do something in a hurry in an airplane unless you have to!"
Max Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5368 posts, RR: 19
Reply 23, posted (3 years 7 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6370 times:
Not sure why a newer thread was merged into an older one, it makes no sense and lacks continuity.
Fact is, Professional Pilots are paid to fly their Aircraft in normal, abnormal, and emergency situations.
When we do a good job, as this Iran Air Pilot did and as Cpt Sully did, we simply affirm our training, competency and experience, perhaps it may help in dissuading some of the public we are not all alcoholics that work one week a month for a gargantuan salary.
While there are, probably a few of us that would relish the 'hero' status they are most certainly the minority, the vast majority of my peers, myself included, do not seek any attention and are happy with the personal knowledge that we have handled a challenging situation well, avoiding if at all possible damage to our Aircraft and most importantly injury or loss of life to our passengers and crew.
Believe me, we are our own worst critics, that Iran Air Pilot whose landing was without reproach is probably still going over in his mind how he could have done it better.
He did a great job, but that's it, that is his job.
Captain Sully did a great job, that was his job too, neither were 'hero's' he got a lot of media attention for it, but this certainly did not originate with the FAA, why on earth would it ?
They are a regulatory and law enforcing government aviation authority, not a cheerleading organisation.
Sully got a lot of attention and to his great credit used it as an opportunity to be a strong advocate for todays Professional Pilots, he did as good a job in this role as he did in his ditching.
The best contribution to safety is a competent Pilot.