wilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8473 posts, RR: 78 Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7630 times:
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Quoting Gonzalo (Thread starter): Will IR repair this 727...? My bet is yes, but who knows...
Always depends on the amount of damage. The airplane is for sure old, but question is: is the damage serious enough that it will be a write off or not?
We have to wait and see.
fanofjets From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1895 posts, RR: 3 Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6052 times:
From what I heard, the pilots did a superb job in executing the emergency landing. Many photos on A.net from Iranian spotters testify to the skill of Iran Air mechanics in keeping old birds flying. Unless there's a major structural issue, I am sure that old bird will be patched up "better than new" and up and flying again.
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Gonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1675 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5917 times:
Quoting fanofjets (Reply 5): From what I heard, the pilots did a superb job in executing the emergency landing.
Apparently that is correct. Looking at this pic I can not see any damage to the fuselage, so the G forces the frame deal with must be within limits even without the gear there to absorb the energy.
cubastar From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 370 posts, RR: 4 Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 1 day ago) and read 5813 times:
Quoting koreana380 (Reply 4): Any ideas on what caused the landing gear to fail?
Years ago, I had a 727 nose gear fail to deploy on extension. Actually, there can be NO doubt when that happens. When the gear handle is put down, there is about a 1 to 2 second delay and then the noise level increases about 3 fold in the cockpit when the nose doors open. When we lowered the gear on approach, the "loudest noise you never heard" was the silence in the cockpit. Cycling the gear twice, we appreciated the obvious noise when it finally did extend with the welcomed noise accompanying the green light. Talking later with one of the maintenance people I found out that there is a grease fitting in a fairly awkward position that had probably had been overlooked during some maintenance.
Max Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 3289 posts, RR: 19 Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 22 hours ago) and read 5721 times:
Looks like they did an excellent job, note the horizontal stabiliser in a nearly full nose up position.
This is an extremely powerful control surface on the B727 and would have allowed the Pilots to keep the nose off the ground down to a very low airspeed.
Combined with the excellent control response this will have minimised any damage.
As tough as the wonderful 727 is I suspect it will be a question of some minor skin repair and then back into service.
Love the Iran Air fleet, for me it is a retro Airliner fan's dream come true !
Can anyone list it ?
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ju068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6 Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 6 hours ago) and read 5314 times:
Don't know how many of you can access this video, but here is the recording of the B727 landing in Tehran.
Quite impressive if you ask me. Congrats to the pilots for keeping the nose up for so long.
viasa From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 1813 posts, RR: 7 Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 6 hours ago) and read 5236 times:
Quoting ju068 (Reply 11): Don't know how many of you can access this video, but here is the recording of the B727 landing in Tehran.
Quite impressive if you ask me. Congrats to the pilots for keeping the nose up for so long.
Max Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 3289 posts, RR: 19 Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4985 times:
Excellent Job, really great, i notice he did not deploy the spoilers after landing either which will have helped in keeping the nose up longer.
I doubt the damage is that severe with such a light touchdown.
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Max Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 3289 posts, RR: 19 Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4983 times:
Thanks Gonz,
Looking at their fleet I feel like I am in a time warp, great stuff !
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jupiter2 From Australia, joined Jan 2001, 757 posts, RR: 1 Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4571 times:
Fantastic piece of airmanship. Sensational watching that bird balance on the main gear like that. I hope Boeing send the crew something to congragulate them, they deserve it.
aviateur From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1345 posts, RR: 12 Reply 20, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4145 times:
Re: "Heroics" et al.
As a professional airline pilot, I'm just trying to understand what is so "heroic" about landing a plane with no nose gear. Basically you land the same as you would in normal circumstances.
This is reminiscent of the insanely overhyped emergency landing of a JetBlue A320 in California a few years ago, or the more recent ASA landing at JFK.
That's no offense to the IR crew, but they weren't exactly in the throes of a serious emergency. Calling the guys "heroes" is unfair to those pilots who really did excel, and save lives, in the heat of battle.
And no, I don't mean Chesley Sullenberger. Instead, Google the names Brian Witcher or Barry Gottshall (UA and American Eagle respectively).
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ContnlEliteCMH From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1436 posts, RR: 50 Reply 21, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4082 times:
Quoting aviateur (Reply 20): As a professional airline pilot, I'm just trying to understand what is so "heroic" about landing a plane with no nose gear. Basically you land the same as you would in normal circumstances.
There's nothing to understand because it's not heroic. To suggest that the pilots put their own life and/or well-being at risk to benefit another is to ignore their own peril in the matter.
Excellence does not equal heroism. These pilots demonstrated excellence in their handling of this situation, and everybody on board benefitted, including themselves.
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maxpower1954 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 854 posts, RR: 5 Reply 22, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4064 times:
Here's another example of excellence in a crisis - landing a Boeing 707 missing number 4 engine and 1/3 of the right wing blazing away. Pan Am 843 at SFO, 1965 - Captain Charles Kimes kept his cool. I love the part where he considers ditching, but says, "you should never do something in a hurry in an airplane unless you have to!"
Max Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 3289 posts, RR: 19 Reply 23, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3953 times:
Not sure why a newer thread was merged into an older one, it makes no sense and lacks continuity.
Fact is, Professional Pilots are paid to fly their Aircraft in normal, abnormal, and emergency situations.
When we do a good job, as this Iran Air Pilot did and as Cpt Sully did, we simply affirm our training, competency and experience, perhaps it may help in dissuading some of the public we are not all alcoholics that work one week a month for a gargantuan salary.
While there are, probably a few of us that would relish the 'hero' status they are most certainly the minority, the vast majority of my peers, myself included, do not seek any attention and are happy with the personal knowledge that we have handled a challenging situation well, avoiding if at all possible damage to our Aircraft and most importantly injury or loss of life to our passengers and crew.
Believe me, we are our own worst critics, that Iran Air Pilot whose landing was without reproach is probably still going over in his mind how he could have done it better.
He did a great job, but that's it, that is his job.
Captain Sully did a great job, that was his job too, neither were 'hero's' he got a lot of media attention for it, but this certainly did not originate with the FAA, why on earth would it ?
They are a regulatory and law enforcing government aviation authority, not a cheerleading organisation.
Sully got a lot of attention and to his great credit used it as an opportunity to be a strong advocate for todays Professional Pilots, he did as good a job in this role as he did in his ditching.
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25 qantas747flyer: The Iran Air pilot's suspension has also made it into the UK Independent Newspaper under the story title: "Hero pilot rewarded with ban for safely la
26 MadameConcorde: The way they landed that aircraft is simply amazing. They really kept control of the machine with the nose up until as late as possible to minimize t
27 qantas747flyer: What do you think about the Iran Air Boeing 727 pilot's 2 month ban by the Iranian Civil Aviation Organization (CAO) - strange congratulations don't
28 Max Q: If that was meant to be punitive, it is incomprehensible why they would do that, but, as I said already Aviation authorities can always find fault wi
29 MadameConcorde: Unfair. I hope the Iran Air hero pilot can appeal of this decision. I am sure he will have much support in his own country. How he landed that plane
30 777way: Lets start an online petition in his support.
31 Gonzalo: We must be careful here. The poor guy can be jailed if the authorities found that he has too many friends "from this side" of the world. In any case
32 Tupolev160: It is senseless if he was really banned for something what wasn't his fault, instead of being congratulated. Maybe that's just the time they do the en
33 aviateur: My comments above notwithstanding, it's nothing less than shameful what has happened to this captain. The landing itself might not have been heroic, b
34 qantas747flyer: Especially the Civil Aviation Organization in Iran... This is not the first time the Iranian CAO has failed miserably in it's task as bastion of air
35 koreana380: In what seems to be a remarkable turnaround from the "cold shoulder" treatment of Iran Air's Boeing 727 pilot, Captain Hooshang Shahbazi who performed
36 rdh3e: Can anyone comment here? Were they deadheading crew around?
37 koreana380: Even for Iran Air that seems a little on the high side, especially for a Boeing 727. My guess is that they were ferrying crew.
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