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What Country Does Thomas Cook Belongs To?  
User currently offlinekl692 From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 675 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5193 times:

This might sound like stupid question but forgive me as I am very confuse with this Airline. I do a lot of spotting at CYYZ and I keep seeing different country flags one their A/C. I keep seeing Canada Flag on their A/C and now the last A330 I took a picture of had Great Britain flag on it. WHY?

Thank you all for you answers.

KL692


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User currently offlinemah584jr From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 500 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5133 times:

It's headquarters are in Manchester, UK.

User currently offlineC172Akula From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 996 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5116 times:

Could the Canadian flagged ones be the 757's operating for Jazz?

User currently offlineairontario From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 543 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5105 times:

Quoting C172Akula (Reply 2):
Could the Canadian flagged ones be the 757's operating for Jazz?

Yes they are. In YYZ the Thomas Cook A330's are operated by Thomas Cook UK, while the 757's are operated by Jazz.

Thomas Cook is a very large company with many differents "arms" I believe Thomas Cook UK is the only actual airline, but they have contracts with many other airlines around the world to operate charters for them under the Thomas Cook brand.


User currently offlineCRJ 900 From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 588 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5105 times:

Canadian division only has 757s, it is operated by Jazz. There are a few subsidiaries...UK. Scandinavia and Germany(Condor).There may be more. They all operate different types of aircraft.

User currently offlineBrusselsSouth From Belgium, joined Aug 2001, 623 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5004 times:

Quoting kl692 (Thread starter):
I believe Thomas Cook UK is the only actual airline

Not quite. You also have Thomas Cook Airlines Belgium (FQ/TCW) operating a fleet of 7 A320's based at BRU. They are basically a charter operation, but tickets are also available for sale on their website.

Their livery is similar, if not identical, to Thomas Cook UK.


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User currently offlinekl692 From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 675 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4982 times:

Quoting C172Akula (Reply 2):
Could the Canadian flagged ones be the 757's operating for Jazz?

yes, the ones I have seen with the Canadian flags are the B757. but wouldn't it make sense for them to have the UK flags on this A/C since the A/C have the Thomas Cook colors on this these A/C. And I believe they have a call sign as Kestrel or something like that.



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User currently offlineCRJ 900 From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 588 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4967 times:

The Jazz operated flights use Jazz callsigns,,,,why would thy use Kestrel?

User currently offlinekl692 From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 675 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4947 times:

Quoting CRJ 900 (Reply 7):
The Jazz operated flights use Jazz callsigns,,,,why would thy use Kestrel?

that is the callsign I heard on the radio. Example would be: Tower Kestrel 999 at Rexdale for 23. I was always confuse when I see TC lands with that call sign



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User currently offlineTCASAlert From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4947 times:

Quoting kl692 (Reply 6):
yes, the ones I have seen with the Canadian flags are the B757. but wouldn't it make sense for them to have the UK flags on this A/C since the A/C have the Thomas Cook colors on this these A/C. And I believe they have a call sign as Kestrel or something like that.

Airtours used to have the callsign Kestrel. They became MyTravel, who in turn were bought out by Thomas Cook (formerly JMC). Air 2000 became First Choice, who were bought out by Thomas Cook.

There are also separate airlines, Thomas Cook Belgium, Thomas Cook Scandinavia and Condor (German), which are part of the same group.

In the winter (low utilisation season in Europe), the aircraft are often wetleased to North American carriers as their season peaks. The opposite happens in summer, when we have a lot of Canadian aircraft wet leased to the UK charter carriers (Sunwing this year is one example).

In summer it is common to see aircraft used across the group, e.g. Scandinavian and Belgian aircraft on UK flights, and vice versa. I guess they would also be used across the pond in the same way.

There are also Thomas Cook flights direct to Canada via tour operator Canadian Affair, these would likely be operated under a Kestrel callsign.

[Edited 2011-10-19 11:55:43]

User currently offlineGT4EZY From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 1760 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4947 times:

The whole Thomas Cook Group, I believe, is still German owned. However, the Thomas Cook brand is traditionally a British chain of travel agents who latterly became involved in IT Tour Operations.


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User currently offlineCRJ 900 From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 588 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4931 times:

Well I guarantee you TC Canada uses Jazz callsign.

User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4650 posts, RR: 50
Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4729 times:

Quoting TCASAlert (Reply 9):

Airtours used to have the callsign Kestrel. They became MyTravel, who in turn were bought out by Thomas Cook (formerly JMC). Air 2000 became First Choice, who were bought out by Thomas Cook.

First Choice is TUI, not Thomas Cook.



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User currently offlineAirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2004 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4683 times:

The Thomas Group is currently British owned, the German company Arcandor who had a majority stake went bust (problems elsewhere)


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User currently offlineGBLKD From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2011, 345 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4609 times:

Quoting GT4EZY (Reply 10):
Thomas Cook brand is traditionally a British chain of travel agents who latterly became involved in IT Tour Operations.

Actually the IT tours came first. In 1845 Mr Thomas Cook arranged a trip including rail travel and hotel accommodation from Liecester to Liverpool. Thomas Cook pretty much invented the package holiday, the concept of the "travel agency" evolved with it.

Quoting TCASAlert (Reply 9):
There are also Thomas Cook flights direct to Canada via tour operator Canadian Affair, these would likely be operated under a Kestrel callsign.

Yep, pretty sure that they had a 752 flight BHX-YYZ this summer, TCX004 I think. Can't be sure but I seem to remember those flights listed on the Air Transat site, if you put YYZ-BHX in as a search option you got a TCX flight number.


User currently offlineGT4EZY From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 1760 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4585 times:

Quoting GBLKD (Reply 14):
Actually the IT tours came first. In 1845 Mr Thomas Cook arranged a trip including rail travel and hotel accommodation from Liecester to Liverpool. Thomas Cook pretty much invented the package holiday, the concept of the "travel agency" evolved with it.

I bow to your superior knowledge.   You can tell you know your P.R.O.U.D



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User currently offlineGBLKD From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2011, 345 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4548 times:

Quoting GT4EZY (Reply 15):
I bow to your superior knowledge. You can tell you know your P.R.O.U.D

Nah, just spent too long recently helping my son with his school history project about famous local people in history, Thomas Cook was on the list to choose from.      


User currently offlinejmc777 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4444 times:

The Thomas Cook Group is a UK company, but operates in about 23 countries under various names and has 4 airlines:

- Thomas Cook Airlines UK
- Thomas Cook Belgium
- Thomas Cook Airlines Scandanavia
- Condor (Germany) - Thomas Cook globe on the tail of most aircraft

- Thomas Cook Airlines Canada is operated using 6 dry leased (airframe only) B757-200 aircraft, flown by Jazz pilots and cabin crew (flight attendants) under a lease agreement to offset excess aircraft during the winter months.

Additionally this year we are leasing a B757-200 based in the Canary Islands for Thomas Cook Airlines Scandanavia, a B767-300 on an 18 month to Condor based in Frankfurt and a B757-200 to Westjet based in Calgary, operating their programme to Hawaii. Along with A330s and B767s to Hadjj with Garuda.

We didn't operate any Canada flights from BHX this year, however we did codeshare with Air Transat.

Thomas Cook Group headquarters are in Peterborough, whilst the airline head office is in Manchester.

Cheers


User currently offlinekl692 From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 675 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4294 times:

Quoting CRJ 900 (Reply 11):
Well I guarantee you TC Canada uses Jazz callsign.

I am not doubting you and I am sure you are right. I have learn a lot about this airline and thank you all for that.

Quoting jmc777 (Reply 17):
Along with A330s and B767s to Hadjj with Garuda.

Speaking of Garuda, I notice a couple of A330 was park in TS hanger in Toronto with TS A/C reg number on it but it was showing Grauda colors on the tail. does it mean it was being wet lease? keep in mind that the rest of that A/C had TS colors but the tail.

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User currently offlinempsrent From Canada, joined Apr 2006, 118 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4171 times:

Quoting jmc777 (Reply 17):
We didn't operate any Canada flights from BHX this year, however we did codeshare with Air Transat.




Until this year, I've flown many times with Thomas Cook aircraft code shared with Air Transat on the Toronto/Manchester route. My son also flew with TCX from Calgary to Manchester.

The Air Transat/Thomas Cook Canadian Affair relationship appears to have ended as most if not all flights are now only with Air Transat aircraft.

The Thomas Cook flights I was on were always full. What happened?

[Edited 2011-10-19 17:48:57]

User currently offlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7210 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3781 times:

OO-TCR, an A320 of Thomas Cook Belgium was parked at Kemble on the 13th.

User currently offlinejmc777 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3641 times:

Over the last 5 years or so we have operated the following flights to Canada (Halifax, Ottowa, Toronto, Quebec, Edmonton, Calgary and Vancouver) on behalf of Canadian Affair (now owned by Transat Inc, hence the codeshare with Air Transat) from a variety of UK bases (LGW, MAN, GLA, NCL and BHX).

However, the profit from operating these routes was deemed too little to continue, so it was decided not to renew the contract with them.

It appears that the 3 A330s we either have returned or are due to return to lessor have been re-leased to Air transat.

http://www.planespotters.net/Product...&type=A330&fleet=504&fleetStatus=4

Regards

[Edited 2011-10-20 10:50:09]

User currently offlinempsrent From Canada, joined Apr 2006, 118 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3356 times:

Quoting jmc777 (Reply 21):

Thanks for the insight. I wondered what happened to the relationship. I must admit that I enjoyed both airlines. I always found the Thomas Cook flight crews to be very pleasant. I hope to fly with them again some day.


User currently offlinetcxdegsy From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 511 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2929 times:

Quoting GT4EZY (Reply 10):
The whole Thomas Cook Group, I believe, is still German owned.
Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 13):
The Thomas Group is currently British owned, the German company Arcandor who had a majority stake went bust (problems elsewhere)

TC is actually a PLC, listed on the London Stock Exchange. It's Global HQ is shared between Frankfurt and Peterborough UK.

Quoting GBLKD (Reply 14):
Actually the IT tours came first. In 1845 Mr Thomas Cook arranged a trip including rail travel and hotel accommodation from Liecester to Liverpool. Thomas Cook pretty much invented the package holiday, the concept of the "travel agency" evolved with it.

There are two types of "Vertical Integration" in the UK - one where the Tour Operator owns it's distribution network through it's Agencies on the High Street and Online.

TC is unique in that it's in the opposite direction - TC was a Travel Agency business that bought a Tour Operation & Airline Business. Therefore, it's the opposite of TUI, in that YC is an Agency Company that owns the Tour Operator.

TC has been a private company, a Nationalised Company in the 60's, before being sold to the Midland Bank in the 70's (timeline may be slightly out), before being sold on through the years to Carlson, then C & N, when C & N changed it's name to Thomas Cook AG. This is where the German link came about



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User currently offlinefly2yyz From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 1030 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (2 years 6 months 10 hours ago) and read 2486 times:

Quoting kl692 (Reply 18):

Quoting jmc777 (Reply 17):
Along with A330s and B767s to Hadjj with Garuda.

Speaking of Garuda, I notice a couple of A330 was park in TS hanger in Toronto with TS A/C reg number on it but it was showing Grauda colors on the tail. does it mean it was being wet lease? keep in mind that the rest of that A/C had TS colors but the tail.

4 330s from TS were sent to Indonesia to operate the Hajj. They are based in SOC.


User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2886 posts, RR: 5
Reply 25, posted (2 years 6 months 3 hours ago) and read 2275 times:

When I worked for Thomas Cook Travel at their SE Regional HQ in ATL, We did travel arrangements for Siemens Corporation USA, and we were told both were German owned companies with large operations in the USA.


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