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Alaska Airlines Post Q3 Profit - $77.5mil Net  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25380 posts, RR: 49
Posted (2 years 11 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 7982 times:

Good results, but down from 2010.

Like Southwest they took a hedge loss for the quarter. Otherwise it was record quarterly income for carrier on back of strong traffic results.

More details after I see the call notes.


News:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/44974194

Press release:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Alaska...ts-prnews-2917476381.html?x=0&.v=1


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User currently offlineapodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4279 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (2 years 11 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 7968 times:

This was being discussed in another thread, but that thread got deleted somehow?

Anyways, as I said in that thread, though they don't get the talk on here that a lot of airlines do, they are doing something right, and quietly making money. Good job.


User currently offlineNutsaboutplanes From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 496 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (2 years 11 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 7873 times:

Excellent numbers! Congrats to all of my good friends in Seattle.....very well done......again!


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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5433 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (2 years 11 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 7813 times:

Quoting apodino (Reply 1):
This was being discussed in another thread, but that thread got deleted somehow?

   Something you (or I) said? Maybe we weren't complimentary enough?  

Anyway, as I said on the other (vanished) thread, AS keeps making money and doing a darned good job of running their airline! Great effort by Team Alaska; Chester can keep on smiling !

Now if the webmaster can just get the real route map and pdf (printable) timetable back up on the website, I'll be a very happy camper...

Note: at least someone has updated/corrected a couple of issues with the pdf route map and I thank them for that!

bb

[Edited 2011-10-20 13:05:35]

User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3075 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (2 years 11 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 7768 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 4):
Chester can keep on smiling !

And he's still being lei'd too on the ETOPS airplanes..


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5433 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (2 years 11 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7748 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 5):
And he's still being lei'd too on the ETOPS airplanes..

Excellent reason to smile!

 

bb


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13602 posts, RR: 61
Reply 6, posted (2 years 11 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7605 times:
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Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
down from 2010.

Not really. This was the best quarter in the company's history, with record third quarter net income, excluding special items, of $131.1 million, or $3.58 per diluted share, compared to net income of $118.1 million, or $3.21 per diluted share.

And if you're truly comparing 3Q10 to 3Q11:

•Revenues improved by 12 percent with record load factors and higher yields in each month of the quarter, more than offsetting the 41 percent increase in economic fuel costs.

•Non-fuel unit costs declined by 2.6 percent.

•Improved employee productivity by 3.8 percent compared to the third quarter of 2010.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25380 posts, RR: 49
Reply 7, posted (2 years 11 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7544 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 7):
Not really.

I said it was a record income quarter, however hedge losses wiped some away producing lower net earnings year over year.
The linked article, and news release also state this.

Since we happily accept hedge gains in the advertised headline numbers, we should likewise accept hedge losses when they occur. (we just saw that with SWA).



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User currently offlinen471wn From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1539 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (2 years 11 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7527 times:
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In light of these excellent AS results, if I were Hawaiian Airlines, I would be rethinking my strategy of under valuing the importance of direct island service to the mainland (verus going through Honolulu). But in the end, I am sure they will still "snatch defeat from the jaws of victory" and think their opportunity is East (Japan) versus the US West Coast.

User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13602 posts, RR: 61
Reply 9, posted (2 years 11 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7519 times:
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Quoting LAXintl (Reply 8):
I said it was a record income quarter, however hedge losses wiped some away producing lower net earnings year over year.
The linked article, and news release also state this.

Since we happily accept hedge gains in the advertised headline numbers, we should likewise accept hedge losses when they occur. (we just saw that with SWA).

Apologies - I'd not noticed where you did acknowledge it was a record income quarter.  



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5433 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (2 years 11 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7417 times:

Quoting n471wn (Reply 9):
In light of these excellent AS results, if I were Hawaiian Airlines, I would be rethinking my strategy of under valuing the importance of direct island service to the mainland (verus going through Honolulu). But in the end, I am sure they will still "snatch defeat from the jaws of victory" and think their opportunity is East (Japan) versus the US West Coast

It seems that the issue of HA vs. AS between the Islands and the w/c always comes up these days in any thread about either carrier. And here it is again.

The usual arguments will be made by the pro-Alaska group and the pro-Hawaiian folks will take their usual stand… All I want to say is that it appears there is room for both carriers between Hawaii and the U.S. west coast; there is some pushing and shoving of course, and some give and take as the economics on the routes and at the destinations change, and as fleets expand and contract.

Pualani and Chester are different – different carriers, different a/c, different business models, different home bases – and it seems to me that the differences help make both airlines successful. I personally like both airlines and think they both do good jobs keeping their customers happy. Importantly as well -- both airlines also have other (expanding) areas on their route maps.

Perhaps it’s just as simple as… HA carries a majority of Hawaiians FROM the Islands TO the mainland and back, while AS carries a lot of us mainlanders from here TO the Islands and BACK. Plenty of back and forth by both groups…

bb


User currently offlinen471wn From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1539 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (2 years 11 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7348 times:
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Quoting SANFan (Reply 11):
Perhaps it’s just as simple as… HA carries a majority of Hawaiians FROM the Islands TO the mainland and back, while AS carries a lot of us mainlanders from here TO the Islands and BACK. Plenty of back and forth by both groups…

Well said---I agree


User currently offlineatrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 12, posted (2 years 11 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7343 times:

Excellent Alaska Airlines, way to go!!!

I flew them again SEA-ANC round trip and was very pleased with their service and flights.

Always happy to hear of an airline posting operating profits, shows they are doing something right!

Alex



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User currently offlineHiFlyerAS From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 955 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (2 years 11 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7301 times:

My bad....I failed to include a link to the press release I'd copied so the thread was deleted.
Live and learn!


User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3075 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (2 years 11 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7285 times:

Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 14):
My bad....I failed to include a link to the press release I'd copied so the thread was deleted.

Maybe the moderators can just ask the OP fix that one problem rather than mysteriously (to everyone else who's posted) delete an entire thread of postings that people might have spent a lot of time on?


User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7908 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (2 years 11 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7219 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 15):
Maybe the moderators can just ask the OP fix that one problem rather than mysteriously (to everyone else who's posted) delete an entire thread of postings that people might have spent a lot of time on?

They can change thread titles, I'm sure they could just copy and paste a link with a slap on the wrist message in the first post. But that's just a.net  

I have a question on all this, is there some kind of figure that measures how much revenue/synergies come from the AS/DL and AS/AA codeshares? I'm sure these codeshares go a long way for AS



Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13602 posts, RR: 61
Reply 16, posted (2 years 11 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7184 times:
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Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 16):
is there some kind of figure that measures how much revenue/synergies come from the AS/DL and AS/AA codeshares

There is, but it's generally not publicly disclosed. Let's just say the codeshares with AA and DL are very beneficial.  



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25380 posts, RR: 49
Reply 17, posted (2 years 11 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 7159 times:

Some notes from earnings call.


FINANCE

o $77.5mil net profit down from in $122.4mil in 2010.
o Excluding adjustments quarter produced company record $131.1mil income.
o Large $84mil mark to market fuel hedge loss ($95 plan vs actual $79 bbl)
o ex fuel CASM 7.28cents. Q3 cost lower than estimated.
o CASM 1-2% higher in Q4.
o Yoy fuel cost up 41%. Refining margin (crack) spread climbing and concerning. Adds $250mil annually.
o 50% hedged in Q4.
o Hedging is important. Insurance policy producing predictable fuel cost and remains good idea long term.
o Low unit cost key. Low overhead and high productivity. 9 consecutive quarters to improve productivity.
o Customers want low fares, so must have low cost.
o $50mil share repurchase plan ongoing. Have bought back $240mil in stock last few years.
o Horizon making strides in reshaping itself under new CPA arrangement. Q3 produced 6.9% operating margin, and working hard to reach the 10% ROIC target. Year to date was about 4%. Prob take a couple years for Horizon to reach 10%.
o Future pension expenses concern due weak investment returns.
o See significant cost pressure going into 2012, and will finely focus on budgets. Wages, maintenance, pensions.
o Ended Qtr with $1.3bil cash.
o Have 23 unencumbered 737 aircraft plus 2 undrawn lines of credit avail if cash needs dictate. But prefer low leveraged balance sheet.
o Mainline return on capital goal 10% likely to be reached in 2011.


TRAFFIC / NETWORK
o Q3 high LF – mainline records – 87.0%
o Improved yields . 7% pax unit rev increases
o Strong mainline OT performance 91% in Q3. Leads US industry group in trailing 12-mos
o Demand environment appears stable for now, actually its “strong”, but can make quick network decision to adjust downwards.
o Mainline capacity up 6%. Regional capacity down 4.5%
o Recent years 27 aircraft redeployed from historic N-S West Coast service, primarily to Hawaii. Has produced better results in all operating regions
o Hawaii represents about 20% of network now.
o Horizon rightsizing network, and producing better results for group.
o Opportunistic growth. Back fill competitive capacity that is leaving the market (eg – MCI)
o Q4 capacity to be up about 3%
o 2012 capacity estimated up 6% at mainline. 5% total at Air Group.
o Uncertainty in macro environment, but future growth range estimates 4-8% annually


FLEET
o 737-900ER start arriving in 2012. Will use -900ERs as growth aircraft to swap out with 737-800 in existing markets
o 3 737-400 returns planed in Q3/Q4. Might do a “very short” extension on 1-2 tails
o Single fleet transition at Horizon was good decision.


OTHER
o In arbitration with pilots. Expect decision in December. Company seeks 5% reduction, pilots want 2.8% raise.

=



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13602 posts, RR: 61
Reply 18, posted (2 years 11 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7043 times:
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Quoting LAXintl (Reply 18):
TRAFFIC / NETWORK
o Q3 high LF – mainline records – 87.0%
o Improved yields . 7% pax unit rev increases
o Strong mainline OT performance 91% in Q3. Leads US industry group in trailing 12-mos
o Demand environment appears stable for now, actually its “strong”, but can make quick network decision to adjust downwards.
o Mainline capacity up 6%. Regional capacity down 4.5%
o Recent years 27 aircraft redeployed from historic N-S West Coast service, primarily to Hawaii. Has produced better results in all operating regions
o Hawaii represents about 20% of network now.
o Horizon rightsizing network, and producing better results for group.
o Opportunistic growth. Back fill competitive capacity that is leaving the market (eg – MCI)
o Q4 capacity to be up about 3%
o 2012 capacity estimated up 6% at mainline. 5% total at Air Group.
o Uncertainty in macro environment, but future growth range estimates 4-8% annually

I was disappointed that Andrew didn't say "maaakets" more often in this call...  



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User currently offlineNutsaboutplanes From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 496 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (2 years 11 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6987 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 19):
OTHER
o In arbitration with pilots. Expect decision in December. Company seeks 5% reduction, pilots want 2.8% raise.

Would anybody care to elaborate on this particular bullet-point? I know that it was not too long ago that AS re-aligned the FO pay after a significant cut that was taken in a previous binding arbitration. The "5% reduction" that AS is seeking.....is this in actual base pay or is this productivity gains that they are looking for? My guess is that these are productivity gains as AS has really been working to increase productivity levels across the board.



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User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5467 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (2 years 11 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6979 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 18):
o Hawaii represents about 20% of network now.

   Amazing. The tail is now fully in charge of the dog. I didn't think it was going to work, but it did.

Always glad to see AS succeed.  


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25380 posts, RR: 49
Reply 21, posted (2 years 11 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 6876 times:

Quoting Nutsaboutplanes (Reply 20):
Would anybody care to elaborate on this particular bullet-point?

Under the 5-year IBT pilots agreement, there are two opportunities for wage resets. One in 2011 and other in September 2013.

As part of this clause, the company held meetings with the union but was unable to come to an agreement so they took the issue the next step into arbitration.

The company seeks a 5% across the board wage reduction, while pilots are instead pushing for a 2.8% raise above and beyond the step increases in the existing contract.

[Edited 2011-10-20 21:20:03]


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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13126 posts, RR: 100
Reply 22, posted (2 years 11 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6272 times:
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LAXintl, thank you for posting the details.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 17):
Hawaii represents about 20% of network now.

WHAT!?!    I'm impressed and surprised and...

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 20):
I didn't think it was going to work, but it did.

It has exceeded expectations.   I thought it would work. I just didn't think *that* many flights.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 17):
Large $84mil mark to market fuel hedge loss ($95 plan vs actual $79 bbl)

Impressive.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 17):
ex fuel CASM 7.28cents. Q3 cost lower than estimated.

Excellent. The 739ERs will help further. What is the total casm? I would estimate 10.5 to 11 cents.. but I'm guessing.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 17):
Single fleet transition at Horizon was good decision.

Agreed. I'm not a fan of too many types to support.

Lightsaber



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User currently offlinen471wn From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1539 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (2 years 11 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5867 times:
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Quoting LAXintl (Reply 17):
Hawaii represents about 20% of network now.

I rest my case on how Hawaiian has blown this opportunity.........perhaps Hawaiian may wish to start flying to and within Alaska.....


User currently offlineMoltenRock From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (2 years 11 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5517 times:

BTW.... does anyone know when the Delta flight crew wages "snap back" to the previously high levels? I know during bankruptcy they were one date, then upon merger with NWA who had lower wages locked in for longer, they all became shorter to ease integration. Shouldn't those "snap back" wages / costs be coming very soon, as in the next 1 to 2 years? If so, Alaska is going to be looking even better.

25 sxf24 : Already happened.
26 EA CO AS : You've "rested" it too soon - did you think about the aircraft HA would have been using? 763s and A330s provide FAR too much lift for the markets AS
27 n471wn : you made my point for me----they missed the market and missed getting the right equipment for the mission
28 BoeingGuy : Exactly, HA's larger equipment couldn't do lot of the routes economically - and in some cases operationally - that are successful for AS: SJC-LIH, SE
29 SANFan : This has been discussed MANY times and AS probably knows what they are doing by NOT doing exactly what you suggest -- getting an entire new sub-fleet
30 BoeingGuy : Yes. I had noticed that about CO, down to once weekly in some case. Hence my comment. I'm well aware that AS has determined that it's not cost effect
31 HiFlyerAS : SAN-HNL advance bookings are very strong...outstanding. I expect we'll see SAN-LIH, SAN-KOA, SJC-HNL, OAK-HNL, PDX-LIH by the end of 2012. I think the
32 Post contains images SANFan : Sorry, I didn't read your comments as tongue-in-check. Even though AS and SNA-HI is discussed often, I don't really see AS changing their mind on the
33 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : I give Alaska a lot of credit for the execution of their Hawaii services. But I would be very careful in underestimating what WN is capable of doing.
34 HiFlyerAS : Agreed....their abilities should never be underestimated. I think absorbing AirTran and cracking ATL and the NE are going to be keeping them a bit bu
35 FATFlyer : Allegiant still says they are on track for Hawaii flights starting Summer 2012. Unless AS is thinking about Hawaii flights from FAT, SCK, EUG, etc (a
36 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : It'll be an interesting battle. If there were a tiny airstrip between the west coast and Hawaii, then perhaps WN would just do one-stops there like t
37 BoeingGuy : It will be interesting if they decide to go toe-to-toe with HA on SJC-HNL and OAK-HNL. Wonder if those markets can support two carriers (along with S
38 HiFlyerAS : Based on the great deals you can get, BLI-HNL is probably the weakest market of all. I doubt they'll start BLI-OGG and in fact I wouldn't be surprise
39 atrude777 : Not as foreign as you might think, while WN metal did not fly to Hawaii, ATA did. Southwest had access to all of the seats, fares and availability th
40 Post contains images BoeingGuy : Yes, I posted on AS's Facebook site that I think they should start SJC-BOS since B6 is dropping it. They didn't reply. Like many others, I had though
41 BoeingGuy : In the discussion of AS adding more Hawaii routes, no-one has mentioned SMF. SMF-OGG seems to be overlooked and I often forget it's there. How is it d
42 sxf24 : From the available fares I've see, it's not doing that great. Funneling traffic up from SEA to connect...
43 EA CO AS : Actually, BLI is performing VERY well! The "secret is out" among the folks in Vancouver, as they're more than willing to drive a little bit to save a
44 HiFlyerAS : We flew BLI-HNL in late September and it was full Hawaii-bound and 3/4 full back to BLI. Late Sept-early Nov are traditionally slow to sun destinatio
45 PlanesNTrains : I've given up on hoping for additional "focus cities" from Alaska. It seems everytime we get our hopes up, they start drawing down the routes. You ca
46 wedgetail737 : I was hoping AS would consider bolstering their presence in existing destinations beyond it's one flight per day to places like ATL, IAH, MIA, STL, et
47 HiFlyerAS : AA gave up on SJC long ago...mainline flights are only to ORD and DFW. No one 'owns' SJC and there are plenty of opportunites. Unfortunately SW likes
48 bahadir : what's the secret about alaska ? Is it low costs or higher yields?
49 hatbutton : Combination of both as well as award winning service and loyalty program.
50 bahadir : I am sorry but I don't see much 'award winning' service difference between Alaska and some other legacies. To me they are not different than DL or UA
51 Post contains links hatbutton : http://www.alaskaair.com/content/about-us/newsroom/alaska-awards.aspx 4 years in a row the winner of the JD Power award for Traditional network carrie
52 Post contains links EA CO AS : JD Power does - four times in a row, in fact. No, there's no advantage over other carriers here - most large companies find AS too small to engage in
53 Post contains links ANCsupercub : I don't think you are giving Alaska enough credit. Look at the awards they have won. 2011 JD Power and Associates "Highest In Customer Satisfaction A
54 wedgetail737 : Another feature of Alaska's Mileage Plan Program is that the miles never expire. I still had mileage from the 1980's and 1990's. I was simply joking a
55 WeAreUnited : o In arbitration with pilots. Expect decision in December. Company seeks 5% reduction, pilots want 2.8% raise. Quoting Nutsaboutplanes (Reply 20): Wo
56 BoeingGuy : What was not successful? I've heard that GDL, LIH, OGG and KOA are doing great. I don't know how SJD is doing, but I'm not aware that it's discontinu
57 EA CO AS : They didn't give in to WN, they gave in to the market - which, I might add, WN did as well. Apparently SJCAUS is just not a revenue-maker for anyone,
58 BoeingGuy : Oh, WN discontinued SJC-AUS too? I didn't realize that. That didn't last very long. So what's different now? At one time AA did 3-4 daily flights on
59 HiFlyerAS : I was trying to figure this one out as well...was the first I'd heard of it. Now that we know it was QX it makes more sense.
60 wedgetail737 : Isn't SJC-BOI down to just 1x daily? It seems to me that AS does a lot of exprimenting with SJC. I hope SJC-PSP is successful. I've heard SJC-MMH is
61 Nutsaboutplanes : I thought this sounded a bit strange. It has been just about a year since I left AS and this just sounded out of character and a bit dangerous. QX ha
62 EA CO AS : Correction - they're reducing it to 1X daily.
63 WNCrew : GREAT JOB AS! My dad is an MVPG with AS and loves their product.... as do I! AS has been performing wonderfully lately and their HA service is impress
64 HiFlyerAS : AS and WN actually have a lot in common. If they weren't both so successful and not competitors they'd make a great team! WN would own east, west and
65 BoeingGuy : I always thought the real reason AS/QX does SJC-MMH is to through route PDX-MMH traffic, not to serve SJC-MMH itself. Recall that after the apparent
66 DeltaMD90 : I think AA and DL already serve them well enough, having WN on board might be overkill. Plus AA and DL offer AS FFs similar amenities, like lounge ac
67 BoeingGuy : I took it that the previous poster was kidding about AS teaming up with WN. There are competitors, although employees have posted previously on A.net
68 wedgetail737 : I stand corrected BoeingGuy. Perhaps we'll see some reinstated service like GEG-SJC as the economy pulls itself out. Perhaps AS needs to do a better j
69 BoeingGuy : Yeah, I'm still trying to understand why AA once had four daily SJC-AUS flights; 4 daily SJC-BOS flights and SJC-NRT did quite well. Yet none of thos
70 LAXintl : Remember MMH service is subsidized to a tune over $1.4mil annually by City of Mammoth Lakes, Mammoth Lakes Tourism Org and Mammoth Mountain Corp. The
71 BoeingGuy : What are the load factors on the MMH flights? Do you know? How does Summer do compared to Winter? Recall that I started a big debate on the recent th
72 LAXintl : According to their grant applications - period between April and December sees load factors between 40-52%, "far less than required for break-even."
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