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User currently offline328JET From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 16234 times:

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...ares-for-world-tour-of-787-363689/


Boeing is to start a worldtour of its newest airplane, which has a long tradition at Boeing.


Hopefully they are more succesful than some years ago with the B764-worldtour, which did not result in any new customer.

But, i am confident. The list of customers is already impressive and will be even bigger after that tour.


I guess, Frankfurt will be on the agenda with potential customers Luftansa and Condor.  

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User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21562 posts, RR: 59
Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 16122 times:

Quoting 328JET (Thread starter):
But, i am confident. The list of customers is already impressive and will be even bigger after that tour.

If they can't deliver any aircraft that meet spec until 2015 or later, I don't expect much good will from this tour. Just a lot of defensive answers to skeptical questions.



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User currently offlinestarrion From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1128 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 15567 times:

Is that the "We're so sorry!" tour?

We realize that you won't be seeing an aircraft like this for many months, so we thought we would bring one over to show you what you are missing.

We apologize for the continuing inconvenience.



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31259 posts, RR: 85
Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 15551 times:
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It's one thing for a customer (actual or potential) to read pages of specifications and performance charts and look at hundreds of pictures. It's another to actually sit in the plane and experience it in flight.

Even if the primary purpose is "damage control" to keep current customers from canceling, that's hardly a bad thing.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 15473 times:

Luckily, the Boeing 787 already made its South American debut, specifically for LAN, the first airline in Latin America to operate the Dreamliner. The Boeing 787 landed at both Lima, Peru, and La Paz, Bolivia. Hopefully, the Boeing 787 will be at FIDAE 2012!

The B-787-8 at La Paz Aeropuerto Internacional El Alto:

(Photo by LAN Airlines)

787: LANding in La Paz and Lima, Making its South American Debut


User currently offlineflythere From Hong Kong, joined May 2010, 443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 15390 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 4):
The Boeing 787 landed at both Lima, Peru, and La Paz, Bolivia

also for the purpose of flight test to land at high-altitude airports  


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 15356 times:

Quoting flythere (Reply 5):
also for the purpose of flight test to land at high-altitude airports

Yep, flying into El Alto is quite an experience in itself; especially since the airport is located at over 13,000ft. above sea level. The B-767s are not certified to operate into LPB, AA utilizes the B-752s into LPB daily and LAN utilizes the A-319s into LPB twice daily.


User currently offlinefrigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1712 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 15140 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 3):
It's one thing for a customer (actual or potential) to read pages of specifications and performance charts and look at hundreds of pictures. It's another to actually sit in the plane and experience it in flight.

Definitely    Last year the 787 was in CDG and flew to AMS with several AF and KL directors on board. After that, KL CEO Hartman wanted the thing even more badly...

I hope though that Boeing will visit AMS another time, and won't think "oh, we've been there already so we can skip that". They arrived in the night, moved the plane immediately to a place where you could only see the tail, and left in the dark as well   Thanks guys!



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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2994 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 15118 times:

We're expecting the 787 down here in Australia mid-November -- same tour or will they be separate?

User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 15038 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 8):
We're expecting the 787 down here in Australia mid-November -- same tour or will they be separate?

Which decade is that then?   


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6451 posts, RR: 38
Reply 10, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 12836 times:

I wonder if they're going to do any crazy flights on this tour such as the PER-NOU fully on one engine which the 77W did. But it's going to be awesome to finally see this plane although it was supposed to have delivered the first -9 to NZ by now!


It's all about the destination AND the journey.
User currently offlineJAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1623 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10870 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 3):
Even if the primary purpose is "damage control" to keep current customers from canceling, that's hardly a bad thing.

What are you talking about? A and B always send their new aircraft on world tours. This isn't damage control, it's just normal promotional activities. In a few months I'm sure we'll be seeing a documentary on the Discovery Channel touting the latest and greatest airplane. The 380 has a documentary about it's construction and flight, I remember AA's 777 was featured in a documentary on the fancy new 777.

So enough with the snarky one-liners, let's celebrate the787's arrival. It looks like we'll all enjoy traveling on it.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31259 posts, RR: 85
Reply 12, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10562 times:
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Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 11):
What are you talking about?

  

I'm well aware that Boeing sends their new models on such tours. The 767-400ER, the 777-300ER and the 777-200LR all made such tours.

I'm just responding to those who have claimed Boeing is using this tour to try and keep customers from jumping (to the A350).


User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5768 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9021 times:

Quoting 328JET (Thread starter):
Hopefully they are more succesful than some years ago with the B764-worldtour, which did not result in any new customer.

Let's use the 77W world tour as a more hopeful example.

I think the 2020s will really be the decade of the 787-9, just like the 1990s were the decade of the 767-300ER. The present 800 orders are just an appetizer. I would not be surprised to see the program as a whole exceed 2000 orders.


User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5704 posts, RR: 29
Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6172 times:

I'm sort of reminded of the scene in Miss Congeniality (forgive me) where the Statue of Liberty backdrop is exploding in flames, but William Shatner's character proudly proclaims "She's Miss United States!" as if no one notices what's going on around him. Pretty funny...

Anyhow, I think this is pretty normal practice for Boeing, but it just feels anti-climatic or contrived due to the horrid execution of this program. Just my 2 cents.

-Dave



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4987 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week ago) and read 4420 times:

Can't wait to see it in SYD wearing JQ / Red Q... oops I mean QF colors 

EK413



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User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5763 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week ago) and read 4403 times:

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 14):
Anyhow, I think this is pretty normal practice for Boeing, but it just feels anti-climatic or contrived due to the horrid execution of this program.

While a world tour is a standard Boeing promotional move, I agree with PlanesNTrains that in this case it appears both anti-climatic and contrived. IMHO they would have got better results by leaving it until there are B787s in services in some numbers in various parts of the world.

Gemuser



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User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 3014 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week ago) and read 4383 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 15):
Can't wait to see it in SYD wearing JQ / Red Q... oops I mean QF colors

And what a sight that would be. The liveries are likely better anyway  


User currently offlineBoeingVista From Australia, joined Jan 2009, 1584 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4364 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 8):
We're expecting the 787 down here in Australia mid-November -- same tour or will they be separate?

She is due in AKL for 2 days from 12th November 2011 direct from Seattle according to this article, I guess she would hop across the ditch after that.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/5817557/Dreamliner-Visit



BV
User currently offlinewoodsboy From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 1031 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4254 times:

Earlier in the year Boeing said they would make 20 787 deliveries in 2011...where do we stand now after the 1st delivery? Are any more deliveries scheduled for 2011? Could we possibly have only one delivery for the year?

User currently offlinepolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2314 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4247 times:

Quoting woodsboy (Reply 19):
Could we possibly have only one delivery for the year?

No, considering the 2nd 787 has also been delivered.


User currently offlinecmf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4024 times:

Quoting polot (Reply 20):
No, considering the 2nd 787 has also been delivered.

No returns  

Or should that be    considering how this program has taken hit after hit.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31259 posts, RR: 85
Reply 22, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3801 times:
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Quoting gemuser (Reply 16):
While a world tour is a standard Boeing promotional move, I agree with PlanesNTrains that in this case it appears both anti-climatic and contrived. IMHO they would have got better results by leaving it until there are B787s in services in some numbers in various parts of the world.

Sending a 787 out after your customers already have them in service would be truly anti-climatic and contrived.  

The 767-400ER and 777-200LR World Tours were both designed to drum up orders for the types, since both were languishing in the order book. The 777-300ER has about 50 orders under her belt when N5016R started her World Tour in late 2003 (if you call TPE and SYD a "World Tour").

The 787 clearly doesn't need to drum up orders at this time, but it could do with keeping what it has secured, so it makes sense to me to send it out and show customers just what they bought and hope they're impressed enough to keep waiting for their own frames to be delivered.


User currently offlinebellancacf From United States of America, joined May 2011, 153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days ago) and read 3392 times:

Which line number will this be, and how close will it be to target specs with regard to weight, MTOW, thrust, fuel consumption, and so on?

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31259 posts, RR: 85
Reply 24, posted (3 years 1 month 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3271 times:
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Quoting bellancacf (Reply 23):
Which line number will this be, and how close will it be to target specs with regard to weight, MTOW, thrust, fuel consumption, and so on?

It's Line Number 003. Originally planned for NH, but now owned by Boeing. If you believe Aspire Aviation, it's between 6,000 and 7,500 kilograms over the original design weight. I expect it will have Package A Trent 1000 engines, so it will be missing SFC by a couple to a few percent. And MTOW will be in the neighborhood of 200,000 kilograms.


25 BoeingVista : So what do we learn from this? The 767-400ER didn't sell at all and 777-200LR hasn't sold well. Even thought the 777W is now an unqualified sales suc
26 JoeCanuck : It's the difference between taking the product to potential customers or having them come to you. It won't guarantee sales but it can't hurt. It's a g
27 Stitch : Probably not, but they do generate PR and buzz and that can help generate sales down the road. Boeing started the world tour for the 777-200LR with 2
28 cmf : Take every chance to meet with customers is a basic rule that has not lost any luster.
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