- Rugby World Cup extra flights
- JQ cutting back on trans Tasman services
- Feasibility of AKL-GUM, AKL-MNL air services
- Status of ZK-OKP, NZ's next new 77W
- 789 delivery delay and what should NZ do about it
- Is the 332 a good choice for NZ
- Possible NZ cutting of HKG-LHR
- NZ's order of new ATR72-600
- More NZ aircrafts to get the Crazy About Rugby livery
- AKL-Japan cancellations in Jan and Feb 2012
- VA/DJ to use some NZ aircrafts in response to QF strikes
- Possibility of AirAsiaX flying to AKL
Other current threads related to New Zealand Aviation:
aerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 6326 posts, RR: 14 Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 12184 times:
The good news is that the Black planes are only to celebrate All Black sponsorship, not a new livery. My heart heaved a big sigh of relief. It'll make for a very collectable Dragon Wings 1/400 model...
zkojh From China, joined Sep 2004, 1500 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 12144 times:
I doubt anyone could vision the whole fleet 110+ A/C all painted black!! unless they got a ''CRAZY'' Idea coming up??!!
''It'll make for a very collectable Dragon Wings 1/400 model...'' ha-ha i'm already waiting for ''Phoenix'' to bring it out - hate the plastic wings on Dragon.!
cchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1702 posts, RR: 2 Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 12105 times:
Quoting zkojh (Reply 2): I doubt anyone could vision the whole fleet 110+ A/C all painted black!! unless they got a ''CRAZY'' Idea coming up??!!
In some cultures, black is a colour associated with misfortunes, tragedies, or death. Painting all the aircrafts black (especially the long haul aircrafts) would not be that great of an idea.
nascarnut From New Zealand, joined Oct 2008, 217 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 11832 times:
Here are some of the foreign Private Jets currently sitting on the ground in Auckland
A6-DAS and A6-DFR Boeing BBJ's
VP-BZE Dassault Falcon 7X
3A-MGA nad G-WABB Dassault Falcon 900EX
N991LF and ZK-KFB Gulfstream G-V
VH-MBP Gulfstream G-450
VH-EXQ Cessna 680
9H-AFR, HB-JII,VH-VGX, VH-LEP and VH-LAW Bombardier BD-700-1A10
Should be a few more showing up tomorrow.
A lot a money sitting on the ground.
nascarnut From New Zealand, joined Oct 2008, 217 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 11813 times:
For the 747 lovers amongst us, Monday 24th could be the day.
Following 747 will be in AKL.
Korean, Cathay, Qantas scheduled to operate 4 747's at this stage plus Air NZ operating 3 747's across to Australia.
0800 KE 129 FR SEL
0800 NZ 123 TO MEL
0800 NZ1113 TO SYD
0930 KE 130 TO SEL
1105 QF6021 FR SYD
1220 QF 161 FR SYD
1255 CX 107 FR HKG
1255 QF6023 FR SYD
1305 QF6031 TO SYD
1330 NZ 119 TO SYD
1420 CX 108 TO HKG
1430 QF 162 TO SYD
1505 QF6014 FR SYD
1515 QF6035 TO SYD
1705 QF 164 TO SYD
Along with NZ running 4 777-200 to SYD and a 777-200 and 777-300 to MEL.
Be interesting to see how the AIAL manages the gates
aerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 6326 posts, RR: 14 Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 11751 times:
Quoting nascarnut (Reply 4): A6-DAS and A6-DFR Boeing BBJ's
VP-BZE Dassault Falcon 7X
3A-MGA nad G-WABB Dassault Falcon 900EX
N991LF and ZK-KFB Gulfstream G-V
VH-MBP Gulfstream G-450
VH-EXQ Cessna 680
9H-AFR, HB-JII,VH-VGX, VH-LEP and VH-LAW Bombardier BD-700-1A10
Most of them are repeat chartered offenders from last weeks semi finals. I will have to nab the few I haven't got..
I suspect that not all of these are as a result of the RWC. If you look at some of the operators... (The top ones)
N991LF is owned by ILFC....
A6-DAS/A6-DFR are Royal Flight (DFR used to be Abu Dhabi Amiri Flight)
3A-MGA is Government of Monaco
G-WABB is TAG Aviation
VH-MBP Marcplan Charter pty Ltd
9H-AFR Comlux Aviation
HB-JII Albinati Aeronautics
VH-LEP Linfox
VH-LAW Walker Air Charter.
VP-BZE is owned by Stork Ltd/ Flying Lion
Quoting nascarnut (Reply 6): Be interesting to see how the AIAL manages the gates
The same as always, with difficulty. The last few weeks have been chronically bad for gate allocation, a lot of the time they have had to be prompted too, because their planning has been poor to begin with. There have been planes waiting, more bus operations than is feasible with only a few airport buses etc etc. Yet another reminder that AIAL couldn't organise an orgy in a brothel because they refuse to pay for the infrastructure the airport needs, despite the exorbitant charges all airlines pay for non-existent facilities...
zkojh From China, joined Sep 2004, 1500 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 11732 times:
new mattresses and covers for BP have been ordered for the 777-200s and 747 as an interim step due to volumes of complaints from J passengers who have experienced the 777-300.
zkojh From China, joined Sep 2004, 1500 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 11729 times:
''Airline bosses go head-to-head at sea''
A bit of fun between Richard and Rob - any idea's to why Sir Richard is down under??
Sir Richard Branson resembled a sore loser after coming in last at his latest publicity stunt off Auckland's Takapuna beach this morning.
The playboy billionaire owner of Virgin Group was beaten by fellow high-flying chief executive Rob Fyfe of Air New Zealand in a time trial race between Kiwi-made Sealegs amphibious boats.
The purpose of the stunt was to promote the Virgin Business Challenge - a partnership between Virgin, Bank of New Zealand and Air New Zealand aimed at kick-starting a Kiwi business - that's ready to go global.
About 200 media and spectators - including his daughter Holly and her fiancée Fred Andrews - lined the beach on a spectacular Auckland day to watch Sir Richard take to the water.
Sir Richard, Fyfe and BNZ chief executive Thorburn staged a friendly show of camaraderie, high-fiving each other and patting shoulders during the conference.
joelyboy911 From New Zealand, joined Oct 2009, 244 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 11636 times:
I had an interesting start to my flight AKL-PMR on NZ 5071 this morning, we were delayed 15 minutes by two pax, described by the FA as "extra" who subsequently showed up flustered with no tickets. I guess they were just late on a connection. Luckily it was no real inconvenience for us.
The upshot was I got a nice look out at the bizjets as metioned above. Some were parked on the taxiway in front of the NZ hangars, and I caught a glimpse of one of the BBJs over by intl. as we climbed out. Certainly was exciting - particularly the Falcon.
Quoting nascarnut (Reply 9): I know the Prince of Monaco is a huge Rugby fan. Has been seen at several major Rugby matches around the world.
My dad said he saw the Crown Prince and his wife at the game last saturday (Wales/France semi-final). I was most surprised, it seems a very strange sport for a Mediterranean monarch to be interested in.
NTLDaz From Australia, joined Aug 2011, 38 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 11513 times:
Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 13): Why? In Italy, rugby is played mostly in the northwest. In France, it's played almost exclusively in the south. Monaco sits between the two.
The reality is that in most of the world Rugby is a game of the upper class. The Monaco Royal Family strikes me as decidedly upper class
timb777 From New Zealand, joined Dec 2009, 151 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 11370 times:
I was just looking at the new BA first on the 747, and found it interesting that they managed to get the same number of F seats (14) into the nose of the 747 as NZ has J (14). I know which seat i'd rather be in!
nascarnut From New Zealand, joined Oct 2008, 217 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 11178 times:
Quoting nascarnut (Reply 4): Here are some of the foreign Private Jets currently sitting on the ground in Auckland
A6-DAS and A6-DFR Boeing BBJ's
SP (Brazil)">VP-BZE Dassault Falcon 7X
3A-MGA nad G-WABB Dassault Falcon 900EX
N991LF and ZK-KFB Gulfstream G-V
VH-MBP Gulfstream G-450
VH-EXQ Cessna 680
9H-AFR, HB-JII,VH-VGX, VH-LEP and VH-LAW Bombardier BD-700-1A10
Should be a few more showing up tomorrow.
Looks like the last of the guests have shown up or on their way.
OY-MSI Bombardier BD-700-1A10
VH-FWI Alliance Airlines Fokker F100
VH-CRW Dassualt Falcon 200X due in from Taupo @ 1540
VH-LAL Gulfstream G-V-SP due in from Napier @ 1620
Throw in 3 Convairs, a 737QC and a couple of Metroliners makes for an interesting mix parked on the ramp.
NTLDaz From Australia, joined Aug 2011, 38 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 11106 times:
Quoting NZ107 (Reply 17): What a shame Sarkozy never turned up in his A332.... That would have been nice. Also if SRB had brought a 744 down, it'd have been just as spectacular
Too true. However methinks Monsieur Sarkozy has things other than Rugby on his mind - like trying to stop Europe imploding.
aotearoa From New Zealand, joined May 2005, 82 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 11013 times:
Quoting NZ1 (Reply 20): From the last thread and a question on ZK-OJK:
Aircraft is due to arrive at the end of Jan 2012. Could go into Domestic service until June, when it is likely to be deployed onto the Tasman.
Thanks NZ1. I hear a rumour or two that there could be one or two new Tasman routes for the A320 at some point next year. Let's hope OJK's entry into service on the Tasman is the catylyst for this....
MillwallSean From Brunei, joined Apr 2008, 1115 posts, RR: 5 Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 10878 times:
Huge sportingday in Asia today. Been all over the press for a few days about the Manchester derby.
I was fortunate to be invited to a teh tarik party at one of Malaysia's dignitaries, the PM. John Key isnt as fancy, a few thousand people for a Manchester derby thats sport Asian style hehe.
The Malaysian PM invited people to his house to watch the game. House is probably not the right word, mansion is better hehe. Big turnout and every opportunist was there.
This PM is a massive United fan so he thought it would be a great opportunity to keep the people happy. He wasnt as happy after 1-6 though.
Spoke to some high brass on business, not for my real business but wanted some more info on aviation and spoke to a few.
The only thing I didn't know they said was that Air Asia X isn't doing good, contrary to PR on Christchurch, and if given a chance they would move it to AKL asap. Its not meeting performance targets.
Wish they would have said more but to many people and to much football talk. Got all the local Malaysia aviation gossip but that's for other threads.
cchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1702 posts, RR: 2 Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 10673 times:
Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 22): The only thing I didn't know they said was that Air Asia X isn't doing good, contrary to PR on Christchurch, and if given a chance they would move it to AKL asap. Its not meeting performance targets.
If AirAsia X (is allowed to) make the move to AKL, then they will likely to have the problem that MH underperforms. The AKL market probably doesn't support 2 carriers to KUL...otherwise NZ would have had AKL-KUL in their network.
aerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 6326 posts, RR: 14 Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 10647 times:
Quoting cchan (Reply 23): The AKL market probably doesn't support 2 carriers to KUL...otherwise NZ would have had AKL-KUL in their network.
Even if there was a market for 2 carriers I'm sure NZ would avoid it given their reluctance to compete with another carrier directly.
25 Unclekoru: Agree, although it's not just O&D traffic is it? Air Asia is competing for some of the same traffic that goes through SIN with JQ and SQ. And if
26 nascarnut: VH-LEP was in TRG Wednesday 19th and Thursday 20th.
27 alangirvan: The official line is that loads are ahead of expectation. There have been events in Christchurch during the last few months that would cause quite a
28 zkojh: ''Air New Zealand Paraparaumu-Auckland service takes off'' I think another place to explore on my next trip to New ZeaLand... Paraparaumu tomorrow bec
29 joelyboy911: I've been trying to do a little research on the Air NZ Link network, and attempting to find which routes have the most turboprop flights per day. Havi
30 Unclekoru: Some of the PM Q300 flights has been replaced by a B1900 during the first few months. I'm sure the Earthquakes haven't helped either.
31 Unclekoru: While subject to much change, I have the following weekly seats per route data (taken from NW sched 11 in Dec). In no particular order (and only a se
32 nascarnut: For those in CBR and PER, an Air NZ A320 will be passing through this week. Aircraft is due in CBR on the evening of the 25th. Will then deprt for PER
34 nascarnut: Yes. I guess the PM is stopping in CBR to chat about the RWC
35 nascarnut: ZK-NBW is finally leaving our shores. Scheduled to depart for LAX on 31st Oct NZ6394 ETD AKL 0015/31 ETA LAX 1615/30 Also 737-400 ZK-JTP is now devoid
36 NZ1: The black one (OAB) is not ETOPS equipped. However, that's not to say we won't have a black A320 at some point that is equipped NZ1
37 aerorobnz: provided the sale to Batavia is finalised. I'm hoping it'll get a PK- register before it buggers off...
38 QF108: Hi all, thought this didnt require a thread of its own and someone in here could help, everyday on Chch airport website flt NZ303 appears as an Intern
39 NZ6: It's an AKL-CHC international service, it carriers the large number passengers who arrive in early in the morning off International flights from Nort
40 QF108: Thanks NZ6 what normally operates the flight, 737 or A320?? Does the aircraft then get rotated back into domestic service or returns to AKL as a ferr
41 aerorobnz: 733. It usually gets integrated in domestic in CHC. Mostly AKL-CHC-ZQN-AKL routing.. Yes it is daily during the summer.
42 QF108: Thanks to you aerorobnz and NZ6 for the fast replies ! Cheers Mark
43 aerokiwi: I was just passingthrough Wellington domestic and noticed a Dash 8 flight to Auckland. Is this a regular thing or just a repositioning? And how long w
44 mariner: Interesting move: FJ To Acquire 3 A330-200s (by cwalt2 Oct 24 2011 in Civil Aviation) mariner
45 QF108: They are scheduled flights aerokiwi, there are 2 today, 11.35 NZ8166 and 16.20 NZ8170 operated by Air Nelson, they are scheduled for 1 hour 20 minute
46 A330NZ: A more up to date schedule (The one for next week) CHC-DUD-CHC 7206 seats per week 106 flights (Some 733s) CHC-IVC-CHC 5908 seats per week 98 flights
47 gasman: Is there really no market for NZ to fly to continental Europe? For the last three years in a row, I have flown J or F class to a destination in contin
48 kiwiandrew: and Brussels. Nevertheless I get the point you are making. Either MUC or ZRH are fantastic connecting airports and *A hubs. I would like to see NZ at
49 A330NZ: Not as often as you (about once every 2 years) and if NZ were flying to continental Europe, they'd probably be my first choice
50 zkojh: NZ won't touch Europe until they got hold of the very nice 787-9's which is sometime in 2014. would have to say think munich , manchester, and Zurich
51 zkojh: ''Air NZ demand hit by World Cup '' A fear that hotels were full because of the Rugby World Cup hit Air New Zealand’s domestic services last month,
52 joelyboy911: Ah, thanks for those figures UncleKoru. Some of those are different than the impression I had gotten (so that's good to know). Considering the routes
53 LondonCity: NZ used to operate AKL-LAX-FRA in the distant past. But the route was dropped some time after year 2000. I wonder why ? See this former posting: Air
54 Kaiarahi: For what it's worth, I think AKL-ORD-BRU would be a great 789 route. There are direct * flights from ORD to 14 European destinations, but only one 5x
55 aerorobnz: May I suggest that the link to Europe should be via South America??? It has to be a route to Europe which doesn't have much, if any competition, or al
56 Kaiarahi: I can't think of a single route that qualifies, unless it were a real oddball (COR-BTS ).
57 gasman: I've seen this suggested many times before - and I don't have the knowledge to disagree - but why???!! Does the Coronation St. tour warrant a 772 eve
58 SunriseValley: It is pretty messy. Something like three or four changes if you go via Reading or two changes including an underground leg via Paddington and Euston
59 david_itl: Perhaps it might be something down to something as mundane as a relatively large amount of passengers currently on the LHR sevices live north of BHX?
60 nascarnut: The AKL-WLG Dash8 flights were extras due to demand on the AKL-WLG-AKL sectors. The flights were added late last weekAir NZ had no more 737 or A320 c
61 ZKEOJ: At an average twice a year. And usually first leg on NZ, and second on LH. The intermediate point changes, depending on fares, availability, and need
62 ZKOJH: more numbers from NZ, School holiday re-jig hurts Air NZ Air New Zealand blames the shifting of the school holidays till October as a reason for a 6.5
63 NZ6: Don't expect much more long haul in the near future, perhaps some new alliance routes My question is what new Tasman routes will we see? Sunshine Coa
64 alangirvan: Continental Europe is codeshare territory for AirNZ. This is why you have the Star Alliance. Why fly to FRA a couple of times a week, when AirNZ can
65 kiwiandrew: I suppose it would be if LH actually flew to GLA. The last time I checked they only served EDI , not GLA. Has that changed recently?
66 gasman: a) because we like NZ and b) because I would prefer give them my cash than EK, SIA and TG, which have received it for the last 3 years. A total of $4
67 Unclekoru: No problem. WLG-NSN-WLG is busy route. More dmand orientated than for positioning. It's estimiated that here are 2,000 Nelson people who commute to W
68 RoseFlyer: When will they be installed? I'm curious since I'm flying LAX-AKL-LAX in December and only got the 777-300 one way. The other is in the nose of the 7
69 cchan: I would be expecting some codeshares with ET via HKG and PEK. On most of the AKL-PMR AT7 flights I was on, there were more passengers than a Q300 wou
70 agent99nzboi: Always high loads on the ATR out of PMR-AKL and AKL-PMR particularly the early flights. Alot of International connections on this route. Operationaly
71 JMM99: Sunshine Coast definitely. Clive Palmer one of richest Australians recently bought Hyatt Coolum. You could almost walk from MCY to Hyatt. He has stat
72 koruman: With regard to the earlier question about Manchester.... The simple fact is that 10 million people live within 100 kilometers of the airport, not just
73 gytr31: An upgrade of the current domestic terminal is planned for Auckland next year and an expansion is being planned for the international terminal, will b
74 joelyboy911: This raises an interesting memory of mine, I seem to recall on some flights AKL-PMR that an announcement was made (this was several years ago, mind,
75 NZ107: Problem is you'll be waiting for them to be designed!
76 cchan: Yes they did. I have been on one of those flights to CHC before, with a stop at PMR. NZ5077 used to continue to CHC, I think.
77 777ER: Could say AKL-PMR is like WLG-CHC in terms of aircraft usage/pax demand where smaller aircraft (Q300s) are used during off peak times with bigger (AT
78 ZKOJH: ''"We have had a team working offshore the last several months, working in both Asia and the Americas, looking to encourage major carriers to consider
79 777ER: DL - I see them as a high chance due to their codeshare with DJ, but then comes the issue of domestic connections as DJ obviously dont fly domestic h
80 joelyboy911: I know! But I'm certain there will be a good market for them, and would be somewhat surprised if they don't announce one in the next few years. True,
81 aklrno: I guess you could read this as an upgrade to the current terminal, but the part about "it has run its course and is in need of significant replacing
82 alangirvan: Since we had the thread last week about ATR72-600s I have read a copy of the publication Airline Business. Their review of turboprops say that ATR and
83 MillwallSean: I disagree on two points here. the catchment area and sustainable O/D to LAX and new Zealand from Manchester. First I'm not a northerner but youre su
84 david_itl: So what you are saying that the 15 to 20 people who want to go to FRA should take greater precedence than the 100 to 150 who want to go to MAN? That
85 A330NZ: NZ could also codeshare with SN SN operates to 21 destinations in Africa and 48 in Europe, so if NZ gets their timing right, they could be a great ch
86 koruman: Would you agree that Auckland Airport is reasonably viewed as the long-haul international airport for residents of Hamilton? Because Hamilton Airport
87 gasman: I take your point, and if there has to be just one "European" destination, it probably should be LHR. However, I for one have bypassed it (and NZ) on
88 mariner: Hmmmm? I must live in a different New Zealand from you blokes. When I first landed here (by boat) less than fifty years ago, less than two generation
89 Unclekoru: Not suggesting that PMR doesn't deserve the AT7, the current set up makes a good deal of sense. NPE and PMR get roughly the same number of seats, and
90 joelyboy911: Did the articles/press releases from NZ explicity state that NPE and NPL were going to become ATR destinations with the new additions, or was that NZ
91 ZKSUJ: Yea I remember a flight on 5073 a few years back where people carried on to CHC
92 Unclekoru: HLZ-PMR-CHC on a Friday night only. Essentially a positioning flight to CHC rather than leaving the aircraft in HLZ overnight. Does it still operate?
93 koruman: I don't deny any of that. In fact, I agree with every single comment. But I think that that market suits Air NZ just fine. I probably fly at the poin
94 kiwiandrew: Although Japan has slowly started moving towards open skies agreements with a number of countries ( US, Australia) the current Japan-NZ bilateral is,
95 gasman: About as comfortable as they'd feel in some East London slum that was populated with immigrants from Eastern Europe or North Africa. Sheesh - in half
96 nascarnut: AA just inked a Code-share with FJ on the LAX-NAN, HNL-NAN and NAN-SUV services while FJ will add 20 cities ex LAX on AA. Pending Government approval
97 SunriseValley: With regard to service to MAN it is worth noting that EK offer about 2000 seats a day from MAN and BHX to DBX and vice versa. There must be a useful n
98 koruman: The thing is, if you go to 99% of Americans they cannot name a single city in New Zealand, and most are probably unaware that New Zealand is a countr
99 Kaiarahi: Whoa - you're leaving out ORD, one of my favourite cities!
100 BlackLabel: I work in an office with 700 Americans. I haven't encountered one who does not know what New Zealand is. You must visit different LA or NYs than I do
101 NZ2: Advice sought re loadings LHR via LAX versus HKG I asked this question a while back with no real advice back hence asking again, my wife and I are goi
102 koruman: I guess so! The LA which I visit had Spanish-speakers outnumber English-speakers for the first time several years ago. It's even on Air NZ's arrival
103 koruman: I have found that it is easier via LAX for Business Premier if there is more than one of you in the party - it's a simple consequence of there being
104 mariner: Public schoolboys are the considerable minority in the UK and I'm mildly surprised you would disparage a whole nation because of one nickname. My nic
106 ZKOJH: French lead surge of supporters through AKL... Auckland Airport had an eight-fold surge in French visitors last month as fans of Les Bleus poured into
107 gasman: I can see how it came across like I was disaparaging a whole nation; let me assure you I wasn't! I was, however, disparaging what Koruman perfectly d
108 koruman: I'd like to take this a step further in terms of illustration. The British ruling classes (I don't mean royalty) are exemplified by the current PM Da
109 MillwallSean: Your numbers state 15-20 german and continental european passengers to NZ daily while also stating 100-150 from the MAN area. Hmm what can I say thos
110 mariner: "unrelated to any sort of merit"? That's fairly damning of the British PM. And Sir Richard Branson, who never went to any of those schools or univers
111 777ER: But NH could get around that rule by using NZ as a Star member for the bookings
112 koruman: Maybe, but it's pretty accurate. And his coalition partner from a centrist party is a clone. My point is that the British class system has led to an
113 mariner: I respectfully disagree. I don't it is remotely accurate. I don't think can blame the British ruling class for that, and the CEO of IAG (British) is
114 kiwiandrew: Sorry, I am not quite sure what you mean by that? If you mean NH could codeshare on the NZ operated services it is my understanding that the current
115 alangirvan: The bilateral can be changed if it suits both sides - and things have moved on since services between NZ and Japan started. Can you believe the first
116 cchan: Aren't these high density config for domestic services? Would anyone want to be in them for 11 hours?
117 kiwiandrew: I would have sworn that the DC-8s started AKL-NAN-NRT in 1980 while the first 747's didn't arrive in the NZ fleet until around the middle of the foll
118 777ER: NH could simply book their pax on NZ services as part of the Star services
119 alangirvan: No the Skymark A380s will only have 397 seats - I just looked on wikipedia. They have only ordered 6 so far, so I do not think NZ will be a priority.
120 MillwallSean: All these airlines have a relatively short hop to their big hub and all these hubs can channel heaps of passengers onwards with a one stop. From the
121 SunriseValley: Virtually zero adds up to about 24 flights a day total to AMS,BRU,FRA and CDG. Not too bad I would say.
122 cchan: I was looking at the departure information screen at WLG, and noticed that the NZ flights to MEL and SYD have some 8-10 codeshares which filled half o
123 aerokiwi: Just received an email from NZ regarding payment of the APD ontop of Airpoint Dollars when upgrading (from any class to another) on flights to the UK.
124 NZ2: The email reads that the tax applies to outbound travel from LHR only
125 aerokiwi: Yes you're right. Still a hefty whack.
126 deconz: it's not from any class - rather from Y to either Y+ or J. The APD tax on departures from the UK is levied at two levels - for travel in the Y cabin
127 aerokiwi: Right again. Sorry, bit wobbly this morning. One of those nights that never really ended So, just to be clear, it means that the APD is charged at th
128 kiwiandrew: Correct, the UK Government set the higher level for anything other than regular economy a number of years ago, it does not distinguish between Y+ and
129 aerorobnz: Exactly. And NZ has been footing the bill for some time. I think it is quite reasonable to expect the passenger to pay the extra. Of course that is o
130 HLZCPH: Hi, anyone know when OJR is expected to arrive in NZ?
131 timb777: If NZ has been 'footing it', then I see it as a fair charge, and am happy to pay it. I wonder if NZ has been deliberately denying comp upgrade reques
132 JMM99: yep, bargain hunters & there seems tobe more & more of them these days.
133 aerorobnz: In the many hundreds of LHR flights I have been running or have flown on I have never ever seen comps denied if there are vacant seats in either U or
134 alangirvan: Just to clarify - AirNZ is the only airline that operates a flight between London and NZ, just as BA and Qantas are the only airlines that operate fl
135 kiwiandrew: It is my understanding that the ADP is based on the ticketed destination. This means that if a ticket is LHR x/DXB AKL the New Zealand level of ADP s
136 deconz: Correct. However, if the ticket included a stopover (exceeding 24 hours) in DXB then APD would only be charged on the first leg.
137 kiwiandrew: Good point John, I forgot about that.
138 koruman: Now that Qantas management has shown its true colours, is Virgin Australia likely to lease NZ's underused 744s for services across the Pacific? The Qa
139 aerorobnz: QF grounding their fleet will be great news for NZ and great PR for NZ. I'm sure this will mean widebody upgauges transtasman until this is resolved.
140 kiwiandrew: Most of QF's Tasman flights are operated by Jetconnect and they aren't grounded ( although the flights they connect to/from in SYD/MEL etc are )
141 joelyboy911: In the other thread it was posted that JQ and JetConnect are not affected by the action - If true NZ doesn't need to do anything on the tasman. As sug
142 macilree: Has anyone got access to and can give details of the trans-Tasman QF flights that are and are not affected? Also the AKL-LAX operations? I think this
144 NZ107: Don't forget those trying to get to USA or beyond - I'm sure that a lot will flood towards those seats still open on those NZ flights out of AKL and
145 aerokiwi: Oh I agree it's right for the pax to pay. Amazing that NZ footed the bill until now. Sigh. Another ridiculous tax.
146 JMM99: How quickly can NZ 744's start flying SYD/LAX/SYD ? Tomorrow ? They could make a fortune for NZ.
147 NZ1: Immediately if required. I would expect our 744's will replace V Aus 777 on SYD/LAX so the 777 can be used internally in Australia. NZ1
148 ZKSUJ: Any of our aircraft also going to be utilized for internal flying within Oz?
149 JMM99: So DJ is talking to NZ now. Could there be an NZ 744 at SYD tomorrow Sunday or would it take til Monday ? How many 744's does NZ have spare ? What ab
150 NZ1: Currently 1 spare 744, with 2 available on some days. Quite feasible to have a 744 in Australia first thing in the morning if required. NZ1
151 JMM99: Great. Hope it happens. Stick it up the greedy unions.
152 NZ107: I bet they wish they had their 4th 77W delivered right now!
153 ZKOJH: Virgin are also on the phone to SQ,Etihiad, and Delta to see what they can get hold off, but best bet is that Rob and the ''HUB'' phones will be very
154 koruman: Chill, everyone. Nothing will be finalised about NZ 744s operating VA flights at this point, because Fair Work Australia may well quash the Qantas loc
155 mariner: Hopefully - and with the trade-off that all industrial action ceases, at least for the 21 days. mariner
156 MillwallSean: I normally support management against unions these days, but Qantas management is just sad. Havent seen something as inept in a long time. I hope NZ
157 mariner: I'm usually he other way round - as an old union man, I'll support the union. But in this particular case - just this one - I find myself on the side
158 A330NZ: Just a heads up for CHC spotters On Tuesday (November 1st) at 1:30pm, Uzbekistan Airways is flying a charter flight from CHC - KUL Unfortunately the a
159 nascarnut: 4th 77W ZK-OKP scheduled to arrive in AKL on the 5th Nov at this stage NZ6391 PAE ETD 1900/04 AKL ETA 0440/05
160 NZ107: Thanks for that.. But is it supposed to be +2 days so either it leave PAE on the 3rd or arrives here on the 6th?
161 ZKOJH: ''Qantas lockout affects Air NZ flights'' Qantas flights to and from New Zealand are running largely as usual, while airline strikes are stopping thou
162 joelyboy911: Would they be switching to Virgin for these services in the long-term plan? Can Virgin help to staff some of these operations now?
164 TravellerPlus: John, the only VH operated Tasman flights were the A330s AKL-SYD (QF114 & QF141) and all services into ZQN. All the rest were ZK operated. Best y
165 deconz: Two different deliveries ... ZK-OJR is a new A320 arriving 13 November. ZK-OKP is a new 77W which we're not sure if it will arrive 5 or 6 November.
166 Unclekoru: Greed hasn't been a one way street at Qantas, remember the details of the proposed private equity buy out?
167 joelyboy911: I know we try to keep politics out of this thread, but I read today about the complaint from Rob Fyfe to Phil Goff about the use of the Air New Zealan
168 macilree: Thanks for that. It looks as though the official Twitter account @QantasAirways was incorrect today when it said: "As such all trans-Tasman services
169 NZ107: There aren't any SYD-ZQN flights on Sundays - it's 2x weekly; Sat and Wed.
170 deconz: I see that when I look on the QF website under timetables. However, on the flight status section under the routing ZQN/SYD departing today it quotes
171 macilree: But Qantas Flight Status is showing both QF121 SYD to ZQN and QF122 ZQN to SYD on 30 October as CANCELLED. Schedule season changes when? I know I sho
172 PA515: But some people just can't resist. What a load of contrived National Party nonsense. Facilitating foreign control of the airline (not foreign ownersh
173 joelyboy911: I just thought it was relevant as it involved Air New Zealand and their trademark. If I'm breaking the rules or disrespecting the nature of the forum
174 mariner: I think Mr. Fyfe did miss the point. He was either being over-protective or, worst case, scoring credits with the other political party. mariner
175 joelyboy911: I doubt he was doing it just to score points with or for the other side. Over-protective is one view, but he is custodian of the company's brand, so
176 nascarnut: Correction Flight will depart PAE @ 1900/03 and arrive in AKL 0440/05
177 SunriseValley: What is involved in readying it for service. Will it be ready by Nov. 7th.?
178 mariner: Air NZ is already a political football in this election, a small part of a bigger plan of asset sales. But it is the one with with perhaps the most f
179 joelyboy911: Yes, but there's nothing obligating Fyfe to allow the logo to be kicked around.
180 mariner: I don't see that it is being "kicked around." The sale of any part of Air NZ is a matter of great concern to me and, as National Party policy, it is
181 KiwiRob: One of the carparks is able to be dismantled and moved to a new location, I can't remember which one it is. And we also have a class system in NZ, wh
182 aerokiwi: Not really. A squiz through the bios of the Rich List paints a different picture. A few Kings alumni but no real pattern of private or exclusive scho
183 ZKOJH: ''Air NZ help affected Qantas fleet'' Big thumbs up to the kiwi's Air New Zealand will help transtasman passengers affected by the grounding of the Qa
184 JMM99: Surely NZ could clean up if it took on SYD/LAX/SYD for example. People are going to be scared to book QF. How many extra seats does an NZ 744 have cf.
185 777ER: Qantas in back in the air as of 5pm today http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/travel...fly-again-but-big-backlog-to-clear
186 JMM99: that's old news. But for how long? Maybe 21 days only, then more strikes.
187 aflyingkiwi: NZ's 744's are 46/29/294 for a total of 379 seats while VA's 77W's are 33/40/280 for a total of 353 seats which is a difference of 23 seats, so overa
188 JMM99: Thought difference would have been greater. Guess a 744 can carry more freight ? Anyway, yields for next fewmonths after 21 days of no strikes/lockou
189 aerorobnz: a typo I presume - as the total is correct . there are 39 U class. actually it's the other way around with a 77W holding more. They take more cargo t
190 aerokiwi: Didn't NZ have to carefully negotiate with local maori over the use of the koru? In which case, I think NZ has every right to be uppity about unsanct
191 mariner: Then we disagree. Air NZ is a publicly owned corporation whose present ownership is subject to political debate, and whose future may depend on the o
192 joelyboy911: They could have mentioned Air New Zealand in another way. The Koru isn't patently necessary to represent Air NZ, is it? What's the real difference be
193 mariner: If you think it was "up yours" then I shrug. It wasn't that to me. mariner
194 byronicle6: Just wondering if anyone knows the likelihood of Qantas's daily A330 service AKL-LAX switching to Jetstar in the near future? And if the Qantas strike
195 NZ6: Maybe CHC ADL or something, PER will always be one stop I think so one stop VIA AKL is great. Stats eh Nope, 77W holds I think 5 pellets more.
197 aerokiwi: They didn't use any of the energy company logos. They could have simply used the aeroplane cartoon without the koru and the message would have got ac
198 mariner: I don't know that I would recognize any of the energy company logos if they had. I'm not even sure that I know what my own energy company's logo is.
199 aerorobnz: Previously it wasn't as much of an option as everyone thinks, there are a lot of NZ based QF frequent flyers paying good money to go to the US - and
200 ZKOJH: ''Direct Japan-Christchurch flights resume'' Air New Zealand resumes its direct services from Japan into Christchurch on Tuesday 1 November, with a Bo
201 ZKEOJ: I am booked on NZ 90 on the 3rd December, and so far I haven't got a schedule change, i.e. it is still listed as non-stop NRT-AKL (10hrs 50 mins)...
202 nascarnut: NZ 90/03DEC is scheduled to operate NRT-CHC-AKL. Dept NRT 1830/03 ARRV CHC 1000/04 Dept CHC 1115/04 Arrv AKL 1235 with 777-200
203 ZKEOJ: Thanks, nascar! I just mixed the dates up - I am leaving CPH on the 3rd, and then NRT on the 4th, arriving on the 5th. Is that non-stop, or is the rou
204 NZ1: Please continue discussion here: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 105 (by NZ1 Nov 1 2011 in Civil Aviation) NZ1
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