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UA 763 Service To Lagos Is Ending?  
User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4141 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 12554 times:
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According to Wikipedia, United's flights 990-991 -- the 763ER with tag-on service from ACC to LOS -- will end on Monday December 19th. That's the same day Continental begins their 772 service from IAH to LOS (flights CO142 and CO143).

Does anyone know it the Washington-Dulles - Lagos service will be returning?

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User currently offlinefrat From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 1101 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 12522 times:

Probably not as long as there is the nonstop flight from IAH to LOS.

User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4141 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 12403 times:
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Quoting frat (Reply 1):
Probably not as long as there is the nonstop flight from IAH to LOS.

A bit of a trek for those living in the northeast of the US.

From IAH to LOS it's 11hr 35mn . From LOS to IAH it's 13hr 5 mn.

Connecting from BOS, EWR, or IAD -- that's two days of travel.  sorry 

[Edited 2011-10-21 13:26:47]

User currently offlinewn700driver From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 12367 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 2):

A bit of a trek for those living in the northeast of the US.

From IAH to LOS it's 11hr 35mn . From LOS to IAH it's 13hr 5 mn.

Connecting from BOS, EWR, or IAD -- that two days of travel.

Yup. If you have to fly Star, seems like it would be better to go through FRA on LH if you're from the NE.


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5638 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 12033 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 2):
A bit of a trek for those living in the northeast of the US.

That's not the market UACO is after.


User currently offlineblueflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3698 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 12019 times:
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Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 2):
A bit of a trek for those living in the northeast of the US.

Most of the premium traffic is probably coming from IAH first, then MSY anyway...



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User currently offlineelmothehobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1534 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 11866 times:

Quoting wn700driver (Reply 3):
Yup. If you have to fly Star, seems like it would be better to go through FRA on LH if you're from the NE.

They aren't going for Northeast traffic, they are going for the Houston-Nigeria oil traffic gold mine, as well as west of the Mississippi traffic going for the same reason: Dallas (Exxon), San Francisco (Chevron), Calgary, Los Angeles, etc...

ACC traffic (particularly business) comes from Washington and New York.


User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4141 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 11793 times:
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Quoting blueflyer (Reply 5):
Most of the premium traffic is probably coming from IAH first, then MSY anyway...

Since this primarily involves only one oil exploration firm, it's putting all their eggs in one basket.

On the other hand, I guess it also opens the possibility of future IAH-LAD and IAH-SSG service as new equipment arrives
.


User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4141 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 11731 times:
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Quoting elmothehobo (Reply 6):
as well as west of the Mississippi traffic going for the same reason: Dallas (Exxon), San Francisco (Chevron), Calgary, Los Angeles

I'm somewhat familiar with the Calgary traffic.

CO is flying 738s YYC-IAH while UA is flying CR7s YYC-ORD and YYC-SFO.

Quite a difference in seats filled.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16691 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 11488 times:

Where's the 763 going ?


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User currently offlineblueflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3698 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 11376 times:
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Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 7):
Since this primarily involves only one oil exploration firm, it's putting all their eggs in one basket.

Quite the contrary, there are a lot of eggs in the basket. There are many oilfield services, drilling and subcontracting companies big and small with activities in Africa based in Houston, such as Noble, Weatherford, Halliburton, Xenergi, etc...

Quoting elmothehobo (Reply 6):
Dallas (Exxon)

Dallas is home to Exxon's corporate offices, but "operational" headquarters are in Houston, if I am not mistaken. DAL is also home to Exxon's Gulfstream fleet, anyway...



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24320 posts, RR: 47
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10944 times:

Will be interesting to watch the new Lagos flight, and also see how DL does as a result on its ATL-LOS service which receives a great deal of feed from Texas, and matter of fact had its flight number listed as a IAH-ATL-LOS flight.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 9):
Where's the 763 going ?

No where. IAD-ACC still operates.



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16691 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10611 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 11):
No where. IAD-ACC still operates.

Gotcha, forgot it was a tag.



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User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4141 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10610 times:
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Quoting blueflyer (Reply 10):
Dallas is home to Exxon's corporate offices, but "operational" headquarters are in Houston,

There are many oilfield services, drilling and subcontracting companies big and small with activities in Africa based in Houston, such as Noble, Weatherford, Halliburton, Xenergi, etc...
*Weatherford* ???

In Houston???

That's news to me -- I need to get out more.


User currently offlinelouA340 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 384 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10537 times:

Quoting wn700driver (Reply 3):
If you have to fly Star, seems like it would be better to go through FRA on LH if you're from the NE.


Would it save time connect through Accra to Lagos instead of going through Europe? You can still fly UA from IAD to ACC and connect onward to LOS. I think there are about 5 or so flights per day in total with Aero Contractors, Air Nigeria and Arik Air.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 5885 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 10110 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 8):
I'm somewhat familiar with the Calgary traffic.

CO is flying 738s YYC-IAH

That is not all oil traffic....alot of the "western" canadian traffic thru IAH is heading to RTB, SJO, LIR, BZE. About 20 seats a day on CO's BZE-IAH are heading to YYC



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User currently offlineavek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4282 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 10061 times:

Quoting wn700driver (Reply 3):
If you have to fly Star, seems like it would be better to go through FRA on LH if you're from the NE.

Depending on connection timings, going through IAH can still make more sense even from major East Coast cities.



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User currently offlineordjoe From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 658 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 10023 times:

Those oil routes are usually packed in the premium sections. Does anyone know if the IAH-LOS will have a PMUA bird with the F cabin. This could be a route that could sustain F.

User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4141 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 9389 times:
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Quoting ordjoe (Reply 17):
Does anyone know if the IAH-LOS will have a PMUA bird with the F cabin. This could be a route that could sustain F.

I went over to www.continental.com -- tried seat maps for a couple dates in December -- pulled up 772ERs with International Business in the front and Economy in the back -- no First.

But both cabins appear to have 'sold' seats.

[Edited 2011-10-21 20:59:47]

User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2356 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9249 times:

Quoting ordjoe (Reply 17):
Those oil routes are usually packed in the premium sections. Does anyone know if the IAH-LOS will have a PMUA bird with the F cabin. This could be a route that could sustain F.

It's a Continental route for now, with CO crews and a PMCO aircraft. When or if this will change is anyone's guess.


User currently offlinewn700driver From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8062 times:

Quoting louA340 (Reply 14):

Would it save time connect through Accra to Lagos instead of going through Europe? You can still fly UA from IAD to ACC and connect onward to LOS. I think there are about 5 or so flights per day in total with Aero Contractors, Air Nigeria and Arik Air

Does Star ally with any of those, or would one have to interline? Even then, yeah it may still be better than going through Europe, but there may still be issues with tight connection timings. OTOH, it may also be a good time/opportunity for Arik to look at joining Star anyway...

Quoting avek00 (Reply 16):

Depending on connection timings, going through IAH can still make more sense even from major East Coast cities.

It may very well, especially if you are originating from anywhere south of about Charlotte. But, OTOH, there are also WX issues, that while not super frequent, are more likely to be problematic going between the NE & IAH, than through Europe or another NE city. I guess it would have to depend on how much time is built into those connections.


User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 5885 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6803 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 18):
But both cabins appear to have 'sold' seats.

2months out on a route to LOS....you should see many seats sold....LOS is often sold out months in advance on LH and KL



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User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4141 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6550 times:
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Quoting wn700driver (Reply 20):
Does Star ally with any of those, or would one have to interline? Even then, yeah it may still be better than going through Europe, but there may still be issues with tight connection timings. OTOH, it may also be a good time/opportunity for Arik to look at joining Star anyway...

Continental.com offers two single-ticket alternatives for sale on their web site:

--CO46 to LH564 with connect at FRA for little more cost than the nonstop -- second day arrival

--CO34 to BA75 with connect at LHR -- costly, but next day arrival

[Edited 2011-10-22 07:59:01]

User currently offlinewashingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6345 times:

I love that once the merger is complete, most of United's "interesting" global routes are going to be spread out among the hubs:
Washington-Accra, Kuwait/Bahrain, and Dubai
Houston-Lagos, Auckland
Newark-Tel Aviv, Delhi, Mumbai, etc


User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6127 times:

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 23):

Don't forget SFO! One of the best Asian gateway hubs out there!



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25 STT757 : Absolutely, SFO is a huge asset to UA. Getting back to Washingtonian's point though, SFO probably has the least "interesting" or rather "unique" dest
26 TOMMY767 : Considering AA has pulled back Euro ops at ORD so much, pretty much anything is unique at this point for UA that AA doesn't fly to. There is some unr
27 washingtonian : IAH? Lagos and Auckland soon, but what else? I guess I don't consider 737s to random south-of-the-border cities to be exotic international flights. C
28 kgaiflyer : Hard to say whether this is city pride or the passive-aggressive path we always wind up going down with CO-UA threads. We are one company, yes? With
29 SonomaFlyer : Any CO versus UA bitterness still on these boards needs to stop; I'd old, boring and pointless. There isn't enough traffic (I think) to justify two UA
30 kgaiflyer : More than that -- if one company has the ability to fly a nonstop and a one-stop to the same destination -- and *both* have premium cabins -- then th
31 FlyCaledonian : With the ACC-LOS tag ending, is there any liklihood of UA looking at a new tag? Say Abuja (Nigeria's capital) or Abidjan (Ivory Coast's capital)?
32 washingtonian : Who knows. PMUA management seemed to love tags; PMCO not (and they are running things for the most part now).
33 kgaiflyer : Either are possibilities. Years ago when GH flew out of BWI, first stop was BJL and ACC was the tag-on. As far as I know, all traffic from the Washin
34 usflyer msp : Arik attempting to join *A would make AI's attempt look well executed. If Asky ends up joining Star along with ET, LFW might be an interesting (and v
35 Post contains images wn700driver : Maybe. But honestly I was surprised by the whole AI messup. Star will take anyone. Seriously. I think I saw a '77 Pinto the other day that was now a
36 yellowtail : CO has some routes that others have tried and failed at.....MID is a good example.....and are very strong on some others....like RTB..that others str
37 blueflyer : If the CO/UA service to LOS didn't exist, would there be decent connections through the Houston Express or would travelers have to connect through Eur
38 usflyer msp : The Houston Express goes to Equatorial Guinea and Angola not Nigeria. It is not a factor at all in the IAH-Nigeria market. Most IAH-Nigeria traffic c
39 blueflyer : I know that. I realize I didn't make my question clear enough. I wanted to know whether there are decent connections to Nigeria (and others) with the
40 Drerx7 : Another thing of note is that IAH-LOS also has HUGE VFR traffic in addition to the oil traffic. I just came from one of my Nigerian buddies weddings w
41 STT757 : You misinterpreted what I was trying to say, I was pointing out that EWR, IAH AND IAD have more "unique" international routes than SFO and ORD. What
42 United1 : I think YXU is the only international destination served exclusivity from ORD.
43 Post contains links and images kgaiflyer : According to Wikipedia, the two 744s the Houston Express experiment uses were provided by Sonangol National Petroleum of Angola and their subsidiary
44 washingtonian : Fair enough. When I said unique international destinations, I meant routes from hubs that you might be surprised by. Obviously SFO is going to have a
45 Post contains links wingsofman72 : If anyone is interested..here is a video of this flight taking off from ACC to LOS a few weeks ago. It does show how quick a 763 can take off on a sho
46 Sulley : I've never seen more than 50 people booked to LOS from ACC.
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