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Australian Aviation Thread 55  
User currently offlineTN486 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 915 posts, RR: 2
Posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 19816 times:

Good evening all. Feeling very lazy at present, so here is our new thread and any reference to previous discussions can be made by referring to:. Australian Aviation Thread #54 (by TN486 Sep 17 2011 in Civil Aviation). Interesting times ahead for QF and DJ, please continue your discussions here, cheers


remember the t shirt "I own an airline"on the front - "qantas" on the back
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User currently offlineBen175 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 675 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 19663 times:

Just over two weeks until CZ commences their innaugral PER services. I'm very excited to see a new airline in PER.

Does anyone know how long the BA 777 chartered by the Queen will stay for in PER during CHOGM? Any other impressive aircraft to spot over the week?


User currently offlinejetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 9 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 19448 times:

Qantas Airways Ltd. has gained approval from Singapore's Economic Development Board to establish a premium subsidiary carrier in the city state, prompting protests from Singapore Airlines Ltd.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/qan...irks-singapore-airlines-2011-10-23



Where's the passion gone out of the airline industry? The smell of jetfuel and the romance of taking a flight....
User currently offlineTruemanQLD From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 1512 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 9 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 19317 times:

Quoting jetfuel (Reply 2):

SQ is protesting, yet at Tiger in Australia? Exciting for QF, SIN will prove a great hub, though I wish it would have been a Chinese hub! Oh well!


User currently offlinevaustralie From Australia, joined Jul 2010, 182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 9 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 19217 times:

Quoting jetfuel (Reply 2):
prompting protests from Singapore Airlines Ltd.

Did they protest when Jetstar Asia started up... ? Or is it just becayse this new carrier will be premium ?



a346
User currently offline747m8te From Australia, joined Aug 2008, 437 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 9 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 19201 times:

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 3):
SQ is protesting, yet at Tiger in Australia? Exciting for QF, SIN will prove a great hub, though I wish it would have been a Chinese hub! Oh well!

...they could set up a couple of asian hubs? SIN and HKG would both work quite well. SIN for connections to south east asia as well as its use to QF as a long haul hub, while HKG is perfect location connecting through to mainland china, south korea and japan.

When you say you were hopeing for a chinese hub, are you thinking the likes of PVG or PEK? HKG actually would work better, for pax say flying to HGH or NGB for example, connecting via HKG pax can be through checked to final destination, where as going via a hub in mainland china, like PEK or PVG for example, pax cannot be through checked onto domestic routes to get to these destinations (have to clear baggage at first point of entry into mainland china due customs rules). So the transit process isn't as quick for connections like HKG can be.

SIN does make sence...question is would QF really want to enter its oneworld partner CXs turf? these airlines should be working closer together with codeshares rather then competing.



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User currently offlinealangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 9 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 19136 times:

one clue from what Bruce Buchanan said - the new Jetstar Singapore Beijing flight is not meant to be a through flight between Beijing and Melbourne, even though it has a through flight number. It is intended to get passengers connecting between Indonesia and Beijing - this is what Jetstar sees as a big market.

If there is business traffic between Indonesia and China, I would think Singapore Airlines (among others) would already be carrying it - Singapore Airlines has some four daily flights on SIN-PEK with big planes. Jetstar must think SQ are seriously overcharging people for flying this route.

If RedQ starts operating out of SIN - and BB has said that the A320neo will have the range to do SIN-PEK - is BB expecting to take Business Class passengers out of SQ? If he provides connections between Jakarta and Singapore to Beijing, will people really want to sit in a sleeper seat between CGK and SIN (90 minute flight)?

IF (IF) it turns out that Qantas are on to a winner, and surprises everyone, the easy way for SQ to respond would be to turn Silkair into a Premium carrier. They can operate the same A320neos as RedQ.


User currently offlinenascarnut From New Zealand, joined Oct 2008, 276 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (2 years 9 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 19116 times:

An Air NZ A320 will be in CBR on the evening of the 25th, then departing for PER around Lunch-time on the 26th. Will then position back to CHC via EL on the vening of the 26th,

User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2916 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 9 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 19084 times:

Quoting alangirvan (Reply 6):
one clue from what Bruce Buchanan said - the new Jetstar Singapore Beijing flight is not meant to be a through flight between Beijing and Melbourne, even though it has a through flight number. It is intended to get passengers connecting between Indonesia and Beijing - this is what Jetstar sees as a big market.

The funny thing about this was the big deal they tried to make of it in the media as a 'win' for MEL travellers. It was so badly executed that most in a few minutes could see straight through it for what it really was. If they wanted to spin a positive, atleast do it well.

Quoting Ben175 (Reply 1):
Just over two weeks until CZ commences their innaugral PER services. I'm very excited to see a new airline in PER.

Will be great to see PER get more service. Love it over there.

Quoting jetfuel (Reply 2):
Qantas Airways Ltd. has gained approval from Singapore's Economic Development Board to establish a premium subsidiary carrier in the city state, prompting protests from Singapore Airlines Ltd.

Protests from its own workers, Singapore Airlines and likely half the globe at this rate. Will be an interesting ride  


User currently offlinevaustralie From Australia, joined Jul 2010, 182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 9 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 18952 times:

Quoting nascarnut (Reply 7):
An Air NZ A320 will be in CBR on the evening of the 25th, then departing for PER around Lunch-time on the 26th. Will then position back to CHC via EL on the vening of the 26th,

Do you know why it is here? And what time it will be arriving in CBR? and around lunch time departure on the wednesday?
Gosh, CBR has never seen so much action! First BA 777 and now an NZ A320?! Whats next??
I think I need to lie down..      

(Yes, you do get bored of the QF Link Dash 8's and QF 734 and the occasional 738 - although DJ new livery is always cool to see)

[Edited 2011-10-24 02:59:31]


a346
User currently offlineTruemanQLD From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 1512 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 9 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 18864 times:

Quoting vaustralie (Reply 9):
Do you know why it is here? And what time it will be arriving in CBR? and around lunch time departure on the wednesday?
Gosh, CBR has never seen so much action! First BA 777 and now an NZ A320?! Whats next??
I think I need to lie down..      

(Yes, you do get bored of the QF Link Dash 8's and QF 734 and the occasional 738 - although DJ new livery is always cool to see)

I would assume it's the NZ PM heading over for the Commonwealth event that the Queen is here for. Probably stopping in Canberra for some formalities on the way  


User currently offline747m8te From Australia, joined Aug 2008, 437 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 9 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 18763 times:

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 10):
I would assume it's the NZ PM heading over for the Commonwealth event that the Queen is here for.

I thought the NZ PM might be coming over to brag about the rugby   



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User currently offlinealangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (2 years 9 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 18641 times:

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 10):
I would assume it's the NZ PM heading over for the Commonwealth event that the Queen is here for. Probably stopping in Canberra for some formalities on the way

If the All Blacks managed to defeat Australia in the RWC (which happened, just in case the people who follow AFL did not hear about it) the NZ PM and the Australian PM had a bet that the PM of the losing country would have to eat an apple produced in the winning country. So the A320 would have landed at Canberra so he could drop off a case of nice NZ apples.


User currently offlineqfa787380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (2 years 9 months 5 days ago) and read 18591 times:

Quoting alangirvan (Reply 12):
So the A320 would have landed at Canberra so he could drop off a case of nice NZ apples.

Hopefully some non-diseased ones 


User currently offlinejupiter2 From Australia, joined Jan 2001, 883 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 9 months 5 days ago) and read 18582 times:

An apple, Mmmmmm, that's easy fixed, just get quarantine to declare it a hazard and destroy it !!
Sure has been plenty of extra capacity between AKL and SYD in the last day or two, no doubt for the rugby and most of them probably wearing black and heading back to Bondi, etc.
For those in SYD, Cargolux has returned with a weekly flight on Saturdays, coming from the U.S and returning to LAX nonstop. rumoured to become a 748 in the near future.


User currently offlinealangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (2 years 9 months 5 days ago) and read 18574 times:

Quoting qfa787380 (Reply 13):
For those in SYD, Cargolux has returned with a weekly flight on Saturdays, coming from the U.S and returning to LAX nonstop. rumoured to become a 748 in the near future.

Perhaps some ad hoc stops in Auckland to pick up NZ apples for the Sydney market. (It should be a stop at CHC so they can pick up some nice Central Otago varieties.)


User currently offlinejupiter2 From Australia, joined Jan 2001, 883 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (2 years 9 months 5 days ago) and read 18545 times:

Funny man Alan, but we have plenty of excellent apples right here thankyou !!
SYD has seen a big increase in cargo in recent times though, extra flights by SQ and CX, the new LX flight, new weekly flights by EK and TG, adhocs by QF and 5X is up to 8 a week (had 3 in one day last week). All adds up to a lot of extra main deck capacity.


User currently offlineeaglefarm4 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 428 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 9 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 18413 times:

Saw this on another forum re Skytrans TWB-SYD

Plans for air services take off

Adam Davies | 20th October 2011


THE Toowoomba business community has applauded a proposal by Skytrans to operate regular passenger flights out of Toowoomba airport.

Proposed daily flights to Sydney, Roma and Gladstone are due to commence by January.

Senior Skytrans executives met with business leaders at City Hall on Tuesday, where the plans were unveiled.

Local business owner and Toowoomba Chamber of Commerce president Geoff McDonald said regular services were long overdue.

"This is very exciting news for not only the business community, but also for the people of Toowoomba," Mr McDonald said.

"Regular services have been long overdue and it will certainly open up a plethora of opportunities for the city," he added.

The Chamber, along with The Chronicle, launched a campaign two weeks ago requesting the community to register their support and interest in destinations prior to Tuesday's meeting.

"Skytrans were shocked at the level of community support and feedback that was received by the Chamber within such a short period.

"They were certainly surprised and now realise that there is overwhelming interest and a market here for services.

"I have to applaud The Chronicle for their support in this matter. It has been fantastic," Mr McDonald said.

Despite the services being largely targeted to business and industry personnel, Mr McDonald said that it was the first step to further connecting Toowoomba with the rest of the country.

"Skytrans have made it quite clear that they are not targeting the leisure market to begin with.

"Apart from the mining and resources sector, a huge amount of interest was shown from businesses such as the University of Southern Queensland.

"However, as the services become established that certainly will most likely change," Mr McDonald said.



tourismman
User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2948 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (2 years 9 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 18280 times:

Quoting 747m8te (Reply 11):
I thought the NZ PM might be coming over to brag about the rugby   

They should use the All Blacks plane!!


User currently offlineshnoob940 From Australia, joined Sep 2008, 185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 9 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 18161 times:

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 17):
Skytrans TWB-SYD

Beauty!!! Can't wait for that!

Plus, VH-TJJ, QF 734 has been sent to storage at AVV

gibbo



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User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2916 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 9 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 18143 times:

Quoting jupiter2 (Reply 14):
For those in SYD, Cargolux has returned with a weekly flight on Saturdays, coming from the U.S and returning to LAX nonstop. rumoured to become a 748 in the near future.

Were Cargolux previously flying into MEL?

Quoting jupiter2 (Reply 16):
SYD has seen a big increase in cargo in recent times though, extra flights by SQ and CX, the new LX flight, new weekly flights by EK and TG, adhocs by QF and 5X is up to 8 a week (had 3 in one day last week). All adds up to a lot of extra main deck capacity.

Certainly has increased dramatically of late.

SYD tends to do well with freight when the dollar is higher with more imports, wheras MEL seems to do better when its lower due to a more export driven market. Strange but I guess thats the nature of the individual markets.

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 17):
Proposed daily flights to Sydney, Roma and Gladstone are due to commence by January.

Very interesting indeed, especially the SYD flight.


User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3033 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (2 years 9 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 18103 times:

Hey, I don't know if this has been discussed/asked before.

Yesterday, I drove from the domestic terminal at PER to the international terminal on the newish road that lets one bypass using Tonkin Hwy.

On the way there I saw that they were building what looks like a viewing platform or something similar, which would have great views of runway 03/21. Can anybody confirm that this is a viewing platform? I drove by pretty quick so I might be mistaken.

If it is, when will it open?

-CXfirst



From Norway, live in Australia
User currently offlinejupiter2 From Australia, joined Jan 2001, 883 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 9 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 17997 times:

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 20):
Were Cargolux previously flying into MEL?

Yes they did for quite a few years too. That flight started around the same time the original SYD flight started which only lasted a few months. Sounds like this one though is for a specific forwarder, the flight to SYD comes from ORD and as I mentioned earlier heads back nonstop to LAX, so obviously they are not expecting big loads out of SYD. The aircraft routes through Asia on the way to the U.S. then to SYD, then back to Luxemburg through the U.S. quite some routing for the aircraft.

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 20):
Certainly has increased dramatically of late.

SYD tends to do well with freight when the dollar is higher with more imports, wheras MEL seems to do better when its lower due to a more export driven market. Strange but I guess thats the nature of the individual markets.

SYD is probably in the better position as the import hub, especially from the U.S. as seen by the number of freighters that operate into SYD from the U.S. particularly with regard to FX and 5X, both of which have large sorting hubs here. The flights usually arrive mid afternoon and it allows next day delivery for all customs cleared freight the next day for the vast majority of the country, plus N.Z.. There are also more connections to Pacific Islands from SYD than MEL.

For the rest who operate freighters into SYD, most do so into MEL as well, sometimes as a tag on, the exception is KE and EK.

Having said that, freighters from this country still carry mostly air !!


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4856 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (2 years 9 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 17966 times:

Could someone please shed some light on the current ground works which have commenced around SYD....
I have noted a lot of work being carried out at various spots.... I know there is a NEW Airport Hotel currently under construction and probably new stand off areas for aircraft...
Would be nice to see images of the plans...

EK413



Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. We are tonight’s entertainment!
User currently offlineTruemanQLD From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 1512 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 9 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 17946 times:

Can't find the link but rumour is going around that Vietnam Airlines is looking to buy the 70% not owned by QF in Jetstar Pacific. Initially I was against the idea, as reduces competition, however it appears that Vietnam doesnt want competition and has been trying to block JQ at every turn, so if they are part of Vietnam Airlines it will allow the airline to grow. It would also be interesting to see if any arrangements between QF and VN were to emerge.

25 qf002 : VN buying out JQ would be a move to shut down their Vietnam operations -- they wouldn't be buying to expand, they'd be buying to curb a threat before
26 JMM99 : FJ to get 3 x new 332's in March 2013. Could this mean they will hub over NAN, like NZ do over AKL esp to SFO & YVR ? Apparently NZ gets lots of p
27 NZ107 : Most likely they'll just continue the routes that are offered right at this present time.
28 JMM99 : they are talking about new routes. Perhaps PER/NAN/LAX? PER is where the money is.[Edited 2011-10-25 16:04:13]
29 qf002 : They're going to need more planes then... I agree PER a couple of times a week isn't a bad option.
30 JMM99 : Why would they need more widebodies ? Not talking daily. Could work if as little as twice a week. Surprised than NZ don't have some PER/AKL & AKL
31 qf002 : Well I'm not 100% up to date with their capacity or schedules, but even a two weekly NAN-PER flight (which is all I was suggesting) will utilise 2 fu
32 The Coachman : Think about when the PER-AKL flight would have to depart in order to connect to 1715 and 1915 departures to SFO and LAX. Then compare this against of
33 alangirvan : People from Perth are used to flying to the USA via Asia. They have done that for years.
34 vaustralie : That would make sense Do you know when they land? And does anybody know how VC's rebranding is going?
35 jupiter2 : Vaustralie, don't have it with me, but from memory it is around 1500 on Saturday and departure at 1900 same night. The inaugural last week however did
36 Post contains images vaustralie : Thanks for that, when I finally go on holidays I might go check it out! Cargolux is one I've not seen yet
37 JMM99 : fair enough. PER/NAN then. NAN a lot safer than good old Bali & no drug issues.
38 jupiter2 : PER/NAN ?? Why ?? Why waste an aircraft for 2 days when it could actually be making money on the existing routes or more likely tourist targets such a
39 JMM99 : What coup ? Last one postponed for rugby, which is far more important in Fiji. Connecting at BNE or SYD from domestic to international (& v.v.) i
40 eaglefarm4 : I agree PER-NAN-LAX will never work. Anyway Alliance put their first Fokker 70 VH-QQX into service today on a FIFO resource charter BNE-MKY-BNE. Anoth
41 jupiter2 : JMM99, hey I know you are just exploring options, you have every right to. You do come up with some reasonable ideas at times, but sometimes, well the
42 JMM99 : No don't agree. People in general want nonstops because of the all the useless time consuming nonscience like so called security these days at airpor
43 The Coachman : PER-NAN is longer than PER-AKL on the great circle route by approximately 600 miles. PER-NAN great circle route takes it almost right over BNE. Most
44 Bluebird191 : Non stops are always the way to go for a numer of reasons - arrival time, length of flight, etc. You need to consider all the variables before going
45 Ben175 : Agreed 100%. As much as I would love to see FJ in PER (and hey, i'm a a dreamer!), it's just not going to happen. We'll see NZ PER-CHC direct years b
46 JMM99 : DPS is nothing like Fiji. Insult to Fijians. Total different markets. DJ did fly ADL/NAN for a while IIRC. A weekly NAN/ADL/NAN could work surely ?
47 mariner : I'll take a one-stop instead of a non-stop any time - and usually give myself a break at the stop as well. On any long journey, I don't see the point
48 6thfreedom : i think you have answered your question.. if DJ did it, and then cancelled it, who else do you think would do it and why would it work? it wasn't tha
49 CXfirst : I drove past PER airport today, and saw a couple nice visitors for CHOGM, and somebody here break down for me the planes there. I could see a Sri Lank
50 Bluebird191 : I dont quite see how they are different markets - both are island beach destinations. Only difference is Bali is in Indonesia and is very anti-drugs,
51 alangirvan : If I remember rightly, the CZ flights operate PER-CAN-PEK. So you already have DIRECT flights, where you sit on the same plane to your destination. N
52 747m8te : Yeah DJ tried it, briefly, and soon realised the market was too small, and more effective to just connect their pax via BNE. Same reason why flight f
53 Post contains images qf002 : Except families with young children of course... What about with the support of QF like FJ have out of SYD/BNE/MEL. I think it could be an interestin
54 Post contains links eaglefarm4 : AUST-Bali has grown 25% in past 12 months.QF002 i suggest you check your facts. http://www.visit-indonesia.com.au/Articlesaboutindonesia.php
55 Bluebird191 : I can honestly say I havent - I dont want to go to Balu because of the endless party atmosphere, and Fiji is plain not attractive. If I want a relaxi
56 Post contains links mariner : Suva's the pits, I'll grant you, but there are parts of Fiji that are beautiful, especially the out islands - they shot "The Blue Lagoon" on Turtle a
57 NTLDaz : It's really not hard to get away from the party atmosphere. Just avoid the Kuta area.
58 JMM99 : I was talking nonstops from eg. PER/NAN, not SYD/LAX. Who wants to go through all the hassles of changing terminals at BNE or even worse SYD. It's al
59 mariner : I thought I had made the point that I would. I like one-stops and I don't mind changing terminals. I like airports, I like looking at planes. One mo'
60 JMM99 : Hey just trying to work out where FJ's new routes will be, come MAR 13 when they get 3 brand new A332's.
61 mariner : It doesn't get 3 brand new aircraft on March 13. The aircraft start to arrive in 2013 and, in the first instance, will replace the aircraft on the pr
62 mariner : The entire Qantas fleet - international and domestic - has been grounded and a lock-out begins on Monday. That CEO has big iron balls, I'll give him t
63 koruman : But he is a lousy manager. Qantas management has allowed this situation to become unnecessarily polarised. But at the end of the day there are two si
64 mariner : Unusually for me (I don't usually bet), I'll lay money that he wins. mariner
65 koruman : I won't. We have a Labor government in Australia which is not that far from an election and needs to retain its core constituency. The situation is s
66 Airvan00 : Didn't the government say the other day, "sort it out or we will sort it out for you" We are a long way from an election, it is not due till end Nove
67 mariner : Since you and I have a diametrically different view of most things, I'm not surprised. And - again - let us not forget that he isn't acting on his ow
68 qf002 : I agree. If Fair Work Australia get involved and go through the arbitration process then the final judgement will be a fair reflection of the facts.
69 Airvan00 : I think they will be involved very quickly: Quote "The Prime Minister, Julia Gillard, tonight announced she will intervene in the dispute, launching
70 Ben175 : I was at PER today to see the Queen fly back to the Motherland. The BA 772 is an absolutely stunning plane, but nothing came close to the gorgeous Air
71 NTLDaz : Is what he is saying true ? It's a brave move to always take one side. Then again he can sail off into the sunset never needing to work again unlike
72 JMM99 : of course Qantas will win, otherwsie they might as well stay grounded forever.
73 qf002 : For him to be basically asking for the help of the government/FWA, who will trawl through finances etc then he can't be too worried about being calle
74 Post contains images 747m8te : That sums it up nicely! Best move QF could have taken, now something has to happen, and the government has to pay attention. Too right!
75 Post contains links mariner : Does anyone know if this Is additIonal flying by Strategic?: http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-...bit-of-a-drama-20111030-1mqhf.html "He followed it
76 Post contains links and images smi0006 : Now that Qantas is back in they air maybe some time for some good news from the airline? The first newly reconfigured 744 started flights on the 17th
77 Post contains images qf002 : Here is the photo of the J seats: No leather, but the same seats as the new A332's. Looks a bit bland I think overall, but still a good step up in ha
78 JMM99 : Heard from someoen at VC that they are putting on lots of domestic services to "help" with the backlog. Wonder when they started ? Could they have flo
79 Post contains images pugsley : The new J class on QF VH-VZT. Taken a couple of days ago during a turn around in MEL, its taken me a while to work out how to post a picture. I like t
80 eta unknown : Love the red "pleather"!
81 eaglefarm4 : China Southern added Beijing to their BNE flight today and a spokesperson for the airline believed daily flights will happen soon.
82 Tassieboy : Personally, I think the QF BSI is a bit bland, the business class seats are disgusting too lol
83 vhebb : Apparently all the domestic fleets biz seats will be converted to red leather... Anyone know more?
84 Post contains images TruemanQLD : I like the new look, glad to see PTV now
85 jetfuel : That business class looks very down market. I would expect a larger IFE screen and just a more luxury feel VA 777 operating SYD-MEL today as well
86 Ben175 : SQ are starting to bring back the retrofitted (SR) series 77Es to PER over the summer. I'm booked on SQ224 12 Jan and the aircraft is one of these bir
87 koruman : I flew on the new 738 late last week, and here is my feedback for anyone who is interested: The cabin looks nice, and modern. The interior is lovely -
88 qf002 : Wow that's very nice! Now can we please get some colour down the back too Qantas? Time to leave the grey behind... What range of content on DJ? Live2
89 eaglefarm4 : Air Pacific operated it's first flight with it's recently delivered 73H DQ-FJM to Brisbane today.This is it's first flight since delivery from Air Ber
90 IndianicWorld : Looks like HU will cancel it's SYD services on the 13th Feb 2012. They don't seem to have done well on their SZX flights which they commenced to a num
91 Post contains links and images CXfirst : Air Australia Livery View Large View MediumPhoto © fleeView Large View MediumPhoto © Norman Yusof I do like it, but it almost seems that the money t
92 eaglefarm4 : The aircraft arrived BNE around 1 am this am and the media announcement is at 11am today in their hangar in pandanus avenue.Apparently other announcem
93 ditzyboy : What was the length of your flight? Sectors under a certain duration have reduced content (no movies) on the 73H and domestic 332s. This system is a
94 jupiter2 : The talk is that HX will be doing HKG/SYD next N.S, so the lovely livery of HU will not be lost entirely. The plan at one stage was for HU to do 3 we
95 Post contains images Zkpilot : Not sure if this has been posted yet but the new Air Australia livery looks great as does the uniform (or more specifically the girl wearing it!... WO
96 viasa : Beautiful livery of the aircraft, a nice uniform and a very pretty flight attendant...
97 Post contains links mariner : For me, there's an interesting little hint in the press release which I missed yesterday: http://www.ausbt.com.au/air-australi...forms-routes-frequen
98 Zkpilot : Mariner, I think chances are it will be Hawaiian.
99 mariner : That was the first one that came to my mind, too. It makes a lot of sense. I think the legacies are tied up already and Allegiant won't have a premiu
100 RyanairGuru : The problem with SZX is that it is right next to CAN and HKG, and you can drive/ferry to both in under an hour. Kudos to HU trying, but CX and CZ are
101 RyanairGuru : I have just done a search for flights CBR-LHR next June/July and was really surprised that Virgin Australia would have me route on SQ. I was under the
102 IndianicWorld : HA have a partnership with VA/DJ, so not so sure it really does make that much sense. There's numerous US options that fly extensive networks to the m
103 qf002 : The two partnerships would serve very different purposes. I see it working quite well actually, perhaps ending up as a three way partnership with VA
104 TruemanQLD : Now, as many of you would know (and probably hate), I am an avid QF supporter. However, I recognise that times are changing in the aviation industry,
105 Julian773 : Alaska would make sense IMHO. They cover lots of major West Coast cities and have announced new Hawaiian routes recently IIRC. I hope Air Australia w
106 747m8te : You are right, British Airways seems to be the one that makes the most sence, a merger between these two airlines would help greatly with their strug
107 Post contains links BNE : V Australia are switching terminals at LAX from TBIT to Terminal 5. Important Information for V Australia Guests Travelling to Los Angeles
108 RyanairGuru : Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but this only applies to arrivals right? Departures will continue to be from Terminal 3 (the Alaska Airlines termina
109 Post contains links JMM99 : I think that's obviously the plan but don't hink it's sorted yet. Allegiant would make sense though, as similar LCC models. Allegiant fly to LAX, LAS
110 Post contains links mariner : Sorry - very different models. Most obviously, Allegiant does not have a premium cabin and does not offer connecting or one stop flights. http://www.
111 JMM99 : Air Australia's model is apparently, to buy everything, food, drinks, checked baggage, probably preferred seating. How is that different from Allegia
112 mariner : I believe it is offering one checked bag free and I haven't heard it will charge for preferred seating. Allegiant is much close to Ryanair in model w
113 alangirvan : I do not know if it is a good thing, but the next development could be Qantas joining a multinational group like IAG. This is a bit more involved tha
114 Post contains images vaustralie : I think the uniform and the livery look fantastic, I'll certainly fly them Will they be keeping the VC code? Does anybody expect/think they will expa
115 IndianicWorld : They will expand if things go well. Of those listed routes: BNE-PER - A possibility (Still 3 competitors though and is a long sector) MEL/BNE-SYD - N
116 alangirvan : If Air Australia had moved really quickly, they could have moved into some of the markets that Tiger dropped. If they only went into some of those mar
117 Post contains images vaustralie : Okay, but if VC offer a better product do you think they could take customers away? Having said that, TT is all about low price but honestly their pr
118 eaglefarm4 : BNE will now be their main A320 base, no longer JH at MEL then i would assume weekly A320 maintenance would be done at BNE .Therefore the Perth based
119 Post contains links mariner : I thought MEL-BNE had already been announced. It's in the very original press release: http://www.flystrategic.com.au/LinkC...fileticket=Q1h0FKrkxEA%
120 eaglefarm4 : Yes but not the schedule or fares .
121 Post contains images vaustralie : By any chance do you know if it is a full flight for JQ? Yes I thought it was.. I want to see their product, I want to fly it [Edited 2011-11-06 01:1
122 747m8te : I wonder if we might see them creating a mini hub in DRW like JQ for flights onto south east asia, funnel pax from BNE, MEL (and possible other ports
123 CXfirst : Can anyone tell me what routes Virgin's ATR's are flying? I would love to sample them soon. -CXfirst
124 Post contains images mariner : I think a base at DRW would be great and I think there are several places that could be easily reached that other airlines don't serve - Lombok, Bali
125 eaglefarm4 : The ATR'S are flying BNE-Gladstone and BNE-Port Macquarie currently as well as SYD-Canberra and SYD-Port Macquarie.BNE-Emerald to commence 16 Jan .
126 jetfuel : Air Australia is in no position for rapid expansion. Strategic has been losing money and in its own right was cash flow negative last year. They have
127 eaglefarm4 : They also said in the article you are quoting from that they expected to make a small profit this year. I agree however that rapid expansion won't be
128 BNE : You are correct in that LAX arrivals are now into T5, while LAX departures are still from T3. In April 2012 V Australia will be making the full trans
129 koruman : As someone who "has to" go from southeast Queensland to Hawaii a lot - it's a tough job, but someone's got to do it - I'm curious to see how Air Aust
130 mariner : I don't know who REALDEAL is, but no US LCC flies to HNL - or anywhere in Hawaii. So it is not possible for Air Australia to team up with any LCC. ma
131 RyanairGuru : He was referring to JMM99 who seems to think that Allegiant are about to take over the Hawaii-Mainland market, and (even more bizarrely) that an airl
132 Post contains links mariner : For the the first part of that JMM99 is quite correct - Allegiant does intend to serve Hawaii, it is why it purchased 757's. But it is still waiting
133 SOLENT : There was a white A340 parked at BNE (old Airport terminal) where Strategic/Air Australia park, when I flew in at 1630 yesterday. Who does it belong t
134 Shnoob940 : I saw it on Saturday evening too.
135 koruman : Actually, I put it down to poor airline management. A gentleman named Alan Joyce was in charge of Qantas group network planning. And we have a situat
136 packersfan : I noticed that FJ have only 3 rotations thru LAX for a number of weeks, and I wondered if they may be putting a 744 thru maintenance during this time
137 Post contains images 747m8te : Adagold doing military charters yes I beleive one of their 747s is currently undergoing maintenance (D checks I think)
138 TruemanQLD : Oh right, so you have facts/evidence to support this? Yes? Now I am not saying that you arent right, you very well could be, I would just like to see
139 NZ107 : Last time they did that, they wetleased a UA 744.. I suppose that's not happening again this time - would love to see another UA 744 in AKL.
140 Post contains images 747m8te : This is a bit of a quiet time before the christmas holidays, so there maybe no need. The capacity isn't needed just now, though come next month they
141 packersfan : Thanks for that 747m8te. I guess they will be needing both online quite soon as they go back to five per week coming to Xmas. A D check must be a hea
142 747m8te : Actually, I think the 747 in question (...don't have the rego handy atm) has been out since early to mid last month, so shouldn't be far off being re
143 Ben175 : CZ's innaugral PER service arrives tomorrow morning! Interesting that it's showing PEK as the origin and not CAN on the official Perth Airport website
144 Zkpilot : QF were not the only airline affected by the 787 delays.... QF could have easily done what other airlines have done and refitted several of their 763E
145 Post contains images vaustralie : Congrats to CZ I was thinking a bit and I wondered if DJ A330 would stay "Coast to Coast" forever, as I would have thought that having one on the rou
146 koruman : ] OK, a couple of issues there. Qantas/Jetstar's number of seats and proportion of business / premium economy / economy seats has barely changed sinc
147 tullamarine : Today's AFR reports that VA has decided not to exercise its option for a 6th 77W and will not launch BNE-AUH with its own metal as previously planned.
148 RyanairGuru : True but having flown QF to HNL and left on a HA A330, I know for a fact that the latter is light years ahead of the former. Don't forget that HA pro
149 koruman : I know that, but TruemanQLDs loyalty to Qantas seemed to be making him think the QF product was better!
150 qf002 : Definitely, and I think highly likely... In fact, I could even see their next two deliveries (coming straight from Airbus IIRC) being fitted with the
151 eaglefarm4 : Originally i would have said yes to the international routes but i am thinking NO.Aircraft 3 will most likely go on MEL-PER and aircraft 4 and 5 on BN
152 Bluebird191 : I've got flights on DJ on Jan 14 on the BNE-SYD-BNE so hoping my flights will have the new product. If they do I'll aim to post a trip report. I'm ex
153 koruman : I agree with eaglefarm4. Virgin need to try to put everything into attacking Qantas' doemstic market share. Outbound long-haul sales will follow if an
154 Post contains images qf002 : That's actually a very strong argument, and you could likely be onto something. Either way, if they are expecting delivery in the first half of next
155 RyanairGuru : Are they recovering them in black/purple, or keeping the red seats? Also, I presume the Y seats on the old fleet are being recovered since the old on
156 vaustralie : Where do you think they would fly? I think I have to agree here, although I would like to see them go international but I think that they will focus
157 Post contains images smi0006 : Some more photo from the Air Australia lunch: Shame they have such ugly crew Looks fresh and profession goodluck to them!
158 thegeek : Unsurprising. While I see a future for VA on BNE-LAX particularly, I think it isn't likely to make anywhere near as much money as it expected on SYD-
159 TruemanQLD : Or maybe, unlike you, I dont use every possible opportunity to bash QF? Hmm... couldnt be! Also, I was merely trying to point out that from all accou
160 Zkpilot : Damn, thats a natural photogenic looking bunch. Glad to see they are allowed to have their hair down somewhat compared to certain other airlines.
161 alangirvan : it was said on this forum a few weeks ago that BNE-SIN-AUH was not going to happen. It was said that SYD-AUH loads were a bit disappointing - does an
162 EK413 : Doesn't the aircraft belong to Hi Fly? EK413
163 eaglefarm4 : Adagold are the operator and HI-FLY provide the 340.
164 Post contains links and images tayser : This EY A345 must have had a lot of spare fuel....
165 Post contains images TruemanQLD : Wonder if it deliberately asked ATC if it could make that route in the sky? I see this a fair bit on FlightRadar24, usually just hasnt shown that the
166 tayser : there's a big storm over the city now, it's diverted to ADL. Curious though - CBR is closer and on a tail wind - going back to ADL is headwind and fly
167 tayser : two ADL-MEL flights (one QF and DJ) are also now going back to ADL too. And a JQ flight just landed in AVV... what happened to AVV being the diversion
168 Post contains images mikey : Yesterday I saw a V Australia getting a new Virgin Australia title on one of their 777s (VH-VPD) at LAX. Are they going to change the tail as well? Mi
169 Post contains links bookishaviator : Dreamliner visit to coincide with Qantas birthday I look forward to hearing the finer details about this!
170 Post contains images 747m8te : Was onboard one of DJs newly configured 738s the other day with new business class seats and new economy seats, has anyone noticed they have reduced t
171 Bluebird191 : Looks like I'll be buying the more flexible fare with DJ for my planned trip to Port Moresby with them for October next year - might just try that in
172 Flyingsottsman : I see QF dropping HNL altogether in the future and handing that route to JQ. I hope VC is sucsessful on both BNE-HNL and MEL-HNL. [
173 747m8te : No..its one of many cabin crews favourite holiday destinations...they will strike if that happens LOL Actually I think this will eventually get the A
174 qf002 : I thought they were getting the new Y seats from the BSI product? I might be wrong, but I'm fairly certain it's more than just recovering the old sea
175 Flyingsottsman : I hope not, with Virgin Australia on the side and that tail it makes a quite stricking livery. I have 2 questions 1.Is Honolulu important to QF? just
176 747m8te : Interesting move...note that QFs newly configured 738s will now all be sporting large PTVs for all economy pax... Would have thought after all the ef
177 tullamarine : The livery is striking but I do believe that the whole livery will eventually be changed which is unfortunate as the silver with the subtle Australia
178 Post contains links cwalt2 : DOT has given a green light for the Joint Business Agreement between Qantas and American Airlines on trans-Pacific services, from the US to Australia
179 Post contains links vhebb : QF will operate the A380 on the SYD-HKG-SYD route from mid JAN12. More Info/discussion: Qantas Will Operate A380 To HKG (by AlitaliaDC10 Nov 9 2011 in
180 TruemanQLD : I am no expert on these sort of agreements, but does anyone know, will this actually make a difference? It seems we hear about so many agreements tha
181 nascarnut : Appears Air NZ will operate DJ's AKL-MEL and AKL-OOL service for awhile effectine Nov 14th with an A320. Is this to free up a 737-800 to operate domes
182 EK413 : From my understanding the entire VA B77W fleet will receive the Virgin Australia livery... EK413
183 Post contains links and images mariner : I haven't seen anyone else post this - if they have I'll ask for deletion - but Air Australia has now confirmed the BNE-MEL service, twice daily: http
184 Post contains images vaustralie : Great news for Air Australia!!! I really want to try their product now!! I might get a day off to fly it DJ of course And I love the Virgin Australia
185 Post contains images RyanairGuru : Off the top of my head May, but someone could probably give a more definitive answer What are you talking about? EK all the way!!! I agree, I really
186 byronicle6 : Great news! Will have to try the product sometime! Definitely EK to BNE , or if NZ have a 777-300ER scheduled on the route I'd be tempted with that!
187 6thfreedom : yes, I had said it... more than a few weeks ago... my understanding is that AUH_SYD is doing well, largely because it is sold by EY as part of their
188 RyanairGuru : If I remember rightly it was dropped into a press release on a completely unrelated matter in May, so we've know that it wasn't going to happen for a
189 Post contains images vaustralie : I'll have to disagree When are they getting more? :S
190 RyanairGuru : I think they canceled their remaining orders
191 vaustralie : So it isn't just put on hold? Awh well if that's true thats no good. I was really hoping for some expansion. I heard some flight attendants talking t
192 Bluebird191 : Quite the opposite - it actually started with the A332 - I distinctly remember it. The 77W was used only as a seasonal upgauge only during our summer
193 pilotdude09 : Just flew KTA-PER and then PER-KTA and I lucked out and ended up with 737s with the new interior on both flights....what a dramatic improvement over t
194 EK413 : When the VA re branding was announced... EK413
195 vhebb : Anyone know if QF plan to retrofit to the rest of the 737 fleet? Especially for those long hauls I think KTA-BNE is still the longest so would want it
196 ditzyboy : The Panasonic system is the same for both the 73H's and domestic 332s. The content is less on shorter flights.
197 Post contains links cwalt2 : John Borghetti confirmed the name change from V Australia to Virgin Australia on 04 May. http://www.traveldaily.com.au/news/virgin-australia-revealed
198 IndianicWorld : Saw the VA Transitional livery on the 77W today at MEL. It looks good I must say. Didnt like the V Australia font or logo in the past, but this one su
199 Post contains images qf002 : A330's?? It's already been reported that they're going to refit J class with the new seats which have just debuted on the BSI 738 (basically a red le
200 Post contains images 747m8te : Looks like Cathay Pacific has the A340-300 on some of the night flights into BNE again good to see more variety and the A340 back on a more regular ba
201 RyanairGuru : I'm flying CX156 on Jan 6 and my flight has been upgraded from a 333 to a 343. Out of interest is this actually a capacity increase? Or just better u
202 IndianicWorld : ^^ From what I can see, via CX's site, it is a capacity downgrade. The A330-300 in the 2-class config usually operated into Australia has 311 seats an
203 RyanairGuru : It's the two-class A34B, so it doesn't have first class. Therefore it is 26J/257Y=283. The key difference is that the A340 has lie-flat business as o
204 NZ107 : CX no longer have 3 class A343s - all the 3 class ones have been either converted to 2 class or sold.
205 Post contains images IndianicWorld : ^^ Thanks for the clarification guys. CX's site may need an update to reflect that
206 Post contains links SCL767 : CX's website reflects the current two-class configuration of the A-340-300 a/c: http://www.cathaypacific.com/cpa/en_US/whatonboard/ourfleet/a_340_300
207 Post contains images vaustralie : Thanks i hope so too
208 RyanairGuru : Nonetheless CX's website is pretty antiquated and not particularly user friendly
209 SCL767 : IMO, QF's website could use a revamp. Does QF even list their fleet of a/c and seat maps in a user friendly fashion? Similarly, JQ's website is a jok
210 Post contains images IndianicWorld : ^^ SCL767, the link I saw from their site was not up to date in it's description, stating the A340-300 was a 3 class config with 243 seats, which I li
211 TruemanQLD : As far as it goes, QF/JQ/DJ/NZ are pretty good in comparison to some others. CZ isnt even worth looking at, nor is JL and many other asian airlines (
212 RyanairGuru : When it works! I don't know an airline booking system that crashes more and even US' is usually faster (and theirs is painfully slow!). However, I ag
213 SCL767 : On CX's website, along with LA's website, I can book a ticket from SCL to destinations such as BKK, HKG, NRT, etc. On QF's website, it's impossible t
214 qf002 : All Australian A330s from CX are 264 seat, 2 class birds. All have herringbone J and new Y. The A343s have a vastly smaller J cabin (26 seats vs 41 i
215 747m8te : No....thats the regional config, they dont use this aircraft on Australian services, with the exception of rare equipement swap. No, both A330 and A3
216 eaglefarm4 : They did last summer as well however all 4 night flights were 343's this time only 3 of the 4. Yes i flew on B-LAK last month to HKG out of BNE.I got
217 RyanairGuru : So just to wrap up the CX A340 discussion: It does represent an increase in overall capacity (264 on 333, 283 on 343). However, J is being decreased f
218 qf002 : Well looking at the seat counts it would appear that they are reducing J and increasing Y. I guess summer travelers are probably the key reason (espe
219 747m8te : Seems odd though, they stopped the A340s on the route last year in October, before the summer season...
220 Post contains links TN486 : Please continue discussions in the following Australian Aviation Thread #56 (by TN486 Nov 14 2011 in Civil Aviation)
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