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MEA Moving To T4 At LHR Next Year?  
User currently offlineOLBA From Lebanon, joined Jun 2011, 63 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3481 times:

Hey all, i was wondering if MEA would be moving to T4 at LHR next year when they join sky team?

Thank you all for your answers

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User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 3010 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3340 times:
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Given that a significant percentage of the MEA traffic interline at Heathrow onto Air Canada and US flights by non Sky team partners i would think a move out of T3 would be a negative proposition.

The alliance connecting traffic would be better served via Paris where they already operate closely with Air France and have more frequencies.

Some times people on these forums over value the alliance concepts and what they really are.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27034 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3325 times:

I dont think changing Terminals would be a big hassle. If MEA do decide to go to T4 then they have the Skyteam lounge for their Elites and J class. I guess they gain Delta by moving to T4 and Im sure there are other carriers that have partners that fly into T4 and have to connect to T1/T3. I have forgotten who handles MEA at T3 but I guess one handler is used by the Skyteam member airlines in T4? It would depend on what MEA think they gain in T4 and what they loose in T3.

User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 3010 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3295 times:
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But its just one flight a day for most of the year (high summer there is an evening flight on a few days)
Sky team are tiny at Heathrow and who would back track to Bucharest/Milan/Paris or Amsterdam or for that matter go onto to Korean or Kenya both having shown interest in serving Beirut directly?
Also i think there are still some US sanctions on MEA and the Lebanon that restrict the likes of Delta selling direct tickets
(Might need this clarifying/updating)

So i think they really are better staying put with their close ties they have with Air Canada especially (alliance be damned)


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27034 posts, RR: 58
Reply 4, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3280 times:

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 3):
So i think they really are better staying put with their close ties they have with Air Canada especially (alliance be damned)

I can certainly see your arguements for staying put but I guess we will learn soon enough. At the moment all info for Summer 2012 is T3 still but I guess this could change at any time. On the flip side if they only have one A330/A321 a day then I guess moving to T4 is no big hassle.

On a slightly related note MEA Cedar Milea are offering 50% discounts on redemption miles for destinations including LHR so for any of those intending to fly now is a good time to book.


User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3264 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3232 times:

SkyTeam are certainly not "tiny" at Heathrow!

User currently offlinecedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2904 times:

Quoting OLBA (Thread starter):
MEA Moving To T4 At LHR Next Year?

From my point of view MEA should move to T4 and cooperate with Delta.



Tengo una pasion por la aviacion !لدي شغف للطيران !I have a passion for aviation !
User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 3010 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2869 times:
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Skipness can't you identify throway comment and generalization ?

That said against Oneworld and even *A they certainlly are .

Beyond the three European hubs, daily Korean and Kenya and a few Delta flights what's left?

Csa have gone, Vietnam down at Gatwick, Would be partner MAS going to Oneworld.

Cedars747 read my previous post MEA are I believe subject to some US trade sanctions that may prevent Delta from through ticketing and given the frequencies through Paris in association with Air France why route passengers on sky team through heathrow.

As I said again MEA probably have more interlink business's over Heathrow with AC and BA!

All that said I am acting as devils advocate and personally don't care what terminal they use at Heathrow.

Just using reasoned argument to say that the move may not be necessary


User currently offlineluckyone From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 2176 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 2842 times:

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 3):
Also i think there are still some US sanctions on MEA and the Lebanon that restrict the likes of Delta selling direct tickets
(Might need this clarifying/updating)

I believe Dubya lifted sanctions on MEA, thus allowing them to operate directly to the United States, in 2007. If they're allowed to operate to the US, why wouldn't a US airline be allowed to codeshare with them?


User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3264 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2796 times:

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 7):
Beyond the three European hubs, daily Korean and Kenya and a few Delta flights what's left?

Long Haul
Delta 12 x B764 daily
Korean Air
Kenya
China Airlines
China Eastern

European short haul
Aeroflot
Air France
Alitalia
KLM
Tarom

CSA is a loss but life goes on, you're right though they are in third place, but have some of the freshest facilities.
Except arrivals at T4 which are God awful (!)


User currently offlineyegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1726 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2781 times:

I would be surprised if MEA does move away from T3.

MEA does substantial business with AC. In fact, AC code shares on that flight and so does MEA on all AC LHR-Canada flights.


User currently offlinecedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2731 times:

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 7):
Cedars747 read my previous post MEA are I believe subject to some US trade sanctions that may prevent Delta from through ticketing

Yes I know about this issue but I read on DL
From Delta website:
Delta Welcomes Middle East Airlines into SkyTeam Alliance
Delta customers gain lounge, frequent flyer benefits when traveling with MEA
http://news.delta.com/index.php?s=43&item=1291

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 7):
given the frequencies through Paris in association with Air France why route passengers on sky team through heathrow.

I think that LHR is more US hub for BEY (something about Lebanese American prestige and language issue ) and CDG is more hub for Europe,West Africa,Canada and South America



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User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 3010 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2682 times:
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Quoting cedars747 (Reply 11):
I think that LHR is more US hub for BEY (something about Lebanese American prestige and language issue ) and CDG is more hub for Europe,West Africa,Canada and South America

Not disputed but for the fact most traffic is interlining with NON SKY TEAM and as both i and Yegbeyo1 said Air Canada is VERY IMPORTANT more so than Delta or others.

Luckyone as i said in post/reply 3 i am open to updating on the MEA sanctions situation,

If someone has the date/and or relevant legistation from the US state/transportation departments could they point me at it as i would like to read it.


User currently offlineyegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1726 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2667 times:

Quoting cedars747 (Reply 11):
Quoting rutankrd (Reply 7):
Cedars747 read my previous post MEA are I believe subject to some US trade sanctions that may prevent Delta from through ticketing

Yes I know about this issue but I read on DL
From Delta website:
Delta Welcomes Middle East Airlines into SkyTeam Alliance
Delta customers gain lounge, frequent flyer benefits when traveling with MEA
http://news.delta.com/index.php?s=43...=1291

MEA should primarily cooperate with DL at CDG and (if MEA ever decides to reopen) AMS.

I know many folks who fly AC-MEA between Bey and Canada - and they specifically avoid BMI because they need to change terminals.

I would love to know how much of MEA's passengers connect at LHR and the breakdown of these passengers. I would be surprised if DL takes the lion share.


User currently offlinepanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4914 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2656 times:
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Quoting yegbey01 (Reply 13):

MEA should primarily cooperate with DL at CDG and (if MEA ever decides to reopen) AMS.

Actually, for a long time now, a primary transfer point for ME/DL has been at IST. DL's JFK-IST connects well with ME's IST-BEY flight and there are usually quite a few transfer pax to/from BEY on DL's IST-JFK flight.....


User currently offlinegte439u From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 361 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2644 times:

Quoting yegbey01 (Reply 10):
I would be surprised if MEA does move away from T3.

MEA does substantial business with AC. In fact, AC code shares on that flight and so does MEA on all AC LHR-Canada flights.




I flew from BEY to LHR to YEG on Air Canada and MEA last week, and I saw at least a dozen of the same faces on the LHR to Edmonton flight as I did on the Beirut to LHR flight.

The relationship between AC and ME seems quite convenient, so I don't see why it should change merely to suit alliance partners.


User currently offlineyegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1726 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2462 times:

Quoting panamair (Reply 14):
Actually, for a long time now, a primary transfer point for ME/DL has been at IST. DL's JFK-IST connects well with ME's IST-BEY flight and there are usually quite a few transfer pax to/from BEY on DL's IST-JFK flight.....

There's no doubt, MEA depends on other carriers to connect passengers to and from the Americas. But, this is a case where it makes sense to work with DL - similar to CDG.

But I think MEA is not going to abandon its relationship with AC. My last flight on MEA from BEY to FRA back in August, my entire row (except for me) was connecting on AC (a passengers, going to Windsor via Toronto, another going to Pittsburgh via Toronto, 1 going to Ottawa, and the remaining going to Edmonton via Calgary also on AC).


User currently offlineHiJazzey From Saudi Arabia, joined Sep 2005, 870 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2453 times:

I'm not sure ME will have a say on the matter. Non alliance and skyteam members are being pushed to T4, wether they like it or not. SV (another future Skyteam member BTW) reluctantly moved to T4.

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27034 posts, RR: 58
Reply 18, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2273 times:

Quoting HiJazzey (Reply 17):
SV (another future Skyteam member BTW) reluctantly moved to T4.

True enough they delayed their move IIRC because they were not happy with the facilities. Not sure how true that was though.


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