koreana380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 16430 times:
With the 2011 Dubai airshow fast approaching, any thoughts on whether we are likely to see bumper orders? I recall that the 2009 show was a rather sombre affair, with Airbus fairing better than Boeing in orders, but still way short of levels from previous years.
I think it will be interesting to see whether the "Arab Spring" will have a knock-on effect on orders from Middle East carriers. For a start, given the recent fighting Libya undoubtedly needs a new fleet. Also, Yemen has plans to acquire A350's - will that still happen or will those plans get shelved with the current turmoil?
Another interesting point is that Boeing has maintained "off the record" / "back channel" contact with Iran Air over the years, and met with the Iran Air folks at the 2009 show. The question is whether Boeing is going to continue such contact in light of the new sanctions imposed on Iran Air by the US government:
Libya wasnt sanctioned during Gadaffi's last few years--its airlines are operating modern 737's, A320s, And A330s no problem! It will continue to recieve the new jets. The growth of this is affected for sure.
Egypt has seen a decline in aviation, but not that bad. Yemen is still struggling as the country is still ruled by a madman.
As for airlines of the Arabian Gulf, their growth is expanding with no signs of slowdown!
frigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1622 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 14455 times:
Quoting koreana380 (Thread starter): For a start, given the recent fighting Libya undoubtedly needs a new fleet. Also, Yemen has plans to acquire A350's - will that still happen or will those plans get shelved with the current turmoil?
Funny, that. In a thread about A350-800's someone thought the ones for Afriqiah and Yemen would surely be cancelled... However, before those are to be delivered it will be 2016, and who knows what the world would like by then.
For the record: Afriqiah has 6 A358's on order, Libyan Arab 4, and Yemenia has ordered 10 A358's.
I don't know about the state of Afriqiah's current fleet. They lost an A332 last year of course, and it seems an A306 was destroyed in the fightings. There were also reports about an A332 being damaged. I guess they will try to lease some A330's to bridge capacity gaps - or they can convert Gadaffi's A342 into a pax jet, since he doesn't need it anymore
hal9213 From Germany, joined May 2009, 302 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 12152 times:
Quoting scbriml (Reply 2): EK - maybe another 30 A380s plus more 77Ws.
I dont see a reason, why they should order more A380 now. Later, sure, but what benefit do they have ordering now rather than later?
77Ws definately. They have a huge gap between the current last 77W delivery and any A350-1000 coming, especially if we take any possible delays into account. My bet is on 30 77Ws.
PanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4165 posts, RR: 90
Reply 18, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 11891 times:
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Quoting sirtoby (Reply 4): ALAFCO firming and topping up their A320neo order.
Definately, they announced yesterday we are to expect an increase in their order for the A320neo
He added that Alafco was in talks with Airbus over a new order. "We are in negotiations with Airbus to increase the last order, and any outcome will be announced at the Dubai Airshow in November," Zabin said.
At the Paris Airshow in June, Alafco signed a memorandum of understanding to purchase 30 A320neo family aircraft, worth a total of $2.7bn at list prices.
Quoting HiJazzey (Reply 11): I would like to see SV order some NEOs. Something like 10x A320 , 10x A321, and 40 options would be ideal. When they start arriving they can return some of the A320s back to the lessor.
A good point and it may not just be limited to narrowbodies either as they have stated they intend to order 50 more aircraft to modernise their fleet. The A320neo must be a part of their plans along with the possibility of them firming 10 77Ws.
koreana380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 10184 times:
Quoting malioil (Reply 22):
Also, there is a very strong possibility that some if not all the 20 A330-300s on order will be converted into A319s or A320s.
If that happens, do you think they will opt for NEO's?
Quoting malioil (Reply 22):
If GF gets (and it must with the age of its fleet) new aircraft for a long haul fleet they are going to be the B787s, so I doubt those 16 will get any less. All other orders are in doubt though.
I had read some time ago that Samer Majali was planning on transitioning Gulf Air into a regional carrier as he had come to the realization that his carrier simply couldn't compete against the likes of Emirates and Qatar Airways in the long haul market. So with that considered are their 787 orders really that secure?
"Airbus will hold several media briefings and announcements during the course of the show including an update of the Global Market Forecast for the Middle East. The general Airbus press conference will be held on Wednesday 16th November starting at 12:00 noon in the Dubai Airshow Press Conference Room 2 (in the East Hall). Airbus Military will give a press briefing on Tuesday 15th November starting at 11:00, also in Conference Room 2. "
: Citing "widespread leaks", AirInsight expects EK to order another large number of A380s while QR takes 10 A380s and the 50 NEOs which were previously
: The article says they'll increase their commitment to ten in total. In other words, an additional five. In addition to the suggested 50 for QR, we co
: The A320neo numbers 50 and should be with the PW GTF engine. What's a very good run for Pratt? Thanks, Neil
: From Scbriml's link: It is possible BBD will have one or two other announcements, but don’t expect Qatar to be one of them. Al-Baker continues to to
: From that press release: ??? I am not a native speaker as you all know, but are they are seriously saying that the ACJ 318 and the ACJ 320 will have
: Could this mean that the A380 order-book will once again increase year-on? Sounds fantastic! And yet are still some people who wonder why Airbus laun
: I didn't see the story of EK's financial reporting from yesterday which showed a 79% drop in net income, attributed by the writer to excess capacity..
: It was a 76% drop http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...tes-earnings-idUSL5E7M12UJ20111103 Disappointing result nonetheless. With the delay in the A3
: Absolutely not. A more balanced view from Reuters. http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...tes-earnings-idUSL5E7M12UJ20111103 Revenue was up 15% and p
: Doesn't have to be. We'll have to look at the load factor for that. It could simply be higher cost without the ability to raise fares?!? Much of the
: Load factor was down marginally from, I think 81% to 79%. But, more revenue from more passengers doesn't suggest over-capacity to me.
: The comment on capacity is right in there. Load factors are down. Maybe that analyst has his head up his ass. I'm just pointing it out. Any way you cu
: Speaking of Dubai... Has anyone seen this bit of news? "Dubai Aerospace Said to Seek $3.3 Billion Boeing Order Shift" http://www.businessweek.com/news
: Well, you know, I suspect that EK's management has a much better idea of how to run arguably the World's most successful airline than any analyst. If
: Oh no! That's not good! Is the B748 really under-performing that much?
: Maybe we can see WY ordering a few extra A330s or ordering some A350s? Last time I heard they were evaluating their 787 orders (or at least demanding
: What do you guys think of the fact that Airbus doesn't even bother to bring its flagship to the show this year. Coincidence?
: How many test aircraft do they have? Because remember one is doing the Trent xwb tests at the moment
: Thank you, that could very well be the reason. Is the new engine fitted to F-WWDD? Anyone with more info on this?