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Shock Horror - Ryanair Use Tape To Fix Plane!  
User currently offlineTCASAlert From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 28738 times:

Good old Daily Heil, never one to let the facts get in the way of a good story:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...gers-crew-fix-windscreen-TAPE.html

"A Ryanair flight had to turn back mid-air after tape used to patch up a pilot's window came unstuck, it has emerged.
Before the 1,000-mile flight from Stansted, Essex, to Riga in Latvia ground crew had been called out to wrap the edge of the windscreen with the tape.
The flight had to be abandoned after 20 minutes when the tape dislodged amid reports of distracting sounds for the pilot and those on board.

Passenger Anthony Neal, 33, from Bromley, Kent told The Sun: 'We were terrified. I could see the guys taping the windscreen, with what looked like duct tape or gaffer tape.
"

Heaven knows what they'd report if they knew how often this INDUSTRIAL GRADE and APPROVED tape is used, quite safely, on flights around the world.

 

46 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently onlinenomadd22 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1820 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 28715 times:

Why did the tape came loose if it was used "in line with correct procedures"? It either wasn't the right solution for or it was used incorrectly.


Andy Goetsch
User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31660 posts, RR: 56
Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 28588 times:

Sounds dramatic....But probably just High speed tape covering a rough surface & came off with Aerodynamic loads....


Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineRareinside From Norway, joined Jun 2011, 1 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 28455 times:

Ok, if the tape would have not came loose, which altitude they would have chosen?
Unbelievable anyway!


User currently offlineYVRFlyer From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 83 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 28152 times:

Well, at least they didn't run out of coffee!   


YVRFlyer
User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3849 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 28000 times:

Nothingness rubbish from the Daily Mail... surprised?

User currently offlineQuokka From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 27913 times:

After stating

Quote:
The Irish Aviation Authority told Mail Online that they were satisfied with the routine carried out with the tape an added precaution that should have lasted up to seven days.

A spokeswoman for the IAA said: 'All the maintenance was carried out in line with the correct procedures.

'The pilot took the correct action by returning to base.'

the article continues to read as a promotion for Micheal O'Leary and Ryanair. All in all not bad free publicity.


User currently offlineYVRFlyer From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 83 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 27824 times:

Quoting Vasu (Reply 5):
Nothingness rubbish from the Daily Mail... surprised?

Not really... By the way, ever noticed the Daily Mail must have terrible copyeditors? Whenever I have a read, I keep on finding bad grammar littering it. It's like watching the english language de-evolve.



YVRFlyer
User currently offlineLGWflyer From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2011, 2348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 27821 times:

Quoting YVRFlyer (Reply 4):
Well, at least they didn't run out of coffee!

Hahah! Gotta love Airplane!



3 words... I Love Aviation!!!
User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3849 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 27690 times:

Quoting YVRFlyer (Reply 7):
Not really... By the way, ever noticed the Daily Mail must have terrible copyeditors? Whenever I have a read, I keep on finding bad grammar littering it. It's like watching the english language de-evolve.

Too true - I've noticed the same thing!


User currently offlineBasilFawlty From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 1310 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 27137 times:

Quoting TCASAlert (Thread starter):
Heaven knows what they'd report if they knew how often this INDUSTRIAL GRADE and APPROVED tape is used, quite safely, on flights around the world.

  

Quoting Vasu (Reply 5):
Nothingness rubbish from the Daily Mail... surprised?

No surprise indeed, rubbish as usual.

The sort of tape which is used in aviation is very different from the tape in your own garage from your local hardware store. It's very strong, very expensive and above all, approved by all safety organisations.



'Every year donkeys and mules kill more people than plane crashes'
User currently offlineq120 From Canada, joined Aug 2008, 278 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 26929 times:

I have seen cabins filled with ducttape before, the most ive seen was recently on a Viking air A320.


However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results
User currently onlineSKYMILER From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 521 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 26781 times:

Many years ago flew YUL - BDL on a Pilgrim Twin Otter with duct tape on the wingtip after a bit of a bang up with a wall at YUL.

Every few minutes the 1st officer shone his flashlight onto the wingtip to make sure the tape was still there!

At customs at BDL, some wag asked the captain if he declared "1 roll of duct tape!".

I am here to write about it and recovered from a bit of a hangover from Pilgrim's generosity in the bar at YUL while they were looking for the tape!! Of course a Twotter would probably fly with both wings missing!

All part of life -- and NOTHING on the news about it!!



I love to fly, and it shows!
User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 25318 times:

Quoting q120 (Reply 11):
I have seen cabins filled with ducttape before, the most ive seen was recently on a Viking air A320.

Ryanair have a fleet of Boeing 737-800.

The aircraft are pretty new so why a new aircraft would need duct tape is anyone's guess.

Just the Daily Mail having another nasty dig at Europe's favourite airline.


User currently offlineGingersnap From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2010, 893 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 24959 times:

Quoting Babybus (Reply 13):
Europe's favourite airline.


They may fly the most, but they certainly aren't anyone's favorite airline. In fact, everyone I know goes out their way to pay more just to avoid FR.



Flown on: A306 A319/20/21 A332 B732/3/4/5/7/8 B742/4 B752 B762/3 B772/W C152 E195 F70/100 MD-82 Q400
User currently offlinecatiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3029 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 24889 times:

Quoting Babybus (Reply 13):
The aircraft are pretty new so why a new aircraft would need duct tape is anyone's guess.

But it isn't duct tape. It's speed tape (which, admittedly, looks like duct tape).


User currently offlinedpcoliveira From Brazil, joined Oct 2011, 3 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 23943 times:

There was one ocasion at the job that I heard something about an aircraft that was damaged after the ground crew set landing flaps with the reversers opened.

I also heard the aircraft went to our hub with the puntures on the engine cowl covered with that industrial tape, so It could be fixed properly.

As a rookie mechanic, I´ve seen that such procedures are approved by the manufacturer.

Too much sensacionalism, in my opinion.

Regards,

Dave


User currently offlinedogbreath From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2008, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 23883 times:

Quoting Gingersnap (Reply 14):
In fact, everyone I know goes out their way to pay more just to avoid FR.

That maybe so, but 73 million other people decided to pay to fly with them. A figure that increases around 8% per year.



Truth, Honour, Loyalty
User currently offlineradarbeam From Canada, joined Mar 2002, 1310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 23883 times:

Quoting catiii (Reply 15):
But it isn't duct tape. It's speed tape (which, admittedly, looks like duct tape).

Yep! Although duct tape and speed tape are really 2 different animals. Duct tape is made with some sort of textile fabric in it, allowing it some flexibility. Speed tape is just a thin sheet of metal (alu?) with a strong adhesive backing, it's very rigid and quite durable and it's cost quite a few bucks! ...Make sure you wear gloves when applying this stuff, it cuts!


User currently offlinealm1 From Lithuania, joined Oct 2008, 63 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 23380 times:

From the article:

Quote:
A Ryanair flight carrying 200 passengers

Of which 189 were traveling seated, 1 using extra seat in the only paid lavatory and 10 standing.


User currently offlineq120 From Canada, joined Aug 2008, 278 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 22753 times:

Correction, I was just checking out the pics today it was scotch tape in the Viking A320 not ducttape nor speed tape.
For those who dont know the difference between speed tape and ducttape, the speed tape is metalic like.



However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results
User currently offlinelows From Austria, joined Oct 2011, 1105 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 21564 times:

I am absolutely stunned the Daily Mail would hype or otherwise distort a story way out of proportion. Did they find out if the tape either 1. causes cancer or 2. cures cancer?   

User currently offlineFCAFLYBOY From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 586 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 20678 times:

Oh dear, this isn't news, good old daily mail.

Re worst offender for this in my own experience is QF.

8 flight, all different a/c, all stuck together. Have seen this plenty on LH and AA and twice on
Both CX and LI that I can recall. Unsettling, but rarely used to 'fix' anything, usually a temp fix.


User currently offlineTCASAlert From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 20606 times:

Quoting lows (Reply 21):
I am absolutely stunned the Daily Mail would hype or otherwise distort a story way out of proportion. Did they find out if the tape either 1. causes cancer or 2. cures cancer?   

   Its always worth a laugh to read, before trolling the comments section  


User currently offlineq120 From Canada, joined Aug 2008, 278 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 17357 times:

Hopefully these links work. These are pictures I took from the viking air A320.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/202/tape1p.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/651/tape2i.jpg/



However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results
25 stratosphere : For those not in the know...When a aircraft window is replaced there is aerodynamic smoother applied to seal the gaps in the window..If the airplane
26 fshplns : Both links show inside aircraft tape used. Speed tape is used on the outside of the aircraft, usually silver to metallic in color. TYVM stratosphere,
27 Post contains images soon7x7 : A whole bunch of reasons why tape won't adhere to certain applications...even speed tape. In addition when any tape is used to seal the actual pressur
28 Post contains links and images BasilFawlty : And it looks like this (picture is from my own collection): http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj192/FrontierA318/Photo-0683.jpg EZY A319 with a miss
29 1stfl94 : It's the Daily Mail. I'm surprised they haven't claimed the tape is the result of Eastern Europe immigrants and single mothers! On a more serious not
30 Post contains images HNLsurfer : Hey at least the white sort of blends in.
31 tonystan : Gaffer tape is an engineers best mate!! Have you ever seen around the door frames of BA aircraft????
32 Post contains images HNLsurfer : what, to hold the doors shut?
33 irshava : HAHA - perhaps a scary attempt at some cheap PR?
34 ltbewr : As much as many here bash Ryanair - and apparently rightfully so as to their marketing, treatment of pax, their use of odd airports - they do have an
35 474218 : Because the windshield had been replaced and aerodynamic sealant installed. But since the sealant takes several hours to cure, Boeing recommends that
36 aviateur : It's heavy-duty aluminum bonding tape, called "speed tape" in a mechanic's lexicon. Depending what a plane's maintenance manual stipulates, certain no
37 MD11Engineer : Most likely they had to replace a cockpit window (maybe due to a birdstrike or a crak caused by a defective window heat controller). The gaps between
38 crjfixer : Correct and our manual actually allows for speed tape for 24 hours to allow the window sealant to fully cure. Im sure thats exactly what happened in
39 aa757first : Wow, this article is particularly atrocious since they don't interview any third-party mechanics or pilots. Looks like something that would run in our
40 Post contains links BE77 : So what's the big deal? MythBusters have shown duct tape is airworthy. http://www.eaa.org/news/2011/2011-10-13_mythbusters.asp
41 Post contains images HAWK21M : The PERFECT Answer..... Unfortunately most persons dont realise the useage of HST is a recommended method.
42 charliecossie : Every day. What am I missing?
43 Fabo : Interesting take on on "even bad advertisment is advertisment". I for one am not too eager to fly FR, but with the lack of competition of likes of U2
44 SKAirbus : The Daily Mail strikes again and everyone believes it. Some advice: Take everything you read in that newspaper, which I like to call the modern and da
45 Post contains images HAWK21M : Wonder why these media reporters dont publish what the experts said rather than what the Pax said.....guess the dramatics would then decrease....
46 aviateur : I devoted the latest of my ASK THE PILOT installments to this non-incident. Here's an excerpt: OH MY GOD, THEY'RE DUCT-TAPING OUR PLANE! Oh no, anothe
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