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BA - J Class Seats Facing Opposite Way?  
User currently offlinemattya9 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 132 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 12898 times:

After checking out pictures of British Airways' new J product (which looks quite nice, I must say!) I noticed half the seats are facing the opposite way to create the most efficient layout. Is British Airways the only airline that has a set up like this? If not, what other airlines have adopted this type of layout in the J, or even F, cabins? Here is a picture for those of you who have not seen it yet...

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Briti...d=f2ea978162d071b3af0c515761893a19


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User currently offlineOzGlobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2732 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 12880 times:

BA implemented this "New Club World" concept in about 2000 (ten years ago!). This is now the second generation in this same configuration. There would be a patent on the layout preventing others from copying it directly. However, UA now has a similar idea applied in their 2 fwd / 2 bkwd configuration in J. Don't know of others doing the backward facing seating right now.


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User currently offlineJACK02116 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 12676 times:

UA is different in so far as it has alternating complete rows of forward and backward facing seats. Im not sure what is achieved here from a space utilisation perspective. On BA you get more width at the shoulders and less at the feet so having pairs of front/back facing makes sense. But on UA I have never understood what is achieved by having forward / backward alternating rows?

User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 12627 times:

UA's flat bed feels rather cramped when you try to sleep.... and my shadows aren't even that wide

the herringbone concept used by VS and AC and old CX is much wider at the shoulder level (can't speak for BA though)


User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6131 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 12571 times:

Quoting JACK02116 (Reply 2):
But on UA I have never understood what is achieved by having forward / backward alternating rows?

Alternating the rows gives you more room at the shoulders and less at the feet...the same as BAs seat. The aisles are not exactly straight and and the seats slant slightly inwards.

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 3):
UA's flat bed feels rather cramped when you try to sleep.... and my shadows aren't even that wide

by the numbers UAs seat is slightly wider in bed mode then BAs is....



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User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1447 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 12476 times:

BAs NCW isnt that new, it laucnhed in 2006 with the previous incarnation coming into being in 2000 and still found on the 767 fleet and on Great British Air! LOL!


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User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2739 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 12348 times:

I wouldn't like to face opposite way in a plane (or in a train) BTW, I would feel bad...


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User currently offlinemattya9 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 12279 times:

Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 1):

This came out 10 years ago?! Wow I've definitely been missing something then! I just never really remember seeing anything like it, at least on any airline from the US.

Quoting JACK02116 (Reply 2):

How long has UA been doing the alternating forward/backwards of entire rows? I would agree with JACK02116, it doesn't seem to make much sense or save any room having a layout like that.



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7804 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 12213 times:

I did LHR-DFW on a BA J class seat facing the rear. Take off and landing made me dizzy.

I prefer facing the front.



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User currently offline5MillionMiler From Australia, joined Sep 2011, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 12166 times:

Flying facing backwards is actually quite nice. On the 744s upstairs you see the wing come into view after take-off. On the 777 I was looking out the window on BA when the huge GE90 suddenly rose up into view climbing out of Heathrow. Guess you could see that it you turned around in the normal cabin, but it is quite sight to watch in your general field of view.

Also, as the plane flies with the nose angled up, sleeping backwards on a flatbed elevates your head. I also find it better in turbulence as the orientation is different. Looking backwards seems better in the bumps, at least for me.


User currently offlinejayeshrulz From India, joined Apr 2007, 1029 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 12095 times:

One thing i have noticed, that they have put the window seats in reverse. So if you want to fly window, fly reverse! 


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User currently offlinestarguy From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 12042 times:

Quoting LY777 (Reply 6):
I wouldn't like to face opposite way in a plane (or in a train) BTW, I would feel bad...

Although I have found the BA Club seat comfortable and the fact that I am rear facing doesn't bother me, the biggest drawbacks of being rear facing on BA are:
no direct aisle access for the rear facing seats,
awkward face to face with your ying yang fellow passenger when electronic screen is down for ALL seats,
awkward during the service when your food has to be passed through the divide over the other passenger in the aisle seat,
and the biggest drawback is having to sleep side by side next to a total stranger in the two rear facing centre seats.There is no significant divider screen for any part of the body other than the head, resulting in contact during the night if you turn over during the night.

Not very good when you consider that CX, VS, SQ, NZ, and many more offer, all forward facing/at slight angle, direct aisle access, completely private business class seats, all at a similar price.


User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6131 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 11982 times:

Quoting mattya9 (Reply 7):
How long has UA been doing the alternating forward/backwards of entire rows? I would agree with JACK02116, it doesn't seem to make much sense or save any room having a layout like that.
UA launched the IPTE seats in 2007.

If UA did not alternate seats like that they would loose rows of seats...BA is doing the same thing with their configuration.

Take a look at the seat map I attached...its hard to explain in words but pretty simple to understand once you see it laid out. Both UA and BAs configurations are ingenious in how they save space.

http://multivu.prnewswire.com/mnr/un...d/28964/docs/28964-B747_400_OC.pdf

[Edited 2011-10-24 08:17:47]


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User currently offlinemattya9 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 11914 times:

Quoting United1 (Reply 12):

Ahhhh I see what you mean. Yes, that does make sense now. On another note, how come the 744's don't have an "I" row? My guess is because it looks like the number "1" too much? I could be way off on that one though.



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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6131 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 11883 times:

Quoting mattya9 (Reply 13):
On another note, how come the 744's don't have an "I" row? My guess is because it looks like the number "1" too much? I could be way off on that one though.

That is exactly why...



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User currently offlinemarkboston From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 11870 times:

Quoting starguy (Reply 11):
Not very good when you consider that CX, VS, SQ, NZ, and many more offer, all forward facing/at slight angle, direct aisle access, completely private business class seats, all at a similar price.

I much prefer BA's arrangment to the angle seats on CX, VS and NZ because you can look out the window. BA's arrangement also allows you to have a conversation with your traveling companion and if you don't know the person next to you just raise the privacy screen.


User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3355 posts, RR: 45
Reply 16, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 11806 times:

I was really disappointed in the new Club World when I flew it LHR-CAI. It's one of those intermediate routes, but the service on board was really monotonous and not personal at all. The seat was average to below average when compared to its oneworld partners'. I'd actually rather have AA's "lie flat" over that.

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User currently offlineardian From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 550 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 11708 times:

Quoting tonystan (Reply 5):
Great British Air! LOL!

Haha classic . Too bad they are using it as their F-class

[Edited 2011-10-24 09:13:47]

User currently offlineOzGlobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2732 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 11592 times:

Quoting mattya9 (Reply 7):
Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 1):

This came out 10 years ago?! Wow I've definitely been missing something then! I just never really remember seeing anything like it, at least on any airline from the US.

V1 of this config came out 11 years ago. V2 was about 2007. You may have noticed that the US carriers lost 10 years in premium cabin product currency and have only recently started to invest and catch up: UA, US, AA, etc.

I actually prefer to be backward and have often dropped to bed mode and gone to sleep during the climb... Also much safer in an emergency (why do you think the FA's seats are backwards?).



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User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 11549 times:

Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 18):
You may have noticed that the US carriers lost 10 years in premium cabin product currency and have only recently started to invest and catch up: UA, US, AA, etc.

what exactly has AA invested lately ? their F/J in their 777 is rather dated


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9806 posts, RR: 52
Reply 20, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 11488 times:

The united seat does not have a full width footwell. The footwell has 10 inches that overlap with the person facing the opposite direction so that although it is a fully flat 6ft 6in bed, pitch is only 74 inches.


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User currently offlineOzGlobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2732 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11355 times:

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 19):
Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 18):
You may have noticed that the US carriers lost 10 years in premium cabin product currency and have only recently started to invest and catch up: UA, US, AA, etc.

what exactly has AA invested lately ? their F/J in their 777 is rather dated

They have invested about 3 years agos in an updated J which is a sort of angled-lie flat. Quite wierd in many people's view: claustrophobic, awkward for non-aile passengers; strange need to move seat forward and backward to join two half of table / tray; detachable IFE; poor sleep quality at angle...



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User currently offlineteme82 From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 1636 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11251 times:
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Quoting 5MillionMiler (Reply 9):
Flying facing backwards is actually quite nice. On the 744s upstairs you see the wing come into view after take-off.

That is the thing I'm looking for when flying LHR-JNB-LHR on Feb 2012  
As far as I know the seat 62A would be ideal.



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User currently offlinetcxdegsy From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 518 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 10914 times:

Quoting LY777 (Reply 6):
I wouldn't like to face opposite way in a plane (or in a train) BTW, I would feel bad...
Quoting 5MillionMiler (Reply 9):
I wouldn't like to face opposite way in a plane (or in a train) BTW, I would feel bad...

I much prefer the window seat facing backwards.. it's a little more private and secluded if you want peace & quiet.



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User currently offlinecaptainstefan From United States of America, joined May 2007, 433 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 9751 times:

Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 18):
(why do you think the FA's seats are backwards?).

What about in the back of the plane? I thought they generally faced toward the cabin so they could monitor the pax....

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 20):
The united seat does not have a full width footwell. The footwell has 10 inches that overlap with the person facing the opposite direction so that although it is a fully flat 6ft 6in bed, pitch is only 74 inches.

UA's J class seat has a flat length of 6'4", F class is 6'6".



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25 lhr380 : Unless you get the seats that face the bulkhead. Then you have direct access.
26 cubastar : IMO, BA's earlier versions of this J class were not all that comfortable. I much preferred any other major airline's J class between the US and UK ove
27 Post contains images Sketty222 : Really, I thought they were the first to get the NGCW I travelled to and from MCO in a rear facing CW seat. You can't beat looking out of the window
28 tonystan : The NCW is the exact same layout as the previous version. Im not sure I understand why you say it is difficult to converse with your companion consid
29 VC10er : I like both the BA and UA J seat. And for me, take off is even more fun. When cruising along I don't think you can tell- and it is much, much safer. I
30 HNLsurfer : That sucks, and its the same in Y class on occasion that the person by window will shut the shade and I never get to see out the window until 2 sec b
31 Post contains images gaystudpilot : What exactly are you talking about here?
32 HNLsurfer : HAHA, good one...
33 DeltaMD90 : I'd prefer backwards facing seats. I heard they are safer (it does make sense since most impacts are from the front.)
34 condor24 : I personally prefer the herringbone pattern. However the airlines should ensure the seats are roughly half A & D, and half G & K where they ca
35 Post contains images Sevensixtyseven : The length of the seat won't help there...you're more looking for width, so when you're sleeping on your side in the seat...anyway. I wouldn't like a
36 gaystudpilot : The new UA First Suite is angled towards the aisle. The previous First Suite was angled towards the windows.
37 Sevensixtyseven : Well...disappointed. Not flying UA F...unless I was given the ticket. xD
38 Markhkg : Of note, the brace position is different than forward facing passengers in these seats. Rear facing passengers should lean back as much as possible w
39 mattya9 : I flew ORD-PVG-ORD on AA last October and thought their F and J products were both pretty good (flew J there and F back). Actually, I think I would p
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