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Official 747-8 Flight Tracking & Production Part 7  
User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8968 posts, RR: 76
Posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 41017 times:
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Part #6 got rather long so here is part #7.

Enjoy.

Here a link to part #6 if you need:

Official 747-8 Flight Tracking & Production Thread Part 6 (by Moderators Jul 19 2011 in Civil Aviation)

Many thanks.

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User currently offlineLaddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 578 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 40828 times:

RC551's first flight has been pushed out a week (to first week in November). A 9 November delivery may be in jeopardy.

User currently offlinebellancacf From United States of America, joined May 2011, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 40724 times:

Don't know whether or not this is the right thread to ask this, but --- after all the fuss over the fuel burn of the early frames' engines, do we know what Cargolux is actually encountering now that they are flying the plane? Is it as terrible as they made out?

User currently offlineCX Flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6588 posts, RR: 55
Reply 3, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 40703 times:

B-LJE needs a landing gear change apparently. Not sure why though.

User currently onlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3392 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 40587 times:
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Quoting CX Flyboy (Reply 3):
B-LJE needs a landing gear change apparently. Not sure why though.

Could be chome pealing from the inner or outer cylinder due to contamination during plating. Not much else that would require a gear change.. (shades of the early 737 Menasco plating problems)


User currently offlineSonomaFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1706 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 40571 times:
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Quoting bellancacf (Reply 2):
Don't know whether or not this is the right thread to ask this, but --- after all the fuss over the fuel burn of the early frames' engines, do we know what Cargolux is actually encountering now that they are flying the plane? Is it as terrible as they made out?

Boeing made representations about fuel burn that were undoubtedly included in their contract with CargoLux. The early frames (as often happens) are heavier than spec and the engines burn more fuel than the contract spec. There is a update coming for the engines in two or three years that should take care much of the problem. So CargoLux played hard ball and got concessions from Boeing on the early frames.


User currently offlinebellancacf From United States of America, joined May 2011, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 40456 times:

Re: SonomaFlyer at #5: Yes, I followed what happened, more or less, but as the first a/c took off with no ceremony whatsoever, I rather wished that someone had been able to squeeze a bit of telemetry equipment in so that we could find out just how the plane _does_ perform for Cargolux. Somehow, given the "hardball", I don't think that Cargolux is going to tell the world if it should turn out that their 747-8 is as efficient as anyone could desire.

User currently offlineSonomaFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1706 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 40450 times:
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Quoting bellancacf (Reply 6):
Somehow, given the "hardball", I don't think that Cargolux is going to tell the world if it should turn out that their 747-8 is as efficient as anyone could desire.

I'm pretty sure its the most efficient freighter out there given what it can haul and its range. It took off with no ceremony due to the grandstanding at the last minute by a certain new board member at CargoLux. I'll take a guess that the first couple of frames are something around 3.5% to 4% off spec. The PiP for the engines I thought were supposed to address a big chunk of that number.


User currently offlineCX Flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6588 posts, RR: 55
Reply 8, posted (2 years 9 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 40306 times:

Quoting kanban (Reply 4):
Quoting CX Flyboy (Reply 3):
B-LJE needs a landing gear change apparently. Not sure why though.

Could be chome pealing from the inner or outer cylinder due to contamination during plating. Not much else that would require a gear change.. (shades of the early 737 Menasco plating problems)

That or a hard landing perhaps?


User currently onlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3392 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (2 years 9 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 40062 times:
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Quoting CX Flyboy (Reply 8):

That or a hard landing perhaps?

none have been reported.

A chrome plating contamination could affect multiple a/p if that is determined to be the cause.

edit add: Then again it may just be a leaking seal or two.. which is no big deal.

[Edited 2011-10-28 10:35:31]

User currently offlinemattcawby From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 199 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (2 years 9 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 40035 times:

Quoting CX Flyboy (Reply 3):
B-LJE needs a landing gear change apparently

Are you sure? B-LJA is up on jack stands this morning



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User currently offline747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2086 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (2 years 9 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 39733 times:

Are RC555/B-LJE for Cathay and RC574/G-GSSD for Atlas Air ( BA World Cargo livery) still scheduled for a delivery in October ?

RC555 performed the last flight at October 27.
RC574 performed yesterday (October 28) a B2 flight, followed by a customer acceptance flight.
See Matt Cawby's KPAE blog : http://kpae.blogspot.com/2011/10/paine-field-october-28.html

According several sources between 10 and 12 747-8F aircraft will be delivered in 2011.

"Boeing has lowered its expected delivery total for the year to about 480 airliners, down from between 485 and 495, owing to lower than planned deliveries of the 787 and 747-8. Those two programmes will deliver between 15 and 20 units between them - including around 12 747-8s - rather than the 25 to 30 units previously planned."

See whole article : http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...7-break-even-at-1100-units-363900/



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User currently offlineCCA From Hong Kong, joined Oct 2002, 830 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (2 years 9 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 39618 times:

B-LJE scheduled to arrive in HK on Wednesday the 2nd now, so delivery Monday the 31st?


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User currently offlineCX Flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6588 posts, RR: 55
Reply 13, posted (2 years 9 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 39508 times:

Quoting kanban (Reply 9):
Quoting CX Flyboy (Reply 8):

That or a hard landing perhaps?

none have been reported.

A chrome plating contamination could affect multiple a/p if that is determined to be the cause.

edit add: Then again it may just be a leaking seal or two.. which is no big deal.
Quoting mattcawby (Reply 10):
Quoting CX Flyboy (Reply 3):
B-LJE needs a landing gear change apparently

Are you sure? B-LJA is up on jack stands this morning

Yes it seems mis-fitted seals are the culprit and yes it is LJE which needs the change.


User currently onlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3392 posts, RR: 26
Reply 14, posted (2 years 9 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 39439 times:
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Sounds like two a/c have leakers... unusual but not unheard of.

User currently offlineCX Flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6588 posts, RR: 55
Reply 15, posted (2 years 9 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 39244 times:

Quoting kanban (Reply 15):
Sounds like two a/c have leakers... unusual but not unheard of.

Assuming the same person/team fitted the seals and considering how long it has been since B-LJE has had it's landing gear installed before they noticed the error, there could be quite a few sets of gear out there with them. Thats my theory anyway and it makes sense to me!


User currently onlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3392 posts, RR: 26
Reply 16, posted (2 years 9 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 39178 times:
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Since it sounds like strut seals, they were installed by the gear manufacturer/assembler. I believe the 747-8 gear arrives in pieces and is assembled adjacent to the Everett factory just prior to installation. This was the plan several years ago with the 777. However that timing should not affect the seals themselves I believe they have a 6-8 quarter (18 months to 2 years) shelf life before installation. and since they are lubed prior to installation they should be good for years. The only problem is they rely on the piston effect of landings and take offs to re-lubricate. Although moving the plane around over some uneven surface might solve the problem. I'm willing to bet they dried out and adhered to the inner cylinder. This may be a bigger problem with the 787 ramp queens than with the 747-8's.

User currently offlineCX Flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6588 posts, RR: 55
Reply 17, posted (2 years 9 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 39158 times:

Quoting kanban (Reply 17):
Since it sounds like strut seals, they were installed by the gear manufacturer/assembler. I believe the 747-8 gear arrives in pieces and is assembled adjacent to the Everett factory just prior to installation. This was the plan several years ago with the 777. However that timing should not affect the seals themselves I believe they have a 6-8 quarter (18 months to 2 years) shelf life before installation. and since they are lubed prior to installation they should be good for years. The only problem is they rely on the piston effect of landings and take offs to re-lubricate. Although moving the plane around over some uneven surface might solve the problem. I'm willing to bet they dried out and adhered to the inner cylinder. This may be a bigger problem with the 787 ramp queens than with the 747-8's.

The info I have seen suggests that they were fitted wrongly rather than time expired or needing to be replaced due to time delays in delivery but that could be wrong.


User currently onlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3392 posts, RR: 26
Reply 18, posted (2 years 9 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 39057 times:
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Quoting CX Flyboy (Reply 17):
The info I have seen suggests that they were fitted wrongly


AAAAH!... well still not as bad as when they put Skydrol seals in a gear getting Mil Spec..


User currently offline747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2086 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (2 years 9 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 38946 times:

How many hours (days) does it normally cost to change all strut seals on a 747 at the factory, or will Boeing perform a complete gear swap. (several zero hour landing gears are available from the rejected RC571, 572 and 573.)

[Edited 2011-10-30 00:36:44]


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User currently offlineCCA From Hong Kong, joined Oct 2002, 830 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (2 years 9 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 38889 times:

I'd say the gear swap was due to the fact that LJE was flown and therefore the gear subjected to landing loads, while LJA was lifted and the seals checked for correct installation and corrected if need be before first flight.

I wouldn't be surprised if all the 748 fleet is being checked and those that have flown and found to have incorrect seal installations may require a gear change.



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User currently onlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3392 posts, RR: 26
Reply 21, posted (2 years 9 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 38706 times:
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Quoting 747classic (Reply 19):
How many hours (days) does it normally cost to change all strut seals on a 747 at the factory, or will Boeing perform a complete gear swap. (several zero hour landing gears are available from the rejected RC571, 572 and 573.)


Normally (very simplified) they disconnect the outer to inner cylinder links, electrical, and hydraulics and jack up the a/c until they can roll the inner and bogie out. The area must be kept clean so sometimes it means moving into a controlled environment. Replacing or re-aligning the seals and scraper rings is simple. They generally do not swap gears between customers as there are various customer options that would mean replacing wire bundles etc and that is time consuming. While the factory probably does not have the replacement seals, the Spares warehouse at Seatac does (It's about an hour away) Also Goodrich who makes the gear has an assembly plant next to the Everett Plant so technicians are available and a complete removed gear would go there since Boeing did away with a gear shop in the 90's.


User currently offlineLaddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 578 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (2 years 9 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 38372 times:

A lot of good work was done this past weekend on RC555 (L/N 1441) and RC574 (L/N 1442). RC555 (B-LJE) is in front of the Everett Delivery Center right now, so she will be delivered today. She is scheduled to depart KPAE at noon local time.

RC574 should be delivered and flown away tomorrow (fingers crossed).


User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2496 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (2 years 9 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 38082 times:

Quoting Laddie (Reply 22):
RC555 (B-LJE) is in front of the Everett Delivery Center right now, so she will be delivered today. She is scheduled to depart KPAE at noon local time.

Flightaware is showing a scheduled departure time of 13:10.


User currently offlineLaddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 578 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (2 years 9 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 38013 times:

Quoting ER757 (Reply 23):
Flightaware is showing a scheduled departure time of 13:10.

Right you are, ER757. The airplane is still at the delivery center.

Here is the flight plan:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CPA3337


25 Laddie : Boeing is announcing the 747-8 Intercontinental certification testing is done. It took eight months to finish the testing. "Aviation fans though will
26 ER757 : Great news for us Seattle area a.nuts! My office is in Renton and the one in red and orange livery came right over our building at about 800' AGL las
27 na : Very good. So we can expect the first LH 748 in, what, February? I just bought a model of the 748I prototype today. I hope the later owner will keep
28 Post contains images wilco737 : We've been told 1st quarter 2012... Rumours say Feb/ March... So you are close wilco737
29 na : My next LH 747 flight will be in late January or Feb, so it´ll be the 744 of cause. Are there any rumours which destinations will first get the 748I
30 CX Flyboy : B-LJA due for delivery 11/11/11 with another one for CX on the 18th Nov.
31 N14AZ : Did Boeing say it that way? I find it amazing that they adress "aviation fans" in an announcement.
32 someone83 : When is Cargolux planned to take its 3rd aircraft?
33 Laddie : Yes. That was a direct quote (cut & paste) from the Boeing internal announcement. My source is a Boeing employee. With some good luck, RC503 (L/N
34 Post contains images N14AZ : Thanks for your feedback. So it's not all about shareholder value etc. only.
35 Post contains links 747classic : After the delivery of RC504 and 502 to Cargolux and RC555 to Cathay in October, we will hopefully see a November delivery of : RC574, 575, 576 for Atl
36 Post contains links and images 747classic : RC574/G-GSSD , ordered by Atlas Air and leased to GSS for service with British Airways World Cargo, made two flights yesterday : one functional check
37 Post contains images frigatebird : Too bad. I think it would be a smashing success with the airlines
38 Post contains images Ronaldo747 : A further stretch of the upper deck until 0:14 would looking good but after that i'm not sure. After a complete stretch the shape of the iconic 747 is
39 Laddie : Besides the "branding" issue, there are also aerodynamic issues. The longer stretch on the-8i actually improves the cruise speed of the 747 just a bi
40 Ronaldo747 : Interesting. Thx Laddie for the explanation!
41 na : Too early to tell, but if, only a successor of the 748 could be a quad imho - if Boeing builds such plane as a possible competitor to the A380. But I
42 ER757 : There are limits to how big a twin can be if we assume the 80 meter box at the gate. If/when the time comes for Airbus and/or Boeing to go clean shee
43 United787 : Was RC574 actually delivered yesterday?
44 747classic : No, AFAIK
45 trent900 : Hi all. RC574 is scheduled to arrive at STN on the 4th November (tomorrow) at 07:30 local call sign GSS7478. The arrival time may vary dependant on th
46 Laddie : She (RC574, L/N 1442, G-GSSD) is parked in front of the Everett Delivery Center, so I assume she will be delivered today. She is looking very nice in
47 Post contains links 4holer : ...So what's going on here? http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...A/history/20111103/0019Z/KPAE/KPAE
48 747classic : Post certification flight testing of RC003, probably ETOPS tests.
49 Post contains links and images nra-3b : According To Atlas, they took delivery on 2 Nov.... so, yes. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/atl...-third-quarter-earnings-2011-11-03 Cheers, Bob
50 747classic : Provisional 747-8 Aircraft Production List (November 2-2011) 27 Completed airframes, 5 without engines( *), 3 delivered (+). L/N 1420 - 747-8R7F, RC50
51 4holer : Right. But they seem to have lost track of it. (Not really, I know) Just curious as to where it is.
52 starrion : Why would they be doing ETOPS on a quad?
53 747classic : Since Feb-15-2007 (with a one year transition period) ETOPS is re-defined as ExTendedOperationS and is also valid for passenger carrying aircraft wit
54 Post contains links frequentflykid : What was the purpose of this flight? Was it really 21 hours? http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...0/history/20111102/2100Z/KPAE/KPAE
55 unattendedbag : https://twitter.com/#!/BoeingAirplanes (The 747-8I flies over every state in the lower 48 in 18 hours during extended range testing.) however, they m
56 Post contains images United787 : I think they only missed WV...so they got all the important ones
57 Post contains links CCA : That must be B-LJF going into the paint hangar as B-LJA was done being weighed ? http://paineairport.com/kpae4369.htm [Edited 2011-11-03 21:33:23]
58 VV701 : Has RC556 (B-LJF) been rolled out from the Final Assembly Line then? Thought the only unpainted frame on the Fight Line was RC576 for Atlas Air / BA
59 trent900 : As per my post yesterday; G-GSSD (RC574) arrived into STN on time this morning. Any photos circulating on the web yet? D.
60 Post contains links 747classic : Boeing's press release : http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=13&item=1758 It must have been a very low key delivery, I was unable to find a d
61 Post contains links 747classic : The traditional water salute upon arrival of G-GSSD at STN : http://www.gssair.co.uk/images/gssdwater.jpg
62 Laddie : RC556 rolled out of FAL on 2 Nov.
63 unattendedbag : Better double check Rhode Island as well.
64 Post contains links 747classic : RC551/B-LJA, painted in "Hongkong Trader" livery : the flight-plan for the first flight has been filed for today, see : http://boeing.flightaware.com/
65 Post contains links 747classic : Yesterday's attempt for a B1 flight for RC551/B-LJA was not successful, during the pre-flight checks some issues were discovered. Today (Nov. 05) RC55
66 Laddie : Something must have popped up. The customer (CAT) requested a delay until 14 November for reasons unknown to this reporter.
67 mcg : A few months ago there was a 747-8 flight that oulined '747' when it was displayed in flightaware.com, does anyone know when this flight was and what
68 Post contains links 747classic : N6009F/RC523, call sign BOE523 at Aug. 2 - 2011. See : http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B.../history/20110802/1330ZZ/KPAE/KPAE
69 Post contains links wale03 : There you go,I had the page bookmarked for future reference. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...3/history/20110802/1330Z/KPAE/KPAE
70 mcg : Thanks gents! (presumably, apologies if incorrect)
71 Post contains links 747classic : 747-8 Update Freighter : Flight test - RC521, the only remaining active 747-8F test aircraft has resumed post-certification testing with additional te
72 Post contains links and images astuteman : Can I link this also? Apologies if it's linked "up-thread", but I didn't see it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQIxvyZegs0 LOVE the 748F shape, and B
73 Ronaldo747 : Why no 747-8 at the Dubai Air Show? Is RC008 that packed with post certification test flights?
74 Stitch : Why bother sending it? EK have already formally dismissed the Intercontinental (not that they were ever serious) and rumors have it they will convert
75 RoseFlyer : No they actually didn't. Flightaware glitches show it missing West Virginia, but in reality it did fly over West Virginia.
76 Post contains links tdscanuck : Randy posted a higher fidelity map on his blog that shows they actually hit them all: http://boeingblogs.com/randy/archives/2011/11/ive_been_everywhe
77 Post contains links and images 747classic : The time window for delivery of RC551/B-LJA opens today. First "flight" picture of B-LJA in the A-net data base. View Large View MediumPhoto © Walt
78 Post contains links ual747-600 : B-LJA delivery fight today here: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CPA3337 UAL747-600
79 Post contains images unattendedbag : Show us please.
80 PITingres : See the link in reply 76.
81 unattendedbag : Indeed. The two maps look identical with the exception of West Virginia. Seems odd that a third party site (that can be prone to errors) follows the
82 Laddie : It appears B-LJA did not deliver today as expected. The FlightAware link in #78 used to show an ETD of 1611 PDT, but now the link only shows previous
83 kanban : funny, when I checked it showed the plane over Japan.... having departed around 1:30PM PST
84 Laddie : Are you talking about the flight on 31 October? Paine Field Blog says this: "Cathay Pacific Cargo 747-8F B-LJA was scheduled for a delivery flight to
85 Post contains links Laddie : RC551 has filed another flight plan (or two?) as CPA 3337: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CPA3337 ETD is some time this afternoon. As of this mome
86 kanban : I guess I didn't look at the date.. and assumed that since it was in transit it was the right plane.. I had seen the same flight earlier but it showed
87 Laddie : Folks are boarding B-LJA. Hopefully preparing for a 1:00 delivery flight. B-LJB (RC552, L/N 1428) is doing some taxi tests right now. She is next up o
88 kanban : Laddie Since you must be sitting in the Boeing tower, (well, you have a good view anyway), could we prevail upon you to add and maintain a delivery ma
89 Post contains links Laddie : 747classic is keeping an excellent list of the 747-8's in the factory, on the flight line, and that have been delivered. And I would not be surprised
90 Post contains links and images 747classic : Paine Field T/O picture of delivery flight of RC551/B-LJA "Hong Kong Trader" at November 15. Original uploaded by moonm, for other sizes and more RC55
91 Post contains images wilco737 : Saw it on flightradar24 over Japan... Very nice livery. Any news about the 748i? Within my company I don't hear anything currently about it... No clu
92 Laddie : Boeing has said first deliveries will begin in the first quarter of 2012. In a 10-Q document filed for the company's third quarter results, there was
93 United787 : Exciting to see that 5 have already been delivered...it seems like the backlog should lessen quickly for this program... This list is great...can you
94 Laddie : With some good luck, five or six more 747-8Fs should be delivered this year.
95 Post contains links 747classic : Next 747-8 freighter for Cathay (RC552) performed a B1 flight from Paine Field. See : http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE552 Next update is schedu
96 Post contains images wilco737 : Many thanks for the information. That's what we've been tol as well. First quarter... But that is a long time. I still did nit get the training for th
97 Post contains images N14AZ : ??? 4 months? You must be really keen on flying them.
98 Post contains images wilco737 : I am, I am... I mean there are 400 pilots who need that 3-5 day training. They have to start at some point... But yes,I cannot wai. Such a beautiful b
99 Post contains links 747classic : 747-8(F) delivery pace is increasing : - the third freighter for Cathay, RC552/B-LJB, performed a C1 (customer acceptance) flight. http://www.youtube.
100 Ronaldo747 : Any news about the three rejected Atlas birds, originally destinated to GSS? Hopefully they find their new homes soon.
101 NYC777 : This is a great thread. Looks like Boeing is going to have a better time delivering 747 compared to the 787s this year. They'll be able to deliver 12
102 747classic : According the latest info (at least) 10 747-8 freighters will be delivered in 2011. Five are already delivered : RC502/LX-VCB..........Delivery date :
103 Post contains links 747classic : It seems that the serial number allocation of the Atlas Air aircraft is now totally out of sequence. In the provisional listing we were aware of the f
104 Post contains links CCA : Any ideas??? http://paineairport.com/kpae4443.htm http://paineairport.com/kpae4431.htm[Edited 2011-11-22 02:29:21]
105 Post contains images wilco737 : That looks weird.... Seems to be some sort of sticker, but you can look through it, you can see the BOEING underneath it. But what is it for?! wilco7
106 Post contains links and images CCA : Surprisingly the placement of the stickers lines up with the paint job cheat lines of CX! (Close but not perfect). That should get some tongues waggin
107 Post contains images wilco737 : Yeah, but now. Wouldn't make any sense to me if they put up some transparent stickers on the 748i to see if it fits the CX livery?... wilco737
108 CCA : Was just a stab in the dark at a possible marketing ploy aimed at CX, perhaps being done later or somewhere else, but still very doubtful.
109 Stitch : Boeing's marketing department can gin up a CX 747-8I with no issues so there is no reason to do a physical placement test. I'd also think that if the
110 Post contains images wilco737 : Yeah, thought so. As I said, wouldn't make any sense to me at all. Better contrast, would be easier to spot for sure. wilco737
111 RoseFlyer : Material like that is added to the fuselage when they test skin deflection and the pitot static system. The material is in line with the pitot static
112 mustang304 : Why would they modify the entire length of an aircraft for skin deflection and Pitot static system? I've never heard of that before. Water Splash tes
113 Stitch : Maybe to make it large enough so it is visible to chase aircraft?
114 mustang304 : The pitot tubes are in line with the lower white - you can clearly see them. The static ports on the 747-8 are located on the lower left, below the wa
115 Post contains links and images 747classic : According Drewski2112 the decals (protecting the paint ?) have someting to do with flight testing. The aircraft will be modified in the next few days
116 Post contains links NYC777 : Well it looks like CP is getting another 748F http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CPA3337 Which one is being delivered today?
117 Post contains images Ronaldo747 : Should be B-LJB (RC552). Glad that 747 deliveries are going on now, at least.
118 Laddie : RC552 is being delivered today, after spending yesterday in a paint hangar getting her paint job refurbished.
119 Laddie : RC522 update: last-minute squawks being worked. Flight plan timed out. Now there is a departing LCF parked right in front of RC522. No ETD for RC522 a
120 Post contains links CCA : RC522 has just departed. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CPA3337
121 Post contains links 747classic : RC552 departure data : http://boeing-test-flights.blogspot....-867f-cathay-pacific-cargo_23.html
122 CX Flyboy : B-LJB has just landed in HKG, making CX the largest operator of the 747-8F.
123 Post contains links 747classic : Boeing has held an 747-8 employee appreciation event, with the Steve Miller band and "Jet Airliner". The event was staged at building 40-23, next righ
124 bikerthai : Was Steve Miller the "special artist" scheduled for the first delivery (prior to the whole thing being postponed)? bikerthai
125 johnclipper : B-LJA just took off for SYD from HKG. I noticed the strobe lights on the wingtips flash completely different from any other aircraft I have seen at ni
126 Post contains images wilco737 : Looks like a B748i is coming to FRA next week for a couple days. I heard around December 6th... Get your cameras ready. wilco737
127 Post contains links and images 747classic : The 747-8F route network is spreading. First 747-8F landing "down under" in Sydney. B-LJA, Nov. 27- 2011, SYD/YSSY Original uploaded by Jaryd A S, for
128 Laddie : Judging by the extensive acreage of the decals applied to the 747-8F, I guess Boeing is checking the effect the decals will have on the communication
129 328JET : Yes, DABYE is looking around...
130 Laddie : I meant 787-8 Intercontinental, of course. I wish I had caught that typo before the time limit to edit a post expired.
131 Post contains images wilco737 : Yes. D-ABYE will be in FRA 6th to 8th December... first 748-intercontinental in FRA. I guess I won't be the only one heading out to see it... wilco737
132 RobK : You need to take the first three with a pinch of salt now as those frames are now unassigned. The likelihood is that those msns will be re-assigned t
133 RobK : 8XX is wrong for both of these. In fact I have to say that much of your post #102 contains dubious information, particularly the later l/n and allocat
134 RobK : According to my sources, RC004 is for destined for His Royal Highness Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal Bin Abdulaziz Alsaud, more commonly known in aviation
135 747classic : RobK, thanks for updating the provisonal 747-8 production list with the missing data of L/N 1446 and 1449, the airframes RC004 and 005. It's always di
136 RobK : With all due respect I find that very hard to believe when the allocations have changed numerous times in that time period. I purposely do not disclo
137 747classic : Can you name one change in the 747-8 firing order that we had to rectify up to now? Until the last (L/N 1447) emerged aircraft from the FAL NO faulty
138 Post contains images RobK : I'm not sure if you're being serious here or on a wind-up? The l/n allocations have been shuffled several times, not to mention the Atlas re-allocati
139 kanban : firing orders change monthly... and occasionally sooner... The problem is they are fluid so what you see today may not be true tomorrow.. instead of t
140 RobK : @ kanban, that's basically what I've been saying. The trouble is that when you do that you get bombarded with emails from whiners wanting to know comp
141 Post contains links 747classic : I don't want to be dragged into a yes or no game and I certainly don't want to be accused of : deliberately omitting info. I started the 747-8 listin
142 Dan23 : RobK, maybe there has been some confusion with what 747classic posted? I interpret this as 'over the last two years the info received has been accurat
143 kanban : yes some people have too much time on their hands.. and don't understand the intricacies of manufacturing scheduling in a fluid market where customer
144 Laddie : She is on schedule for a delivery this week. Note to spotters: the airplane is scheduled for some photo shoots the following week, then departing KPA
145 328JET : Can someone confirm the rumours that the first LH delivery is delayed by two month?
146 Post contains images wilco737 : Where have you heard that rumour? What is the new date then? I read that a total of 5 will join the fleet in 2012. wilco737
147 328JET : From somebody who knows somebody...
148 Post contains images wilco737 : Ah, the reliable source then I haven't heard anything at all... No news here. wilco737
149 Stitch : Is this a new delay beyond the one Boeing recently announced for the first 747 VIP (which, by extension, could kick back LH's first bird)?
150 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Seems that the first flight of the LH bird will be taking her from Seattle to Frankfurt for airport trials arriving at FRA on December 6. I am sure wi
151 Post contains images wilco737 : Check reply #131... It is posted there already. wilco737
152 Post contains images wilco737 : I can confirm a small delay, but not 2 months. First airplane to be delivered in March 2012, enter service in April. Next expected in June, then one
153 Post contains links 747classic : A not identified, unpainted 747-8F is spotted at the LH side of this KPAE flight line photo of November 29 at Matt Cawby 's Paine Field Blog. Probably
154 Ronaldo747 : No, RC021 (later D-ABYE), the second Boeing test frame with only basic LH c/s will fly into FRA. Beside that, where is D-ABYA? It seems she is disapp
155 Laddie : She is parked in the factory building next to the 747-8 final assembly line at the moment. She should re-emerge early in the new year.
156 Laddie : I assume you mean the one parked in front of the paint hangar? It is indeed LN1448 for AirBridgeCargo. Destined for delivery early next year.
157 Post contains links 747classic : RC556/B-LJF, the next for Cathay, just departed from Paine Field towards Moses Lake (KMWH) for her first (B1) flight. See : http://boeing.flightaware.
158 Laddie : The link now shows the return flight to KPAE. It looks like she did a touch & go at KMWH, then headed right back to KPAE. RC556 should be handed
159 Post contains images RobK : The BBJ isn't happening this month now either. Only 748s happening this month are the 2x BA and the CX, dely dates still as shown.
160 Stitch : Aye. Boeing recently announced that delivery of A7-HJA would be pushed back to early 2012.
161 United787 : Isn't this aircraft a BBJ for former president George W. Bush?
162 Post contains images wilco737 : Which one do you mean? The D-ABYA? It is for LH... or do I misunderstand you somehow :S wilco737
163 Post contains images Stitch : Within the United States, President Bush was often referred to with the nickname "dubya" (a form of pronouncing the letter "W") and D-ABYA is similar
164 Post contains images wilco737 : THanks for that explanation. Never heard that expression. Thanks for clarification wilco737
165 RoseFlyer : Unfortunately it is the airplane in basic LH colors with no titles and won't be the first plane delivered to Lufthansa, so the pictures won't show he
166 Post contains images wilco737 : Yeah. A shame they don't send the full LH colours one to FRA. But at least it is coming around. And if I have time I will head to FRA and take a look
167 Post contains images RoseFlyer : It's definitely worth going inside, especially to see Lufthansa's new fully flat business class seats if for nothing else and how ridiculously huge t
168 Post contains images wilco737 : I'd love to. But currently only 50 people will be allowed in and I applied, but didn't hear back yet. So I guess I wasn't one of the 50... I need to
169 na : Actually I´m happy its not in full colours, as that is somethinng that we´ll see a lot from next springtime onwards! Yeah, and someone just commiss
170 Post contains images wilco737 : True. Haven't seen it from that point. Well, join the club. So we both have to do something to get in there Sooner or later we get the chance as well
171 Post contains links Laddie : Boeing PR news about the 747-8i flight to Frankfort this week (http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2055): FRANKFURT, Germany, Dec. 5,
172 na : Sounds like it´ll land in darkness tomorrow then. Sad, I was thinking of going to the airport tomorrow, but if its past 4 pm its useless.
173 Post contains links and images wilco737 : http://de.flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE21 here you can check her out. She is expected to land at 4:46pm... So already dark. Why couldn't they let it
174 Post contains links 747classic : The third aircraft for Atlas Air (Leased GSS/BA World cargo), RC576 made her first (B1) flight. See : http://boeing-test-flights.blogspot....47-87uf-b
175 na : Very unconvenient. They took off in the dark at night (11 pm) and are landing in darkness. Who planned that? Does LH want to hide it?
176 Post contains images wilco737 : No clue... Doubt it. They cannot really hide it as it will be towed around the airport all day long. wilco737
177 jet-lagged : Last Saturday I took the Boeing tour. From the visitor building roof I counted approximately 45 airplanes parked outside the assembly and paint buildi
178 Post contains images MadameConcorde : In Frankfurt! Airline: Boeing Co (For Lufthansa) Aircraft: Boeing 747-830 (B748) Reg: N6067U Hex: A7E0E9 Altitude: 875 ft (267 m) Speed: 129 kt (239
179 RoseFlyer : Looks like it was timed around the shifts at Boeing. 11pm is just at the end of 2nd shift, so it is a logical departure time as they probably were wo
180 Post contains links redrooster3 : Released statement from Boeing: http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2055
181 Post contains images wilco737 : Roseflyer, makes sense with it, but shame anyway. I didn't get the chance to visit it from inside, wasn't lucky enough. But soon I will be flying her.
182 Post contains links 747classic : 747-8 Flight test update : Besides the trip of RC021 towards FRA for the pre-service testing by Lufthansa, the first 747-8 test aircraft RC001 is enga
183 holzmann : Lufthansa has posted three pics of the 747-8i in Frankfurt through their Facebook feed.
184 Post contains images 747classic : RC021/D-ABYE inside a DLH-hangar at FRA. Copyright Deutsche Lufthansa A.G.
185 Laddie : The #7 747-8F (G-GSSE) was delivered on December 5. The customer wants to leave it at Paine Field for about 10 days. She should leave on her delivery
186 Post contains links 747classic : RC021/D-ABYE is heading back to Boeing Field after a stop-over of a few days at EDDF/FRA. See for exact timing : http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BO
187 Post contains links 747classic : The first picture of L/N 1448 - 747-8HVF, RC 602, serial number 37581, AirBridgeCargo Airlines (ABC) #2, registration VQ-BLQ, in full airline livery a
188 Post contains links Laddie : RC521 is on its way to Yakutsk, Russia, for cold weather testing. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE521 RC556 (B-LJF, LN 1447) for CX is scheduled
189 mattcawby : It was about to be towed to the south gate for engine start at 4:30, looks like it is still on the ground though.
190 Laddie : She was delivered and took off for HKG at 7:09 PST. And that makes eight 747-8Fs delivered.
191 Post contains links Laddie : RC576 is currently conducting its C-2 (second customer flight). http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE576 Delivery is scheduled for Wednesday (14 Dece
192 Laddie : RC021 (D-ABYE) is back at KPAE for eventual refurb and delivery to DLH. RC001 should be wrapping up her flight and ground tests soon, and joining RC02
193 Post contains images wilco737 : We got the information from Boeing that we get it in late March, not sooner. Does the refurb take that long or are there still some issues? wilco737
194 Laddie : Boeing 747-8 Intercontinental Receives FAA Certification! Here's the press release hot off the wire: Boeing's newest passenger airplane on track for d
195 NYC777 : Damned! Beat me to it. WEll I think we'll start seeing deliveries late January for the BBJ and the LH's first one in March.
196 Post contains images ER757 : Congrats to my friends at Boeing who worked long and hard to get to this day. You know who you are.....
197 Laddie : 3 to 4 months sounds about right to refurb the aircraft.
198 ordcargo : When is Cargolux getting more planes? I spoke with a CV Captain couple weeks ago, he told me CV don't want them right now because they think a recessi
199 Post contains images wilco737 : Alright thanks. Good news. Finally. wilco737
200 747classic : Is the first 747-8I delivered to DLH in March 2012 not RC022/D-ABYA? AFAIK the refurbishment to delivery standard of the "real test-wired" 747-8F tes
201 Post contains images wilco737 : Yes, I mixed them up. -YE is the test aircaft which will be our 5th airplane and -YA the first. wilco737
202 Laddie : We will have to wait and see. The folks in San Antonio who worked on the 747-8 refurb might be put to work on the 787-8. There is at least two years
203 Laddie : RC576 (G-GSSF) for Atlas/BA World Cargo delivered on 15 December. The delivery flight will be in about six days. This was the ninth and last 747-8F de
204 na : Thanks for the update. The 748F in BA colours looks stunning. A beautiful little fleet.
205 Laddie : Clarification: the original plan was to refurb all the flight test aircraft at KSKF, and the production aircraft at KPAE. With the 787-8 refurb now g
206 Post contains links Laddie : RC521 is making her back from Yakutsk to KPAE via Anchorage: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE521 And it looks like RC503 flew a test hop out of
207 Post contains links Ronaldo747 : It seems that RC503 make her way back to Everett now http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE503
208 Post contains links NYC777 : Looks like a delivery flight for another 747-8F though I'm not sure which one. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BAW8307
209 Laddie : Atlas/British Airways World Cargo G-GSSE (L/N 1444, RC575) leaving the nest.[Edited 2011-12-19 10:31:41]
210 NYC777 : Has G-GSSF also left or has it yet to fly away? I know it was formally delivered I believe.
211 Laddie : 11:30 AM PST: G-GSSE is taxiing to the active runway. 11:45 AM PST: G-GSSE departed KPAE. Sierra Foxtrot is still at KPAE. She should depart KPAE for
212 Post contains links NYC777 : RC602 is scheduled to make its B1 flight later today. This is the first airplane for ABC. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE602
213 Post contains links Laddie : The #1 747-8i (La Grande Orange) is also in the skies over Washington. She is making one of her last test flights today: http://flightaware.com/live/f
214 Laddie : And away she goes! I just saw her fly overhead.
215 Post contains links 747classic : Here is the video of the B1 flight of RC602, the second assembled Air BridgeCargo freighter, but earmarked as the first to be delivered : http://www.
216 Laddie : RC001 is back at KPAE for her refurbishment.[Edited 2011-12-22 14:57:03]
217 Laddie : Unless he is busy doing some last-minute Christmas shopping, then I suspect Matt Cawby will soon have a video and/or photo of the event up on his KPA
218 747classic : The 747-8 program in 2011. Now the winter vacation of the Boeing Factory has started and only a skeleton workforce will remain active to upgrade a few
219 Post contains links Laddie : It looks like G-GSSF will make her delivery flight to BA World Cargo today: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BAW8307
220 Post contains links cosmofly : Painting Lufthansa's 747-8i http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmxbZpSXNvI
221 747classic : As promised the last "Provisional 747-8 fleet listing of 2011. Many minor corrections and/or additions are implemented, only one major change in the F
222 Post contains images RobK : And happy 2012 to you too.[Edited 2011-12-31 09:37:47]
223 MD95 : :As promised the last "Provisional 747-8 fleet listing of 2011.[/quote] 747 classic: thank you very much for your update. This is very nice way to cl
224 Post contains links 747classic : Sooner as expected Cathay Pacific Cargo has decided that the last 2 747-8F aircraft (scheduled to be assembled with L/N1460 and 1464) will be deliver
225 kmz : Hi Peter, thanks for the summary. Do you know if there will be a D-ABYB as you have not listed it for the first 5 Lufthansa a/c? Thanks Cheers kmz
226 na : No D-ABYB, as that would bring back bad memories. It was the registration of the first-ever crashed 747 (Nairobi 1974). LH is a bit superstitious it
227 kmz : thanx for the iinput...i should have checked that first...
228 Post contains links Laddie : It looks like the first 747-8F for KAL (RC541) made her first flight yesterday (4 January). A quick hop to KMWH: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BO
229 frigatebird : It's a bad luck number in Italy, I believe...
230 NYC777 : Ok so looking at the table above, as of this 1/5/2012 there are: 12 - 747-8F yet to be delivered and out on the KPAE flightline 6 - 747-8I yet to be d
231 pnwtraveler : Everyone is watching carefully the cargo markets particularly in Europe and trying to determine how long the economic chill is going to last and wheth
232 na : The worst thing to bring on a economic crisis is to sit and watch and postpone investments. Stupid. Is that so? I never knew. Anything about the conf
233 RobK : I can't be 100% certain, but I think that was N6067E and an SBS report would seem to confirm. The KAL was due to fly yesterday but I believe it's bee
234 Stitch : It was not firmed in 2011.
235 4holer : Heckuva post, sir! Kinda sums up the program as of today.
236 Laddie : Thanks for the correction. I didn't see the KAL airplane in its usual spot on the flight line (SE corner), so I came to the conclusion that it was th
237 Post contains links 747classic : The next 747-8I/BBJ (the first in 2012) emerged from the Everett Final Assembly Line : L/N 1449 - 747-8KB , RC005, serial number 37075, BBJ customer Q
238 sunrisevalley : Not sure if this is the correct thread, but Boeing issued revised ACAPS in December for the 747-8i and F. They are showing an OEW of 213.188t for the
239 Stitch : MTOW for the 747-8F and 748-8 has risen from 975,000 to 987,000. MZFW is up 9,000 pounds and range at MZFW looks to have shrunk by about 500nm. At th
240 Post contains links tdscanuck : They did: http://www.boeing.com/Features/2010/08/bca_one_million_08_23_10.html Tom.
241 Stitch : I need to revise my comment a bit. I didn't notice that Boeing had raised Maximum Structural Payload by 5t (from 77t to 82t). That puts it within abo
242 starrion : So there are 21 frames built. If we exclude the three NTU, is there any reason that the other 18 won't all deliver (green or no) this year? In additio
243 Post contains images ER757 : Indeed - it would be even better if the pending 748-i orders get confirmed and a new customer or two join the club
244 Post contains links Laddie : RC541 has finally started her first flight. This I know for certain because I just watched her takeoff and climb into the blue Everett skies. http://f
245 RobK : Guggenheim has no involvement with this now (I presume that's what NTU signifies - not taken up). The order transferred to KAL and it's now an 8B5F.
246 Laddie : Customer requested a delivery slide of the first KAL 747-8F (RC541) to February 6. That means only one delivery is scheduled for January (RC602 to Ai
247 RobK : When did that happen? Source?
248 Laddie : Information announced 9 January according to company sources. So the slide was requested even before KAL's shortened first flight.
249 Post contains links Laddie : Here's hoping the second time is the charm. RC541 just took off on its second inaugural flight: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE541
250 Post contains images RobK : Yes, can see the updated info now on the fresh documents - HL7609 Feb 6 LX-VCC Feb 16 B-LJG Feb 27
251 Post contains links SA7700 : This thread will be locked for housekeeping purposes as it has become quite long and slow to load for some users. Feel free to join the continuation t
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