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WSJ On Pan Am Reunion, Former F/As  
User currently offlinewashingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3505 times:

The Wall Street Journal had a nice little profile of former Pan Am glamour (it requires a subscription to read it). Does anyone know anything about the two former Pan Am/current Delta F/A mentioned in the article?:

Carmen Ongay, who started working for Pan Am in 1962 and learned tricks like fluffing scrambled eggs with soda water for coach passengers, put off a scholarship offer to the London School of Economics after college in Puerto Rico to take an offer from Pan Am. She thought it might be fun to be a flight attendant for six months, but once she got a taste, she couldn't give it up. She's been a flight attendant for 50 years, now flying for Delta Air Lines.

To Jackie Knackstedt, who started as a Pan Am stewardess on the Boeing 707 in 1973 and currently works as a Delta flight attendant, the end of Pan Am meant younger passengers and airline workers will never know what travel once was or could be.

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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 15648 posts, RR: 100
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3404 times:

Links (requires subscription) (there are two articles):



I have a problem with the tone of the articles. If one misses the 'Golden Age' of air travel... Fly on a business jet or first class on an airline that has a true first class product (in other words, not cheap). The reality is that airlines are today's discount product for Y. The people who used to fly Y are now up in J. Those that flew first class now are on a chartered jet or a premium 1st class product.

In many ways, for the passenger, air travel is better than ever. I can get onto a plane and be where 95%+ of the world's population resides within 24 to 30 hours with only one or two connections (at most, my home airport is LAX). We now have non-stop flights to SIN, DXB, and other far flung destinations. Heck, Australia to London is no longer a heroic multi-day journey.

I love the Pan Am show (guilty pleasure...). But I'd rather have today's connectivity. I do pine for the days of 'elbow room' in the terminal. But I do not miss the old coach seats.    I do pine for the days when reading was an activity (instead of somthing to be interupted); but I accept that if I turn on the IFE and pretend to be listening, I'll be left to read. (I've posted before how rare it is to sit next to an interesting passenger today...).

I do like how the show is bringing attention back to high end air travel. I suspect it will sell J class seats to the silver set.   Pan Am was exciting; it just didn't adapt. But it lives on in UA's TPAC and DL's TATL operations. (Did AA take over their MIA operations? I assume so, but since it wasn't exactly a sale...)


"They did not know it was impossible, so they did it!" - Mark Twain
User currently offlinepsa188 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 650 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3325 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 1):
Pan Am was exciting; it just didn't adapt.

Part of that was due to the government's refusal to allow PA to fly domestically for years. Then PA overcompensated for overpaying for NA.

User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 7451 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3240 times:

No, AA did not take over MIA ops, UA did. AA got Eastern's.

I feel woozy....what did you put in that Pudding Pop?
User currently offlinethegoldenargosy From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 542 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3214 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 1):
Did AA take over their MIA operations? I assume so, but since it wasn't exactly a sale...

UA actually bought PA's MIA hub.

User currently offlineRogerThat From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 566 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2868 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 1):
(Did AA take over their MIA operations
Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 3):
No, AA did not take over MIA ops, UA did. AA got Eastern's.

AA bought Eastern's Latin American routes in 1990

EA got the routes from Braniff just before BN's 1982 shutdown

BN got the routes from PANAGRA in the mid/late 1960's

Since the Pan Am/Grace joint venture originated the routes in the 1930's, you could say AA got (some of) Pan Am's Latin American routes.

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