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SAS 747s- Economy Class On Upper Deck?  
User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6491 posts, RR: 55
Posted (2 years 8 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 8358 times:

Hi !

SAS had economy class on some its 747s but which specific aircraft had it ? Did all of them have it towards the end ? I flew on a SAS 747 in July 1986 and sat on the upper deck in economy class.

Thanks for any info!

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User currently offlineYukon880 From United States of America, joined Sep 2011, 137 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7315 times:
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During the summer of 1984 I crossed the Atlantic twice aboard the Dan Viking,
N4501Q and the upper deck was economy class seating.

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User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6491 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 6919 times:

Quoting Yukon880 (Reply 1):

During the summer of 1984 I crossed the Atlantic twice aboard the Dan Viking,
N4501Q and the upper deck was economy class seating.

Thank You

I also flew on a SK 747 in Jun 1982 but not sure which one. Probably either SE-DFZ or N4501Q. My parents have a slide of it in Stockholm and I'll try to look at it when I get there to see what engines there are to determine which one it was.

Still hoping for more replies regarding when Y was installed on the upper deck and on which aircraft.

Thaniks

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User currently offlineConcordski From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6771 times:

Can't say that it's too rare for economy on the upper deck. Air Pacific and Air France have some 747s like this. I know I've even seen some airlines that have the front half of the upper deck as business and the back half as economy. Can't remember which airline though I recall seeing it on seatguru not too long ago.

User currently offlineFlyboyOz From Australia, joined Nov 2000, 1985 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6745 times:

Quoting Concordski (Reply 3):
I know I've even seen some airlines that have the front half of the upper deck as business and the back half as economy.

It's Air New Zealand...later change to premium economy

Ansett Australia's B743s and B744s both had economy class in the upper deck.

Eva Air's B744 still has it too.

Japan Airlines and ANA used to have it on the B744D. (D - domestic/short haul flight)

[Edited 2011-10-30 00:14:49]


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User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8539 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6743 times:
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Quoting Concordski (Reply 3):
I know I've even seen some airlines that have the front half of the upper deck as business and the back half as economy. Can't remember which airline though I recall seeing it on seatguru not too long ago.

NZ has the front half as J and the back half as premium economy.



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User currently offlinedeconz From New Zealand, joined Nov 2010, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6715 times:

Quoting Concordski (Reply 3):
Can't say that it's too rare for economy on the upper deck. Air Pacific and Air France have some 747s like this.

so did SAA


User currently offlineBY738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2259 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6398 times:

Did BA not also at one point?

User currently offlinejetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 6243 times:

Qantas had it on some 747-200 configurations


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User currently offlinetymnbalewne From Bermuda, joined Mar 2005, 944 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 6157 times:

Quoting BY738 (Reply 7):
Did BA not also at one point?

Yes. They had those convertible seats. They could be 3x3 economy class or 2x2 SuperClub (or was it Elizabethan at that time?)



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User currently offlinedarkroast From Canada, joined Jan 2011, 41 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5977 times:

I've been on AF's economy seat on the upper deck and it's really not very comfortable. The curvature of the fuselage ensures the seats are further way from the Window and that makes it harder to sleep. The cabin itself also feels very small. The only advantage is a nice view of the wing/powerplants from up there.

User currently offlinebristolflyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 2290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5944 times:

BA had some 747s with economy on the upper deck too...in the late 80s I flew HKG-LHR and we sat in economy on the upper deck.


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User currently offlinelonghauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4911 posts, RR: 43
Reply 12, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5860 times:

AC too had Y on the upper deck of several of their B747s.

The B747-100s had 16Y with only one exit, then 25Y with two exits. The B747-200, which always had two exits, had 25Y in the upper deck. When the B747-400 was initially delivered, the upper deck was all Y, with F, J and Y on the main deck as well.



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User currently offlineEBGflyer From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 997 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5827 times:

EVA Air has economy on the top deck. Still has. Flew them last year from LAX til TPE. Had a row of 3 seats to myself. As I am really tall I could extend my feet and rest them on the little windows compartment. It was awesome.


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24796 posts, RR: 22
Reply 14, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5461 times:

Quoting darkroast (Reply 10):
I've been on AF's economy seat on the upper deck and it's really not very comfortable. The curvature of the fuselage ensures the seats are further way from the Window and that makes it harder to sleep. The cabin itself also feels very small. The only advantage is a nice view of the wing/powerplants from up there.

I disagree. The upper deck on AF 744s is the best Y class product I've encountered. The upper deck seats also have 34 inch seat pitch, 3 inches more than on the main deck so it's very comfortable and much more private without a lot of traffic in the aisle. With two dedicated flight attendants serving those passengers, service is also very good. Until AF began installing PTVs on the main deck, the upper deck was also the only Y class cabin on AF 744s with PTVs. It's generally restricted to elite level frequent flyer members now.


User currently offline777MAS From Malaysia, joined Sep 2003, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5400 times:

I guess being upstairs on the 747, it would have that (narrow) "tube" feeling. So maybe that's why certain airlines didn't want their C class upstairs.

Come to think of it, when you're cruising up there at 30,000 feet, what difference is there to being upstairs versus downstairs?


User currently offlinemadviking From Canada, joined Jul 2003, 193 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5230 times:

Quoting The777Man (Thread starter):

SAS had economy class on some its 747s but which specific aircraft had it ? Did all of them have it towards the end ? I flew on a SAS 747 in July 1986 and sat on the upper deck in economy class.



According to a 1981 company time table, OY-KHA and SE-DDL during that time had 12 Eco seats on the upper deck's starboard side (seats HJK) and a mini lounge on the port side with 7 seats (four facing each other 2X2 and three more perpendicular. The above two Jumbos were the first two 100s.

LN-RNA, SE-DFZ, N4501Q and N4502R had 32 Y on top. These newer 200s were combi with adjustable 6 or 12 pallet versions.

Quoting 777MAS (Reply 15):
Come to think of it, when you're cruising up there at 30,000 feet, what difference is there to being upstairs versus downstairs?



It's a little bit more private being in the Penthouse versus the main deck!


User currently offlineJMM99 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5208 times:

Quoting FlyboyOz (Reply 4):
Ansett Australia's B743s and B744s both had economy class in the upper deck.
AN 744's (owned by SQ) became FJ 744's not long after SEP11 & still have 69 Y class upstairs.

https://content.engage.co.nz/Organizations/AirPacific/sm_Assets/AP%20-%20Site_Files/Boeing747-400%28x2%29.pdf

On NAN/LAX sector (approx 10 hours at night) they offer, exclusive use of 3 seats upstairs as an upgrade for only only FJD$600 or about AUD$320-a poor mans business class.

[Edited 2011-10-30 21:34:00]

User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6491 posts, RR: 55
Reply 18, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5139 times:

Quoting madviking (Reply 16):
LN-RNA, SE-DFZ, N4501Q and N4502R had 32 Y on top. These newer 200s were combi with adjustable 6 or 12 pallet versions.

Thanks for the info! Howver I don't think N4502R was a combi. I think SK only had two combis; LN-RNA and N4501Q.

Thanks

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User currently offline747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2084 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5021 times:

Quoting The777Man (Reply 18):
Thanks for the info! Howver I don't think N4502R was a combi. I think SK only had two combis; LN-RNA and N4501Q.

AFAIK SAS received three 747-283B combi's,

L/N 311, MSN 21381, 747-283B(M), basic number R1544, variable number RD591, SAS reg. LN-RNA
L/N 358, MSN 21575, 747-283B(M), basic number R1561, variable number RD592, SAS reg. SE-DFZ
L/N 500, MSN 22381, 747-283B(M), basic number R1582, variable number RD593, SAS reg. N4501Q

And 3 full pax 747-283B aircraft :

L/N 114, MSN 20120, 747-283B, basic number R1004, variable number RA701, SAS reg. SE-DDL
L/N 167, MSN 20121, 747-283B, basic number R1030, variable number RA702, SAS reg. OY-KHA
L/N 540, MSN 22496, 747-283B, basic number R1170, variable number RE001, SAS reg. N4502R

[Edited 2011-10-31 00:59:55]


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User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7382 posts, RR: 17
Reply 20, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4721 times:

Quoting BY738 (Reply 7):
Did BA not also at one point?

My recollection is that when I flew M (World Traveller Economy) Class LHR-JFK on BA 741 G-AWNF in March 1990 I was seated on the upper deck.

I also have a BA Summer 1993 Timetable. It states that there were then 26 744 aircraft in the BA fleet (which would have been G-BNLA to 'LZ and G-CIVA) all of which were configured with 57 M (Economy) Class seats on the upper deck. The cabin configuration of these aircraft was F18 / J74 / M285 for a total of 377 passenger seats.

The same timetable says that some - it neither identifies which or how many - of the BA 741s had 20 J Class upper deck seats but that others had 30 M Class seats up the stairs. Similarly some of their 742s were confifured with 18 J Class upper deck seats while other 742s had 27 upper deck M Class seats. (The difference between the configuration of the M Class upper decks of the 741s and 742s was the result of additional storeage facilities replacing the three seats in Row 56 - the front row on the upper deck - on the left side of the 742s.) At that time (March 1993) BA operated 15 741s and 17 742s.


User currently offline1stfl94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 1455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4538 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 20):
My recollection is that when I flew M (World Traveller Economy) Class LHR-JFK on BA 741 G-AWNF in March 1990 I was seated on the upper deck.

I also have a BA Summer 1993 Timetable. It states that there were then 26 744 aircraft in the BA fleet (which would have been G-BNLA to 'LZ and G-CIVA) all of which were configured with 57 M (Economy) Class seats on the upper deck. The cabin configuration of these aircraft was F18 / J74 / M285 for a total of 377 passenger seats.

The same timetable says that some - it neither identifies which or how many - of the BA 741s had 20 J Class upper deck seats but that others had 30 M Class seats up the stairs. Similarly some of their 742s were confifured with 18 J Class upper deck seats while other 742s had 27 upper deck M Class seats. (The difference between the configuration of the M Class upper decks of the 741s and 742s was the result of additional storeage facilities replacing the three seats in Row 56 - the front row on the upper deck - on the left side of the 742s.) At that time (March 1993) BA operated 15 741s and 17 742s.

BA swapped these layouts around when they launched the Club World Cradle seats in 1995/1996. The 744s moved Club Upstairs and World Traveller all on main deck, while the Classics had all their Club on the main deck and additional World Traveller upstairs. Additionally, there were a few two class 742s which also had World Traveller upstairs I think.

Virgin also has 33 economy seats upstairs on the LHR configured 747-400s, which means if your sat in them you get off before the Upper Class passengers in the rows in front!


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7382 posts, RR: 17
Reply 22, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4220 times:

Quoting 1stfl94 (Reply 21):
Additionally, there were a few two class 742s which also had World Traveller upstairs I think.

I thought all the BA's 742s were configured with three classes both before and after the installation of the Club World bucket seats.

After the installation of the bucket seats I think that the standard BA 742 configuration was for up to 370 or 373 passengers (F18 / J70 / M282 or M285), but that four (?) aircraft (G-BDXD, 'XE, 'XF and 'XG?) had Economy seats on the upper deck and were configured for up to 425 passengers (F18 / J37 / M370).

I also believe that there was a single BA 742 (G-BDXI?) at that time configured for only 344 passengers (F18 / J88 / M256) while all their 744s only had 55 J Class bucket seats. Can anyone confirm this and whether it was primarily dedicated to a specific route (LHR-JFK?).


User currently offlinelhr380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4142 times:

Quoting 777MAS (Reply 15):
I guess being upstairs on the 747, it would have that (narrow) "tube" feeling. So maybe that's why certain airlines didn't want their C class upstairs.

Not at all. I prefer Upper Deck if im flying in J class. Its the only way to fly. It feels like your on a private jet, with only a few other people around you. You forget there is 200 odd people in the cabin below you unless you pop down the stairs for a wonder or to get stuff from the Club World Kitchen.


User currently offlineCitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2420 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4099 times:

I flew a Swiss Air 743 that had 69 Y seats on the upper deck.


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25 Post contains links and images ZSOFN : I enjoyed that experience last year... View Large View MediumPhoto © Tom Collins ...although I found a lot of rather annoyed upper class pax getting
26 Viscount724 : When Swissair introduced business class (which didn't exist when the 743s first went into service) the upper deck became business class.
27 C680 : So Economy Class is on the Upper Deck, but Upper Class is on the Lower Deck? In that case, Who's on FIrst? - nevermind - Who's on Second....
28 richcandy : Hi I flew LHR-BOS on a BA 747-100 or maybe 200 in 1993. I was travelling in economy and seated on the upper deck. The configuration was 3-3 but the mi
29 Post contains images MarcoPoloWorld : But why would you want to be alone like that? The joy of flying - and traveling in general - is to see (if not interact, then at least watch) other p
30 FoxBravo : Totally agree. To me, 64K in Club World is the best seat in the sky! Plenty of time for that at the airport and at my destination. Once I'm on the pl
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