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Central American Aviation Thread. Part 44  
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4385 posts, RR: 4
Posted (2 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 11319 times:



THE CENTRAL AMERICAN AVIATION THREAD
PART XLIV

"Tribute to Air Panama"

Air Panama International was founded in 1968 as a venture between the government of Panama and IBERIA who held the 33% of the stake. When IB pulled out approximately ten years later, the airline became fully state-owned.
The airline was obviously based at PTY and operated till 1989, being the main Panamanian airline in those days.
Destinations: Guatemala City, Chicago, Montreal, Los Angeles, New York JFK, Miami, Mexico City, Caracas, Bogota, Quito, Guayaquil, Lima.








The thread is ready for discussions and comments.


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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2120 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 11272 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Thread starter):
Destinations: Guatemala City, Chicago, Montreal, Los Angeles, New York JFK, Miami, Mexico City, Caracas, Bogota, Quito, Guayaquil, Lima.

Equipment limitations aside, I wonder if there was any money to be made flying to the Caribbean back then.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4385 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 11200 times:

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 1):
if there was any money to be made flying to the Caribbean back then.


It's interesting how the [Panama City - the Caribbean] market wasn't attended by Air Panama International in those days.
More than 20 years ago, COPA discovered that untapped market flying to to Havana, Santo Domingo, San Juan, Port au Prince, Kingston and Montego Bay. Today, the [Panama - the Caribbean] sector is by far larger as compared to other Latin American stations: Bogota, Mexico City, San Jose, Lima, Santiago, Sao Paulo and so on.

Regards.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6037 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 11183 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 2):
More than 20 years ago, COPA discovered that untapped market flying to to Havana, Santo Domingo, San Juan, Port au Prince, Kingston and Montego Bay. Today, the [Panama - the Caribbean] sector is by far larger as compared to other Latin American stations: Bogota, Mexico City, San Jose, Lima, Santiago, Sao Paulo and so on.

But the Caribbean market esp the DR was nowhere even close to what it is now.



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2120 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 11003 times:

Earlier today the Cámara Nacional de Turismo expressed concern over 3Q2011 figures showing a 3.9% decrease in foreign visitors arriving by air to Costa Rica when compared to the same period last year.


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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4385 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 10959 times:

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 4):
figures showing a 3.9% decrease in foreign visitors arriving by air to Costa Rica when compared to the same period last year.

I hopefully believe that these numbers will soar once the expansion in Liberia would be completed in November.




.
TACA and Sky Airlines from Chile begins code-share service:

TACA operated by Sky Airline:
Antofagasta - Lima
Santiago de Chile - Antofagasta
Santiago de Chile - Calama
Santiago de Chile - Concepcion
Santiago de Chile - El Salvador
Santiago de Chile - Iquique
Santiago de Chile - Temuco


Sky Airline Operated by TACA:
Lima - Cuzco
Lima - Santiago de Chile
Lima - Tarapoto
Lima - Trujillo

Effective: November 01st


Regards.



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2120 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 10789 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 5):
I hopefully believe that these numbers will soar once the expansion in Liberia would be completed in November

Just yesterday the departure tax was raised to US$28 so that the Chinchilla administration (which knows no limits in its fiscal voracity yet remains cash–strapped) can purchase and operate new customs and phytosanitary imaging equipment for Santamaría and Liberia airports.. the best part is it was done by executive decree, through a loophole (legal gymnastics involving Hacienda and the Servicio Fitosanitario del Estado) allowing the US$2 surcharge to be levied without legislative approval.



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User currently offlinecopa330200 From Panama, joined Jan 2011, 202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 10679 times:

http://www.prensa.com/impreso/muelle-norte-en-la-recta-final/36993

new PTY terminal seems to be almost ready and looking to get in operations by December.

the article says that the new terminal will be able to manage 747 and A380 ... but they didn't say if the rest of the airport is able to manage those birds   



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User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 634 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 10661 times:

What's "terminal sur" going to look like? How many gates is it going to have? Why is the construction taking place so soon?


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User currently offlineCM767 From Panama, joined Dec 2004, 651 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 10551 times:

"Terminal South" is a new concourse for PTY, nothing has been defined yet, some people mention 12 and others 20 new gates.


Here is a video. that shows a preliminary render of the new concourse:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18djcsQS4B0&feature=player_embedded#!

I heard that even with the new 12 gates that will be ready by December of this year, the terminal will operate at capacity, CM has plans to add about 20 to 30 new destinations in 5 years. that added to O/D passenger growth for PTY has forced a speedup on plans for terminal expansion, the government has plans to open a tender by the end of this year for the new concourse, not sure why, on some newspapers is been reported that is a new terminal, I believe that will be a new concourse on the existing terminal, at least that makes more sense.



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User currently offlineAA767LOVER From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2007, 592 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 10532 times:
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Well, having flown through PTY many times, it looks like a whole new terminal to me altogether.
Airlines like Westjet (charters), Spirit, Delta, and AA can still use the old terminal while COPA and UA move to the new one along with Avianca/Taca - new Star Alliance partners. PTY will become Star Alliance's premier hub since SAL cannot measure up with its current facilities as TACA's hub. BOG is also undergoing major facelift. It'll be great to see what it looks like. The old way of arriving at El Dorado for non-Avianca flights was a royal pain. I had to clear customs for a TACA flight back in 2006, and re-check into another TACA flight. But the plus was being able to go to shopping zone and buy Colombian coffee and eat arepas!



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2120 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10313 times:

LIR is set to open its new US$41M state-of-the-art passenger terminal next week (17NOV) complete with thirty check-in counters, better security equipment and more retail space.




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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2120 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 10295 times:

And coincidentally, bomberos will be on hand to welcome jetBlue's inaugural flight (1691) at 13:48 local.  


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User currently onlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6568 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 10273 times:
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Quoting viaggiare (Reply 11):
state-of-the-art passenger terminal

For my own information, what makes a terminal "State of the Art"?



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2120 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 10249 times:

Quoting mt99 (Reply 13):
what makes a terminal "State of the Art"?

One key characteristic would be integrating high–performance building attributes, such as energy efficiency, durability, life–cycle performance, occupant comfort and productivity, etc.



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Reply 15, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 10213 times:
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Quoting viaggiare (Reply 14):

One key characteristic would be integrating high–performance building attributes, such as energy efficiency, durability, life–cycle performance, occupant comfort and productivity, etc.

And what does that mean in concrete terms? It sounds like value judgement more than anything else  

Sorry - been in meeting with lawyers all day.. i am becoming like them..



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4385 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 10180 times:

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 12):
bomberos will be on hand to welcome jetBlue's inaugural flight (1691) at 13:48 local.


American Airlines is also taking advantage of the new facilities increasing the MIA-LIR sector up to 13x weekly.

New frequencies at LIR:

November 12: AB DUS-CUN-LIR, 332. Every two weeks.
November 17: B6 JFK-LIR 4x weekly. NEW
November 17: AA MIA-LIR 9x to 13x weekly
January 07: DL MSP-LIR 1x weekly. NEW
January 07: US CLT-LIR; 1x to 2x weekly.
January 13: SY MSP-LIR; 1x weekly. NEW

I still haven't read any recent word related to the planned service of Blue Panorama in Liberia.

Regards.



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2120 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 10172 times:

Quoting mt99 (Reply 15):
And what does that mean in concrete terms?

I suggest you look up high–performance building design in your spare time..



Quoting mt99 (Reply 15):
It sounds like value judgement more than anything else

Most of the attributes I mentioned (energy efficiency, durability and life–cycle performance) are fully quantifiable, meaning appropriate metrics and benchmarks do exist. And for those two that seem innately subjective (comfort and productivity) you could still create minimum and high performance standards by calculating occupant safety, which can be achieved in no small part by making the most of natural lighting and supplying higher indoor air quality.

[Edited 2011-11-07 16:16:58]


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Reply 18, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 10147 times:
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Quoting viaggiare (Reply 17):
energy efficiency, durability and life–cycle performance) are fully quantifiable, meaning appropriate metrics and benchmarks do exist

Right.. so quantify for us how energy efficient will be the new airport, benchmarked again other similar airports. Is it LEED certified?

The fact that benchmark exists, does not mean that the benchmarks are being met, and at what level benchmark do you obtain: "State of the Art"

If there is a rating that got between 1-10 (1 being the highest), does rating 1 mean "State of the Art", does 2? does 3? where is the cut-off?

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 17):
you could still create minimum


Well, sure, you could.. - so you are saying that there are currently no standards to define these? How do you assume that it "State of the Art" of there are no currently defined standards?



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2562 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 10127 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Thread starter):
Destinations: Guatemala City, Chicago, Montreal, Los Angeles, New York JFK, Miami, Mexico City, Caracas, Bogota, Quito, Guayaquil, Lima.

As I remember, Air Panama flew to GUA because its DC9 couldn't make it non-stop from MEX to PTY. When they got B727-100, GUA was dropped and CM made it the final destination of its 1700h milk run PTY-SJO-SAL-GUA.
Looks like ORD and YMX were never served by Air Panama. Air Panama schedules map used to show a PTY-HAV-YMX route that seems was never operated.
LAX was served as a MEX tag-on but loads weren't good. I believe the Mexicans granted Air Panama traffc rights between MEX and LAX.
JFK was served via MIA, but some ex-Air Panama pilots have told me that there were few times when JFK was flown non-stop.
Air Panama never flew to UIO. GYE was stop enroute to LIM, but LIM did have some non-stop flights too.
Towards Air Panama final days, HAV was served from PTY but MIA was dropped (and flown by CM B737-200).

Quoting copa330200 (Reply 7):
new PTY terminal seems to be almost ready and looking to get in operations by December

Hope somebody thinks of moving the airport administration to the cargo area and free that space for 2-3 badly needed extra jet-ways for the North concourse.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4385 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 10100 times:

Speaking about the former Air Panama, wasn't just my imagination or the airline once operated the DC-10 painted in the full color-scheme?




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Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 19):
CM made it the final destination of its 1700h milk run PTY-SJO-SAL-GUA


PTY-SJO-MGA-SAL-GUA during the Electra era and first stage of their orange Boeing 737s.




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Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 19):
JFK was served via MIA, but some ex-Air Panama pilots have told me that there were few times when JFK was flown non-stop


I remember an old TV interview with Roberto Duran speaking about that legendary flight on Air Panama once he won a boxing match in New York City.
Perhaps Air Panama was the pioneer serving the [Panama City-New York City] sector back in the 70s.

Regards.



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2120 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 10077 times:

Quoting mt99 (Reply 18):


Honestly, that was like a 2 or 3 on a trolling scale of 10. Not even amusing.   



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Reply 22, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 10054 times:
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Quoting viaggiare (Reply 21):
Honestly, that was like a 2 or 3 on a trolling scale of 10. Not even amusing.  

"State of the Art" trolling? Ha..

(Sorry had a long day)  
Just pointing out that "state of the art" terminal really means nothing..

"state of the art" is really a non-sensical expression.

[Edited 2011-11-07 21:26:04]


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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2120 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 9964 times:

Quoting mt99 (Reply 22):
"state of the art" terminal really means nothing.. "state of the art" is really a non-sensical expression

In the context it was used, that expression successfully conveys the notion that a structure is not only sleek but also cutting–edge, as it incorporates the newest and most up–to–date features. Unless the reader happens to be too finicky or fastidious with language, that is.



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Reply 24, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 9939 times:
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Quoting viaggiare (Reply 23):
successfully convey

Thats up for debate really..

But - in any case, it does look like a very nice airport and definitely (in my opinion) one of the better looking and modern ones in the region. A great addition, and a source of rightful pride to Costa Rica.



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25 Post contains images viaggiare : Isn't everything? Glad you see it that way.
26 Post contains links viaggiare : Two pieces of promising news.. National Geographic Traveler magazine recently named Guatemala one of its Best of the World 2012 destinations.. and eff
27 juanchito : Let's hope more airlines but I can see more Charter flights. Juanchito
28 yellowtail : Momentum is building again....PM service to FRS from BZE has started to grow again nicely.....36 pax today (3X208s)...all tourists.....
29 aer : Really nice, that's great for the local industry really.
30 SJOtoLIR : Nature Air won the "Global vision award for sustainable Eco Travel" in their November 2011 issue. "Nearly eight years after being recognized as the fi
31 juanchito : Really nice I recently few Guatemala-Flores-Belice City-Placencia and backwards. Algo Tag to Flores was 1 flight with the Saab340 and 4 flights with
32 Post contains links viaggiare : Saw this one coming several years ago.. a story in prensa.com titled Panamá se acerca a Costa Rica presents statistics indicating that between 2006 a
33 Post contains images yellowtail : Technically one of the E110s is wetleased to PM for that flight. With loads building, methinks PM is soon going to have to get their own twin engine
34 2travel2know2 : Costarican authorities may expect 2.2. million visitors but if CM and the Panama Tourist sector are successful in enticing more and CM in-transit pas
35 viaggiare : We have a new arrival at Liberia later today.. AB7422 DUS0945 – 1405CUN1520 – 1720LIR 332 6 (twice monthly) AB7423 LIR1850 – 2045CUN2230 – 151
36 Post contains links 2travel2know2 : DAV airport promotion website A group of business people from Chiriqui province has put together a website dedicated to promote service into the new i
37 Post contains links and images viaggiare : Further down it talks about going from San Juan, Costa Rica (SJO) to Albrook (PAC) to David (DAV) Although I was most thrown off by this statement..
38 2travel2know2 : And be named COPA REGIONAL?. While I may visualize CM flying again to DAV - if that Air Panama deal is true - from both PAC (domestic) and PTY (hub c
39 viaggiare : As with all rumors and purported leaks, this is best taken with a grain of salt.. especially considering the source is an amateurish and hastily-put-
40 SJOtoLIR : The regional division from Copa Airlines derived from the purchase of Air Panama makes some sense to me. Thus, the domestic and international service
41 Post contains images viaggiare : And let me guess.. the answer was nowhere else.. if so then I fully agree with you.
42 2travel2know2 : MGA. Remember Nicaraguans need transit visas to travel between Nicaragua and Panama by land. If CM was to operate PTY-DAV-MGA with E190, even if not
43 Post contains images viaggiare : So the deportee express by Copa Airlines?
44 SJOtoLIR : I doubt if this group really represents a profitable venture for CM. The [DAV-SJO] O&D market is being attended by 50-seater turbo-prop planes an
45 2travel2know2 : the deportees mention was just sort of side-note. However, DAV catchment area could probably hold a current demand for 150+ weekly air passengers to/
46 Post contains images viaggiare : Yeah.. for Tracopa and TicaBus! lots of VFR traffic during Easter and Christmas/New Years holiday season, but folks holding an unrestricted airline t
47 Post contains images viaggiare : Nope.. the cartel ain't that smart.
48 Post contains links yellowtail : Today....PM announced service to TWH (Orange Walk) in Belize. http://www.ambergristoday.com/conten...dro-orange-walk-flights-tropic-air That brings th
49 Post contains images viaggiare : All their domestic traffic currently goes through TZA or is there limited point–to–point service? How far apart are the municipal and internation
50 yellowtail : Hardly....lots of p to p. BZE-SPR alone is about 50% of the traffic. Both airports are served independently. Pax are generally not shuffled. People w
51 viaggiare : Is it prone to flooding in extreme weather? Excellent.
52 Post contains images yellowtail : HAlf of Belize is flood prone in extreme weather. Seriously...I think TZA (As it currently stands) was closed maybe half a day last year with very hi
53 viaggiare : How important is SPR in terms of their domestic network operations?
54 SHAQ : I'm not sure if DAV could support a DAV-MGA flight year round. But I'm more optimistic if we talk about DAV-MIA. There are a lot of retired Americans
55 CM767 : In that case, would not make more sense a DAV-IAH flight ?, CO/UA would offer connections to the rest of North America, who would offer connections f
56 Post contains images SJOtoLIR : Add the shortage of advertising in Costa Rica. Few people here knows about the Air Panama service. . I see an interesting point here. TACA has always
57 2travel2know2 : IMHO, Daily, most likely no, thrice weekly nowadays, probably yes. Currently I could even bet that there are several weeks every year DAV could easil
58 SJOtoLIR : David may sustain very limited flights to some US stations, in terms of weekly operations. For example, CO IAH-RTB is now 3x weekly, DL ATL-RTB is 1x
59 viaggiare : CM agreed early on in their relationship with CO to stay clear of IAH and EWR. Bottom line is CM has three options.. PTY–DAV–MIA or PTY–DAV–F
60 Post contains images yellowtail : Very important to both MW and PM....somewhere in the neighborhood (for both carriers) of 50 % of the market is between BZE-SPR and 70% of the market
61 2travel2know2 : DAV-IAH leave it to CO. CM PTY.-DAV-MIA could offer some UA (and other Star Alliance airlines) connections @ MIA. Not the best scenario but there is
62 Post contains links 2travel2know2 : Condor to add an extra frequency to PTY From www.prensa.com - in Spanish Panama Tourist Authority deputy director said that during the London Travel M
63 viaggiare : So where are they transiting to?
64 2travel2know2 : It'd have to be to any of CM destinations nearby. Doubt a passenger flying Condor to PTY would do so to connect to LAX, MEX, BUE, SAO, RIO..
65 viaggiare : Or embarking on Caribbean–bound cruise ships out of Colón perhaps?
66 SJOtoLIR : CM PTY-MIA is 28x weekly nowadays and FLL seems to be a feasible destination for their 2018 expansion plans. Avianca flies both [BOG-MIA] and [BOG-FL
67 2travel2know2 : CM DAV-MIA could happen sooner than 2018, perhaps there could be even charters next year.
68 SCL767 : CM will increase frequency on the PTY-MIA route to 32x weekly from mid-December through February. IMO, CM will definitely operate PTY-MIA at least 6x
69 AA767LOVER : I could envision David being developed further - more for charters from the US. Spirit is the best candidate from FLL to develop this route for a Sat,
70 AA767LOVER : 2018?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Are you nuts? Why think that far ahead? 2012-2014 is a very good possibility with 2014 being most likely for a PTY-TPA route or
71 2travel2know2 : If there enough pressure from the cruise lines @ Port Everglades, CM could fly to FLL sooner. 3-4 flights per week could make things much much easier
72 SCL767 : A PTY-FLL E90 service would also offer superior connections to certain Latin American destinations via PTY, unlike AV's BOG-FLL service. It would als
73 Post contains links SJOtoLIR : I regularly checked SJO's website related to the arrivals/departures part and quite often found the status of TACA REGIONAL [SJO-PAC] on AT4 as "cance
74 2travel2know2 : This year there were 8 new destinations and 1 re-started destination (MBJ). Most likely 2012, if the trend continues like that, CM could add another
75 Post contains links SJOtoLIR : jetBlue inaugurated the [New York JFK - Liberia] sector on November 17th ! B6 1691..............JFK 09:32...............LIR 13:48..............Tu, Th,
76 Post contains links viaggiare : It depends on the market.. SJO also gets an early afternoon flight (NK755 arrives 12:35 – NK756 departs 13:30) daily in addition to the red eye (NK
77 2travel2know2 : It could have been 30 years ago last time CM flew to DAV.
78 Post contains images yellowtail : pic courtesy (so please don't reproduce without permission) of Cessna Corporation of Tropic Air's new 208's ready for delivery to BZE. These are the a
79 viaggiare : Sweet.. trying to remember if there's ever been a passenger carrier of any size operating scheduled service in CentAm aside from CM and TA acquiring
80 Post contains links viaggiare : When out in the blistering sun down here in Guanacaste this is what we drink when for some reason a cold beer is not available. fair use excerpt.. Re
81 Post contains images yellowtail : This are PMs 4th and 5th.....5 more on order.... another pic of the aircraft....thanks Jb at Cessna for allowing me to post the pic!
82 viaggiare : Just curious as to what the usual route for deliveries out of CEA is.. and my guess is either BRO or BPT are involved.[Edited 2011-11-18 18:09:04]
83 yellowtail : One plane today came Wichita-Houston (HOU)-Veracruz-BZE Second plane tomorrow comes Wichita-Houston (HOU)-Brownsville-BZE They overnight at HOU to br
84 SJOtoLIR : Air Canada will operate a weekly flight linking Montreal and Liberia: AC 1908.........YUL 09:55............LIR 14:40..............Mo AC 1909.........L
85 MGASJO : Wow! Great looking birds! Given their short routes no need on getting the APE III that allows C208B to carry 300 pounds more. They fly to GUA but the
86 Post contains links viaggiare : Looks like there will be enough room in MPRH to park about seven narrow–body airliners on the tarmac and transfer some 1,400 guests at a time by bus
87 2travel2know2 : MPRH Rio Hato Scarlet Martínez Aerodrome terminal is said to only be able to handle 300 passengers at a time. Departure waiting area will only have
88 yellowtail : Yes, they have the APE 111 due to the air conditioning weight. Also provides a margin of performance that they are loving right since SPR runway is u
89 viaggiare : So what? LIR started out as an open–air warehouse con techo de zinc corrugado and cooled by an enormous fan whose main effect was to stir the grass
90 2travel2know2 : What works for Costa Rica doesn't mean it'll work for Panama. Buenaventura, Decameron, Bijao, Casamar and other nearby resorts owners (definitely Bue
91 viaggiare : That's funny you would say that, because one country has learned quite a bit from the other about implementing a successful ecotourism strategy that
92 2travel2know2 : We're talking about aviation here. A zinc-roofed hut w/giant fan like the original LIR airport terminal won't work for Rio Hato, specially if Rio Hat
93 viaggiare : Tourism and aviation are inextricably linked and often viewed as interdependent segments of a single industry. Why not? Should MPRH in itself be some
94 Post contains images SJOtoLIR : From my own collection: Regards.
95 Post contains links viaggiare : From another thread.. the US$117.8M net profit reported by AV so far this year, in contrast with the US$70.5M net profit reported by AviancaTaca, lead
96 aer : Interesting, what could the reason for the loss be?
97 SJOtoLIR : American Airlines resumed the JFK-SJO 7x weekly seasonal-service since November 17th. The 738 is operating in such route. AA JFK-SJO flew as 5x weekly
98 yellowtail : CM is hammering in C. America you know. yields are down....most monopoly routes are now under some form of attack. If not from CM from other bit play
99 2travel2know2 : Not enough. Don't see CM flying PTY-LIR, MGA-TGU/SAP and GUA-TGU/SAP yet; and those routes really don't have TA strong lobby against CM as anything t
100 2travel2know2 : According to Panama's president Twitter account (!), CM is to get 21 extra frequencies to Brazil and 3 new destinations. For a fact, none of CM's B737
101 aer : Well they did once, but didn't have the correct a/c since they flew GUA-SAP using a 737.
102 viaggiare : Some more feather–ruffling speculation from that same thread about "an increase in NK flying to Colombia in 2012... 2 more daily FLL–BOG plus serv
103 Post contains images yellowtail : Well...eff Mar 1 you will be able to do SAP-GUA on PM......same flt # SAP-BZE-FRS-GUA if you really want an interesting flight...should be nice prici
104 juanchito : Well I was told that TAG will be getting two used Saab340 to replace two Emb110. Juanchito
105 Post contains links SJOtoLIR : I cannot understand how might TAG hurt TACA mainline significantly at this time? . Very low demand even for an E90. This market is for regional plane
106 Post contains images viaggiare : Revenue doesn't always mean profit.. profit is essentially revenue minus expenses/costs incurred.
107 yellowtail : It is a route by route thing. If you have TAG hurting them on FRS-GUA, then another on SAP-TGU etc etc..the effect is cumulative.
108 Post contains links 2travel2know2 : DAV and ONX works delayed by rain from www.prensa.com - in Spanish Frequent rainstorms have delayed the works on DAV and ONX airports, Panama Civil Av
109 Post contains links viaggiare : Just came across an op–ed in today's local sensationalist tabloid Diario Extra about the latest plans for an eco–friendly Aeropuerto Internacional
110 aer : Tikal Jets comes to mind Is the outlook really that bleak?
111 mt99 : You are asking Viaggare? He has his all his fingers, toes and eyes crossed. It would be his dream come true.[Edited 2011-11-22 13:19:35]
112 Post contains images viaggiare : I barely scratched the surface.. they are obviously still losing money, we just don't know exactly how much.. under mounting outside pressure to reno
113 mt99 : That's the best you can do? You disappoint me.. Talk about how the sacrifice puppies and how the scam little old ladies for their pennies. You can do
114 Post contains images SJOtoLIR : I've found this photo where the bus on TUASA [San Jose - Alajuela] is featuring the Air Panama paint-scheme as shown: . Point taken. Anyways, based o
115 SCL767 : This month, TACA has reduced frequency on several international routes from LIM including LIM-ASU, LIM-CCS, LIM-HAV, LIM-MEX, etc. Also, TACA has sus
116 viaggiare : Sure can but don't wanna be too rough on señor Kriete.. that would be hacer leña del árbol caído you know.. Ouch! things apparently not turning o
117 2travel2know2 : IMHO, AV/TA will end up doing a reduction of its LIM operation. Taking a guess, the routes (all daily otherwise noted) that seems to remain and other
118 SCL767 : TACA Perú should have launched new domestic routes with-in Perú years ago. Most tend to forget that LIM also serves as a domestic hub for Peruvians
119 SJOtoLIR : Not true. TACA has not reduced their frequencies in Paraguay: TA LIM-ASU-LIM 3x weekly + TA LIM-ASU-MVD-LIM 2x weekly + TA LIM-MVD-ASU-LIM 2x weekly.
120 viaggiare : Talk about being under attack from all sides!
121 SCL767 : TACA currently operates the LIM-ASU sector 3x weekly. Also, has UA dropped its code-share with TACA on the LIM-SCL route? TACA technically already de
122 Post contains links viaggiare : According to a story in a Panamanian newspaper, loads on Iberia's MAD–PTY–MAD 4x weekly flights have increased by 44% (highest growth rate in thei
123 RCS763AV : Will everybody calm down! These reductions are temporary and some are related to the closure of LIM's runway at night time. The schedule will be back
124 RCS763AV : AviancaTaca is indeed expanding in Colombia (not only BOG) because it is the time to do so before competition increases with VivaColombia. But that d
125 SCL767 : AV did not drive Aires into near bankruptcy. Aires did it to themselves by ditching their traditional model which was profitable and launching intern
126 mt99 : Don't say that!. Viaggare is already setting up the parade in San Jose. He already bought a new outfit for the party, and i hear that his order of co
127 Post contains images aer : Lufthansa Panama (because Lufthansa Italia was a good venture? So this is round... lost count.
128 2travel2know2 : Just look what dropping the GUA stop from MAD did to the loads! Regional operations centre? Quite odd if LH would set up a regional operations centre
129 Post contains images viaggiare : Although the Paseo Colón should make for an appropriate setting, I don't live in San José. Your spelling skills are a bit weak for such a well–tr
130 Post contains images viaggiare : Obviously the actual costume would have all the scrapes and bruises to make it look even more realistic..
131 Post contains images mt99 : Mi dispiace, caro amico... I really don't have ANY information on its health, or un-health I just find it funny that you take it so personal. Hahah..
132 yellowtail : Very funny. I.e ticket office and service in a few years. Also means if there is a *A bust up between TA and CM, CM would probably be in the drivers
133 RCS763AV : Aires were nearly driven by themselves to bankruptcy but Avianca was able to effectively compete with them by offering lower fares with a lot more pe
134 2travel2know2 : No doubt both LIM and BOG handle many, many more passengers than PTY, but lets not forget that PTY domestic traffic is hardly in the hundreds because
135 viaggiare : I agree.. AV/TA should forgo Star membership but apparently el ego del señor Kriete is getting in the way.
136 mt99 : This means that they shouldn't! You would never wish any good on TACA, so this leads me to believe that want them to forgo Star because its not good
137 RCS763AV : Not really, after all those domestic passengers are also a market that international airlines want to feed on. Well no not really, while it might be
138 Post contains images viaggiare : I wouldn't normally.. but at least two other people here openly agree with me on this one. That's a good question and perhaps RCS763AV who's got the
139 Post contains links RCS763AV : Again, I quote myself: On other news, TACA expects to have over 11% of the peruvian domestic market by year's end, this is very good news: http://www
140 SJOtoLIR : Once again, TA has been operating throughout the year in Paraguay based on the same schedule allocation: three dedicated non-stop flights named LIM-A
141 SCL767 : No, look at TACA's schedule on the route now and look at the schedule next month. That will clarify it for you. Also, the daily service to JUL will r
142 viaggiare : I would say it has more to do with how circumstances have changed and reverting a previous decision accordingly.. when Kriete began the application/l
143 SJOtoLIR : The new destination of TACA Airlines is: Puerto Maldonado, Peru ! TA 100.........CUZ 12:35..........PEM 13:30.............Daily TA 101.........PEM 14:
144 Post contains images viaggiare : Hey business is business and Germans are said to be cold–hearted.. perhaps they're on to something.
145 SCL767 : LP will add additional frequencies between CUZ and PEM next month. In February, when the runway at LIM reopens between 1:00AM and 7:00AM, more freque
146 RCS763AV : Yes, that too, but it's not like management in BOG was persuaded only by Mr. Kriete's personal opinion that they should join star, after all, Avianca
147 Post contains links SCL767 : LATAM will choose an alliance after the combination is completed next year; most likely by the end of March. LAN, TAM weigh alliance choice, eye Mide
148 mt99 : He did... And i guess that your original assumption of purely an ego things is being challenged. And Salvadorans are not cold-hearted enough? The Vic
149 aer : Is it because that TA per se (not AV/TA, just TA) isn't public they're not obligated to release financial info?
150 Post contains links and images mt99 : They are one company now right? Unless their filings separate both entities there is no way to know how each individual unit is doing. That why i am
151 2travel2know2 : Currently 3 European airlines fly scheduled to PTY: KL, IB and DE Condor. It was rumoured the Panama Tourist Authority was trying to convince AY to m
152 RCS763AV : No, you're getting it wrong. The reuters article is Avianca's result on their own, as they are obligated to report it to the Superintendencia Financi
153 Post contains images mt99 : Got it, however it an assumption regardless... Anywho, so you are saying that AV turned around to the tune of 405M Pesos in 1 year? At least its doin
154 Post contains links and images viaggiare : Everyone here manages different levels of information. I have no idea.. is using the Norwegian flag instead of your own a sign of cold–heartedness?
155 RCS763AV : I'n not saying it, their financial results are. It was indeed a very impressive turnaround. It has to be taken into account that AV took several non
156 2travel2know2 : Yes, Kriete was referring to that. Sure we're not talking about El Salvador here, but didn't TA/LR had enough lobby-muscle in Costa Rica to get thing
157 Post contains links 2travel2know2 : Brazil gives Panama new frequencies From www.prensa.com - In Spanish Panama negotiated 21 additional CM frequencies to Brazil, Panama Civil Aviation A
158 SJOtoLIR : The hypothesis that we discussed before might not be valid at this time, given the opening of a new destination in Peru assumed by TACA as well as th
159 RCS763AV : TA's latest peruvian expansion is going to be bigger than we thought, The flights to JUL will be restarted but this time with an A320. The morning and
160 SJOtoLIR : I don't think there are many arguments to decide whether the optimal choice would be CM PTY-REC or CM PTY-FOR. Delta Air Lines flew in the past the A
161 SHAQ : I can see a good future for REC, SSA , and CWB Gol has good presence in both stations, so 4 flights a week to start seems good. Curitiba has a boomin
162 2travel2know2 : For once, I'd have guess REC catchment area if bigger than FOR but FOR is no small city either, it one of Brazil biggest. Also FOR is popular as Euro
163 SJOtoLIR : The mentioned commercial frequencies between Brazil and Panama are currently regulated by a bilateral agreement concluded between the two countries an
164 2travel2know2 : And I won't bet AV/TA is eager to fly SJO-GRU anytime soon.
165 Post contains links and images mt99 : So, its within the realm of possibilities that TACA's alleged loss this year may have include similar non-operational charges? Obvously. Thank goodne
166 yellowtail : Not to bust anyone's bubble but the chances of QR starting SAL flights or TA starting DOH flights is a bout NIL!
167 Post contains links 2travel2know2 : CM President Pedro Heilbron receives honours from Panama Foreign ministry From Panama Foreign Affairs website - in Spanish The Panamanian government t
168 Post contains images mt99 : [quote=yellowtail,reply=166]Not to bust anyone's bubble but the chances of QR starting SAL flights or TA starting DOH flights is a bout NIL![/qoute] J
169 2travel2know2 : It'll happen, can't say when, don't have a clue when or which route, but it'll happen soon. Some people working hard to bring EK to PTY. It might be
170 SJOtoLIR : I even hold my point based on accurate sources. In December, TA LIM-ASU-LIM 3x weekly + TA LIM-MVD-ASU-LIM 2x weekly + TA LIM-ASU-MVD-LIM 2x weekly w
171 yellowtail : a 319 cannot make it SJO-GRU without a penalty....a small one...but a penalty nonetheless
172 2travel2know2 : Too lazy to check right now, but how about SJO-GRU on A318 then?
173 yellowtail : I should think that would be worse unless you are talking about a biz class layout a la BA. I remember the TA people telling me that the 319 could ta
174 SJOtoLIR : The technical characteristics in terms of range are even better on the 319 version. Nevertheless, the 318 is not within TACA plans nor SJO-GRU due to
175 2travel2know2 : My question had more to do in terms of the A318 vs B737-600 and A320 vs B737-800 comparison; since both the B737-600 and B737-800 kind of have the sa
176 SJOtoLIR : Lima is the focus of TACA's flights to deep South America, including Brazil: GRU, GIG, BSB and POA. Avianca on its own flies BOG-GRU 14x weekly, bein
177 SJOtoLIR : TACA will soon expand the Cali-Guayaquil-Lima service from 4x to 5x flights per week. New flight on Sundays: TA 138........LIM 10:40.......... 12:55 G
178 Post contains images viaggiare : Impressive.. loads must be soaring.
179 SJOtoLIR : One additional frequency per week certainly doesn't mean so much, but TACA is now the sole operator on the [Guayaquil - Cali] sector. The equation [A
180 2travel2know2 : Perfect if those lights already are AV codeshare.
181 Post contains images SJOtoLIR : AeroGal operates LIM-UIO-MDE 7x weekly. TACA operates UIO-MDE 6x weekly. TACA operates LIM-GYE-CLO 4x weekly; 5x weekly soon. AeroGal operates LIM-GY
182 Post contains links and images viaggiare : Beautiful shot below.. great looking bird and imposing Antioquia topography backdrop.. also notice the little Colombian flags.. wouldn't it be cool to
183 2travel2know2 : Since GUA is so desperately looking for a major tenant... who knows? SJO really doesn't have the room and the Tico commitment to TA/LR would make it
184 SCL767 : Of course LAN will operate routes from Colombia and LIM to PTY. Why would LAN need a new terminal at PTY for up to 8 daily flights operating into PTY
185 SJOtoLIR : The advantage of CM is that the airline is already attracting most of this flow of passengers through PTY, while LATAM has to develop all this comple
186 2travel2know2 : I'm referring if LAN wants to set up a LAN airline in PTY, not if LATAM wants to fly to PTY from its hubs and focus airports. And thanks for usual LA
187 SCL767 : Flow patterns can change overtime. PTY is not the only hub in Latin America that can offer multiple daily connections and LATAM will respond to CM's
188 2travel2know2 : How could the discussion about LA setting up an airline in Central America turn into CM bashing and tedious LA expansion press releases?
189 mt99 : Oh man- what? don't tell me you cant handle some mild CM bashing. You haven't seen how much love TA gets here?
190 2travel2know2 : Yes, of course, specially if bashing comes within the subject discussed. CM isn't a saint either. But it looks plain insane when LA is somewhat menti
191 viaggiare : No such commitment exists anymore.. cartel remnants exert little leverage on government policy these days.. what's more, the country has been activel
192 SJOtoLIR : Welcome to the high season ! Here's the comprehensive list for the new flights and frequencies in Central America and their own airlines for the next
193 Post contains links 2travel2know2 : CM Top 3 Most influential airline social media US based Klout blog named CM as the 3rd most influential airline in terms of outstanding personalized a
194 SJOtoLIR : TACA has completed its fleet of 11 E90 aircrafts. The last plane had been received on October 26th and is registered as N989TA. Neither TACA nor Copa
195 2travel2know2 : Wonder why neither airline has ordered more E jets. I for sure would like to see an E175 in CM livery. It could work for some very thin but profitabl
196 Post contains links 2travel2know2 : Domestic traffic up 6% 1st semester 2011 from www.prensa.com - in Spanish. Panamanian domestic air-traffic was up 6% 1st half of this year over last y
197 SJOtoLIR : During the orange livery days, CM served Jamaica as the triangular route PTY-KIN-MBJ-PTY. . Since July 2011, TACA REGIONAL is operating PAC-BOC-PTY-P
198 Post contains images mt99 : Hmm. you mean the world famous, world renowned Klout? No freakin' way!
199 2travel2know2 : Well, it was my 1st time I visited that blog and seems to me it was quite U.S.-centric.
200 viaggiare : As for cartel remnants, the new head honchos in Bogotá once stated that "la flota de Embraers operados por TACA podría ser reemplazada si el E–19
201 Post contains links SJOtoLIR : The current thread has once again reached the 200 mark. Please, continue on the next edition: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 45 (by SJOtoLIR D
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